Joe Manchin won't be Gov forever. He can only serve 2 consecutive terms.

bitcruncher Wrote:Joe Manchin won't be Gov forever. He can only serve 2 consecutive terms.

The only way Marshall is considered is:

A total FB split to 12 teams: No brainers (UCF, ECU + Memphis)

The 12th team would be either USM or Marshall. I personally would opt for USM in that case.

If I were king I would go slow: Add one team and invite Notre Dame (as a BB only). I would have a BB challenge series between the split leagues in December. I would encouage each FB school commit to playing 2 BB onlies to generate some made for TV games.

TexanMark Wrote:

bitcruncher Wrote:Joe Manchin won't be Gov forever. He can only serve 2 consecutive terms.

The only way Marshall is considered is:

A total FB split to 12 teams: No brainers (UCF, ECU + Memphis)

The 12th team would be either USM or Marshall. I personally would opt for USM in that case.

If I were king I would go slow: Add one team and invite Notre Dame (as a BB only). I would have a BB challenge series between the split leagues in December. I would encouage each FB school commit to playing 2 BB onlies to generate some made for TV games.

Thats an idea that I could cling to. That way Cuse could keep its rivalry with georgetown and possibly Nova.

No way Marshall gets into the BE as long as WVU is in the BE.
There is no need to have two schools from a small state in the conference. WV has only about 2 million people.
Florida on the other hand has 15 million people but has 4 BCS schools. Orlando has about 2 million in the metro area. Florida is crowded with BCS but the potential is much greater.

army56mike Wrote:If Memphis and ECU joined the BEast, C-USA as it is known now will cease. There is just too much movement and "western"ization in C-USA. The eastern schools will all go and join the Sunbelt, which will then be in a better off situation than C-USA.

TexanMark Wrote:

bitcruncher Wrote:Joe Manchin won't be Gov forever. He can only serve 2 consecutive terms.

The only way Marshall is considered is:

A total FB split to 12 teams: No brainers (UCF, ECU + Memphis)

The 12th team would be either USM or Marshall. I personally would opt for USM in that case.

If I were king I would go slow: Add one team and invite Notre Dame (as a BB only). I would have a BB challenge series between the split leagues in December. I would encouage each FB school commit to playing 2 BB onlies to generate some made for TV games.

Mark
Thats what i have always favored. i know many want to get rid of ND but bringing them on for all sports but football would allow the FB schools a majority and thus keep the Big East name. it wil also keep the league in many cities such as Chicago etc.

Hidden Dragon,
How do you expect us to read or understand your post with that icon constantly drawing our eyes away from the words?

One of the possibilities they are talking about on the Memphis radio is the BE not renewing certain contracts with certain schools. Maybe, like Depaul or St. Johns. I don't know how the contracts are shaped or when they expire but this could be a possibility. Alot of people are forgetting that the rumors are that they were "talking" to the BE not about joining. Maybe a split is coming maybe it isn't. All I know is that the reporter who broke the story feels very strong about the seriousness of the talks and the sources she talked to. IMO it looks like it will be a waiting game and when it happens it will probably be "all of the sudden."

army56mike Wrote:Hidden Dragon,
How do you expect us to read or understand your post with that icon constantly drawing our eyes away from the words?

Oh I think you'll manage.

if by some miracle both memphis and ecu left CUSA, CUSA would take La Tech and either MTSU, FAU, Troy, or LaLa. Probably MTSU or FAU. A merger with the Sun Belt would not be an option for USM, Tulane, or the texas schools.

Cubanbull Wrote:

TexanMark Wrote:

bitcruncher Wrote:Joe Manchin won't be Gov forever. He can only serve 2 consecutive terms.

The only way Marshall is considered is:

A total FB split to 12 teams: No brainers (UCF, ECU + Memphis)

The 12th team would be either USM or Marshall. I personally would opt for USM in that case.

If I were king I would go slow: Add one team and invite Notre Dame (as a BB only). I would have a BB challenge series between the split leagues in December. I would encouage each FB school commit to playing 2 BB onlies to generate some made for TV games.

Mark
Thats what i have always favored. i know many want to get rid of ND but bringing them on for all sports but football would allow the FB schools a majority and thus keep the Big East name. it wil also keep the league in many cities such as Chicago etc.

Nah! To keep the Big East name, at least 11 of the current 16 would have to dissolve the clusterf#$k leaving less than 6 on the other side. And even then, there would be a battle for the name.

It is why I finally came over to TS2's point of view that the Big East would remain a partial hybrid - of course his version was with 8 football schools, 4 bb schools (ND, St. John's, Nova, and GT), and a federated member like Navy for football only.

