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Stewart Mandel : Big East is Wide Open
The wide open Big East, a Jimmy Clausen forecast and much more


We're now into the fifth month of the Great Rich Rodriguez-West Virginia Spitting Contest, with the two sides reaching the "discovery period" of the school's lawsuit to collect a $4 million buyout from its former coach.

One day, hopefully sooner than later, the conflict will resolve itself the same way nearly all civil cases resolve themselves: In an out-of-court settlement. Rodriguez will pay a significant but reduced amount of the original buyout, and at last, the good folks of West Virginia can go back to concentrating on football. Unfortunately, that might not prove to be any more comforting.

Stewart, why is everybody ignoring the Mountaineers again this year? If you look at their record over the past three years (not to mention the dismantling of the beloved Sooners in the Fiesta Bowl) they have one of the highest winning percentages in the nation. How long can you ignore that they are on their way to being a national title contender year in and year out?
-- Jared, Morgantown, W.Va.

Jared: Did you miss the news that the Mountaineers' coach left for Michigan and took nearly the whole staff with him? I can't imagine that you did seeing as it's been written about in the papers there nearly every single day for five months. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but West Virginia's run as a national power is likely down to its last days.

Sure, other successful programs have survived the loss of their architect just fine. Miami kept winning national titles long after Howard Schnellenberger put the Hurricanes on the map, starting with Jimmy Johnson. It took two tries, but Florida eventually found a worthy heir (Urban Meyer) to the legacy left by Steve Spurrier. And Les Miles has obviously kept the ball rolling at LSU since Nick Saban bolted.

But notice, all those schools went out and hired an experienced, sought-after head coach. West Virginia hired Bill Stewart. He seems like a good enough fellow, and he did lead the Mountaineers to that big win over Oklahoma (though with Rodriguez's now-departed offensive coordinator, Calvin Magee, calling the plays), but the chances of him maintaining the program's recent level of success are about as high as leaving a party at Lindsay Lohan's place with your fur coat in tact.

As I wrote at the time, Stewart's hiring was a foolishly impulsive decision made by an already suspect set of West Virginia administrators still high off the emotional Fiesta Bowl win just hours earlier. They took a now-nationally prominent program and put it in the hands of a guy whose only head coaching experience was a three-year, 8-25 stint at VMI that ended in his resignation over the use of a racial slur; and a guy who, of the nine assistants on West Virginia's staff, was the only one Rodriguez did not feel compelled to offer a job at Michigan. (As a result, the only remaining holdovers from Rodriguez's regime are Stewart and defensive coordinator Jeff Casteel.)

I'm sorry to say it, but this is not going to end well. Which brings us to this subject. ...

Do you think Pitt has a chance to knock West Virginia out as the Big East champs this year? I see LeSean "Shady" McCoy having a huge year now that there may be an offense around him. Last year, teams were lining up eight and nine guys in the box because there was no passing game and he still ran for 1,300+ yards and 14 TDs.
-- Pete Spence, Elizabeth, Pa.

Here's where we get into an ever-dicey subject, which is, what is the definition of a preseason poll? Most people seem to treat them as "predictions" -- i.e., this is what the final poll will look like come Jan. 8. Personally, I treat my preseason poll as a "starting point," based on how the teams finished last season and who they have coming back. What happens from there is up to them.

With that in mind, West Virginia is the highest-ranked Big East team in my preseason poll because, quite simply, the Mountaineers deserve it. They've won 11 games for three straight seasons and they return the most explosive quarterback-tailback tandem in the country in Pat White and Noel Devine. They lost too many other key players, particularly on defense, to start in the top 10, but top 15 is perfectly justified.

That said, if you were to ask me, "Who do you predict will win the Big East," I would say ... probably not West Virginia. Much of that is based on my aforementioned lack of faith in the Bill Stewart regime and the entirely realistic possibility of that program suffering a Louisville-type implosion (though that would more likely come next year), but it's also because there are a whole bunch of other Big East teams sitting on the verge of a breakthrough. I'm just not sure which one it will be.

Pittsburgh is certainly one of those teams. As inexplicable as the then-4-7 Panthers' Championship Saturday upset in Morgantown seemed at the time, the result wasn't entirely fluky. (Remember, Pitt also beat 10-3 Cincinnati prior to that.) The Panthers' defense was tremendous all season, finishing No. 5 nationally in yards allowed, and anyone who's watched McCoy knows he's an All-America-caliber back. The problem, as Pete noted above, was the absolute lack of a passing game. It's no guarantee, but the return of last year's opening-day QB Bill Stull and All-Big East WR Derek Kinder from injuries could help solve that.

Meanwhile, Cincinnati is not going away, and in fact should field a better overall team than it did last year if former starting QB Dustin Grutza can adjust to Brian Kelly's spread offense. Connecticut returns 17 starters from a team that very quietly shared the Big East title with West Virginia last season. Rutgers will not be going away just because Ray Rice did. And South Florida, if it can ever maintain any level of consistency, has shown it can play with just about anyone.

So the short answer to Pat's short question is, the Big East is wide open.

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05-21-2008 03:43 PM
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RE: Stewart Mandel : Big East is Wide Open
Stewart Mandel failed to note that D-line coach Bill Kirelawich has been a full-time member of the West Virginia staff @ WVU since 1980. He also ignored the staff of assistant coaches Stew has put together. We'll see how much these so-called 'experts' know at the end of the season.

Let everyone underestimate the Mountaineers. It's nothing new.
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bitcruncher Wrote:Stewart Mandel failed to note that D-line coach Bill Kirelawich has been a full-time member of the West Virginia staff @ WVU since 1980. He also ignored the staff of assistant coaches Stew has put together. We'll see how much these so-called 'experts' know at the end of the season.