Prior to that I was gung-ho for a split with adding Memphis and having ND (if they wanted to come along for the ride) for #10 in basketball and the olympic sports. What's in a name after all? But the Big East name does have value. So it might be worth at least an attempt to preserve it.

Of course, the question remains would the bb schools like Nova, GT, and perhaps St. John's and Marquette be willing to help ease DePaul, Seton Hall and Providence out? Highly doubt it, but anything is possible.

Cheers,
Neil

Why do we need the Big East name. Just call ourselves The BEast, and screw it. It's close enough to give instant name recognition, but won't infringe on any copyright.

The eliminates all argument.

bitcruncher Wrote:Why do we need the Big East name. Just call ourselves The BEast, and screw it. It's close enough to give instant name recognition, but won't infringe on any copyright.

The eliminates all argument.

No one said it was 'needed'. Only that the name has value. If the BEast decided they have no intention of ever getting to 12, why not considering options that might allow it to keep the name?

If the ultimate goal is to get to 12 or if it is something one wants to attain in the long-term, then the name will be sacrificed.

Most on this board seem to think 9, 10 at the most, is as high as the football membership is going.

Cheers,
Neil

animus Wrote:

bitcruncher Wrote:If Memphis comes on board, will ECU come along with them to bump the number to 10?

What about UCF and USM? See if we can take the Gulf Coast from the SEC. :muttering:

Maybe we can bring WKU right along, and they can skip CUSA altogether. We can make UK the 3rd best team in the State of Kentucky.

How about Georgia Southern? We can take Georgia from the ACC and SEC both.

Give me time and I can come up with some more ridiculous suggestions...

how bout taking fresno st and getting the west coast market.

They could grab Hawaii and conquer Asia and Australia. C-USA could dominate!

We don't need Hawaii if we recruit all the good players on the Islands.

bitcruncher Wrote:We can make UK the 3rd best team in the State of Kentucky.

In basketball many will agree that WKU has already made this happen. Unfortunately for the Toppers they are in West Central Kentucky and not West Central Texas so membership in CUSA isn't likely.
Along the same lines...schools like ECU, UCF, UAB and maybe USM have to be alarmed by the Texas / Western flavor CUSA took on with the latest additions.
Perhaps that's why Terry Holland is pushing his expansion agenda. He lays out the details on why it has to happen, and when the proposal is soundly defeated, he has made his case for exit out of CUSA. It just seems strange that you would float the idea of CUSA expansion after news leaked of your program making overtures to the Big East.
CJ

bitcruncher Wrote:Why do we need the Big East name. Just call ourselves The BEast, and screw it.

That's actually a very clever idea...that would WORK.

omnicarrier Wrote:

bitcruncher Wrote:Why do we need the Big East name. Just call ourselves The BEast, and screw it. It's close enough to give instant name recognition, but won't infringe on any copyright.

The eliminates all argument.

No one said it was 'needed'. Only that the name has value. If the BEast decided they have no intention of ever getting to 12, why not considering options that might allow it to keep the name?

If the ultimate goal is to get to 12 or if it is something one wants to attain in the long-term, then the name will be sacrificed.

Most on this board seem to think 9, 10 at the most, is as high as the football membership is going.

Cheers,
Neil

I'd like to see 10 as the number to strive for. We could play 9 conference games, and only require 3 OOC games. I know it leaves the home schedules unbalanced for conference games, but them's the breaks.

I figure schools could work it out with their OOC scheduling. OOC games will usually go 2 for 1 home and away every other season, unless they schedule nothing but cupcakes. But 10 seems a much more harmonious number for us than 12.

bitcruncher Wrote:I'd like to see 10 as the number to strive for. We could play 9 conference games, and only require 3 OOC games. I know it leaves the home schedules unbalanced for conference games, but them's the breaks.

I figure schools could work it out with their OOC scheduling. OOC games will usually go 2 for 1 home and away every other season, unless they schedule nothing but cupcakes. But 10 seems a much more harmonious number for us than 12.

It also provides a bit of cushion in the event of a Big 10 or ACC raid.

I'm gonna say there would probably be a lawsuit over the name The BEast because it to closely resembles or refers to The Big East. However, I have always liked how intimidating The BEast sounds. Plus we would have the teams to match the name. We could go with The B*E*A*S*T (Big East All Sports Teams) Conference, and still sound cool and intimidating. Or we could just be the AMC (Atlantic Mountain Conference) since half our teams are Atlantic states and the other half are Appalachian states. I could go with any of those names.