Let everyone underestimate the Mountaineers. It's nothing new.

I love the following interchange from a Big 10 fan trying to diss the BE:

After several years of riding high because of West Virginia's win over Georgia in the Sugar Bowl, will we finally see the Big East fade back to ignominy and stop getting so much undue respect from the media? It's ridiculous to see any of their teams in the top 10 when their best team would finish in the middle of the pack at best in any of the other five BCS conferences.-- Matthew Puskar, East Lansing, Mich. 01-wingedeagle

Right, because the Big East's champion looked so outclassed against a top-five, Big 12 champion last bowl season. That makes three straight BCS wins for the league, by the way -- or two more than the ACC has in 10 tries. 03-nutkick

The better question is ... when am I finally going to stop getting questions like this? And will it happen before or after either A) the NCAA announces the "findings" of its Reggie Bush investigation or B) the Big Ten Network is made available in my apartment.

Stay tuned ... possibly for several more years.
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I would love for our champ to play the big10 champ this year.

That way we would have a shot at another BCS champion' hide.
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Let's see WVU-Ohio State in the BCS Championship, and see how well the Big 10 fans like it afterward. 05-mafia
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Imagine their meltdown after a USF-Ohio State BCS championship game.
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Cubanbull Wrote:Imagine their meltdown after a USF-Ohio State BCS championship game.

Or worse, a Cincinnati-Ohio State BCS championship game. . .and Cincinnati win! 03-lmfao
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CatsClaw Wrote:
Cubanbull Wrote:Imagine their meltdown after a USF-Ohio State BCS championship game.

Or worse, a Cincinnati-Ohio State BCS championship game. . .and Cincinnati win! 03-lmfao

The counseling center at tOSU would be working overtime if that ever happened. 03-lmfao

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omnicarrier Wrote:
CatsClaw Wrote:
Cubanbull Wrote:Imagine their meltdown after a USF-Ohio State BCS championship game.

Or worse, a Cincinnati-Ohio State BCS championship game. . .and Cincinnati win! 03-lmfao

The counseling center at tOSU would be working overtime if that ever happened. 03-lmfao

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RE: Stewart Mandel : Big East is Wide Open
bitcruncher Wrote:Stewart Mandel failed to note that D-line coach Bill Kirelawich has been a full-time member of the West Virginia staff @ WVU since 1980. He also ignored the staff of assistant coaches Stew has put together. We'll see how much these so-called 'experts' know at the end of the season.

Let everyone underestimate the Mountaineers. It's nothing new.


Mandel really likes RR. When Rod was at WVU he wrote article after article about the inovative offense etc, but as soon as RR left to UM he begain the bash Bill Stewart parade. Mandal might just be a great admirer of the RR system, but his attacks since Rod's departur have a Chuck Finder/Pittsburgh Post Gazette feel to them (at least to me). And, if you have been following the situation, the accusation has arrisen that Finder was basically in RRs pocket all along.

Coule of other points

A) WVU was set for a step back anyway when Pat White left. You just aren't going to easily replace what may be the BEs best college football player in its history....Walk-on-Water-Rod wasn't going 11-1 every year before Pat White was the QB

B)Stewart has put together a best staff in my short lifetime. He was even humble/smart enough to hire one of his chief rivals for the HCing job, Doc Holiday, as an assistant.

C) Stewart has recruited great up to this point. He held the class of 08 together though a transition period/RRs poaching and his recruiting for the class of 09 has been the best I've seen out of WVU

D)The racial slur stuff really makes me angery. Stew will be starting his 8th year in Morgantown this full (I think) and there has never been a complaint about how he dealt with African-American students or coaches. He was RRs lead recruiter in the DC/Virginia area and this issue was never brought up. Pat White basically lobbied for Stewart to get the job after the Fiesta Bowl. Many in the media don't see that. It strikes as being sad/inappropriate to judge a man on one sentance that was utterd almost twenty years ago, especially since that man has done so much for many student athletes at WVU since the Nehlen era

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Any time you go thru a transition from a successful HC to an asst you are going to have many doubts and questions. WV and Stewart will have to answer those on the field and it will take more than one year. Look at Miami with their coaching change, even after he went undefeated and won the NC during his first year Coker was hounded about it. Youll see the same with Stewart,if he wins this year it will be because of RichRod's players in many peoples eyes. It wil take success for ext 4 years before people get off his back.
But ultimately the answer will come on how WV football does in next 3-4 years, time will tell who is right on this one.
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CatsClaw Wrote:
omnicarrier Wrote:
CatsClaw Wrote:
Cubanbull Wrote:Imagine their meltdown after a USF-Ohio State BCS championship game.
Or worse, a Cincinnati-Ohio State BCS championship game. . .and Cincinnati win! 03-lmfao
The counseling center at tOSU would be working overtime if that ever happened. 03-lmfao

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The counseling center at OSU would be closed. The counselors would need therapy themselves. 03-weeping
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bitcruncher Wrote:Stewart Mandel failed to note that D-line coach Bill Kirelawich has been a full-time member of the West Virginia staff @ WVU since 1980. He also ignored the staff of assistant coaches Stew has put together. We'll see how much these so-called 'experts' know at the end of the season.

Let everyone underestimate the Mountaineers. It's nothing new.

WVU always does better when they're the underdogs. Rutgers seems to be the same way.
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I agree Jackson. That article had a heavy slant to it.

I don’t know how Stewart will do as a HC, but the fact is (as you state in B), he’s hired a very competent staff. If it is a step down, I don’t see it as any more significant than having to replace White.
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Jarrett Brown won't be much of a drop off from Pat White. He doesn't have that break away speed. But he's a good runner, and has a very strong arm. I think Brown will be a prototype for Mullens' offense, and that's a good thing.
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