The sad thing about this is that I run across guys like him on a daily basis that are so damn hardheaded that you cant even carry on a civil conversation with them...Meatheads
My brother describes a neocon as "someone who is conservative on every issue that I'm liberal on, and liberal on every issue that I'm conservative on."
Good thing I'm not a "Neocon", but I agree with Bush about his little jab. Sometimes words come back and bite you in the ass. .....he used Barack's OWN words. Shall I rehash them for you libs?
Thank God I'm not the only one who realized the difference between Obama's sit-and-talk strategy and Neville Chamberlain's here's-half-of-Czechoslovakia scheme of appeasement. Until a President, whoever that may be, starts giving chunks of land, money, or resources to a rogue regime in exchange for peace like a spineless coward, they shouldn't be compared to the appeasers of Hitler.
Thank God I'm not the only one who realized the difference between Obama's sit-and-talk strategy and Neville Chamberlain's here's-half-of-Czechoslovakia scheme of appeasement. Until a President, whoever that may be, starts giving chunks of land, money, or resources to a rogue regime in exchange for peace like a spineless coward, they shouldn't be compared to the appeasers of Hitler.
Iran wants Israel pushed into the sea. In case you didn't get the memo. Talking with dictators only legitimizes said dictator, They wanna talk, come to the mainstream.
RebelKev Wrote:Iran wants Israel pushed into the sea. In case you didn't get the memo. Talking with dictators only legitimizes said dictator, They wanna talk, come to the mainstream.
So by that logic, not talking with them does what? Talking with a leader does not mean you endorse their ideas. Talking with a leader does not mean you share their opinions.
perunapower Wrote:So by that logic, not talking with them does what? Talking with a leader does not mean you endorse their ideas. Talking with a leader does not mean you share their opinions.
Did it help Neville Chamberlain? Or did he find himself in the fight of his country's life a few years later? .....just wonderin'.
perunapower Wrote:So by that logic, not talking with them does what? Talking with a leader does not mean you endorse their ideas. Talking with a leader does not mean you share their opinions.
Did it help Neville Chamberlain? Or did he find himself in the fight of his country's life a few years later? .....just wonderin'.
We should be invading those Persian *****.
No, it didn't help Chamberlain. It didn't help because he gave Germany the Rhineland, Sudetenland, and Austria because he didn't want to stand up to Hitler. Talking doesn't make you a doormat.
Talking isn't appeasement. They are very different. We are having a rather civil discussion, without agreement thus far, and there has been no appeasement between us.
We only have a limited amount of resources, both personnel and economic. Invading Iran to make them see how we see isn't a viable solution. Punching someone in the face does not make them agree with you; it only makes them, and possibly some around you, resent you.
perunapower Wrote:Talking isn't appeasement. They are very different. We are having a rather civil discussion, without agreement thus far, and there has been no appeasement between us.
We only have a limited amount of resources, both personnel and economic. Invading Iran to make them see how we see isn't a viable solution. Punching someone in the face does not make them agree with you; it only makes them, and possibly some around you, resent you.
He wants to annihilate Israel. You wanna talk to someone like that? You find credence in talking to someone like that? I DON'T.
RebelKev Wrote:He wants to annihilate Israel. You wanna talk to someone like that? You find credence in talking to someone like that? I DON'T.
And you openly want to annihilate Iran. What's your point? Psychotic or not, he's a world leader, unfortunately. Ignoring him has zero effect on his leadership over Iran, it only affects Middle Eastern opinions of the US.
DinnerJacket wants to more than just wipe Israel off the map, he and his mullah puppet masters openly state their belief in the "Hidden Imam" Islamic Theology. i.e., lets get nukes and blow up as much of the world as possible, in this chaos our messiah will come to us and save the muslims. From there they can finish off the global Islamic Caliphate.
have fun reasoning with that, and "talking" is pointless unless you have a ton of leverage over them. Right now they have a ton over the industrialized world with their Oil reserves that must be sold to Europe and asia, their ability in the abscence of the USA in the Persian Gulf to SHUT DOWN shipping lanes of a majority of the world's oil that comes out of the Gulf. And of course their Terrorist puppet groups, Hezzbollah, hamas and they support AL-Qaeda.
perunapower Wrote:Talking isn't appeasement. They are very different. We are having a rather civil discussion, without agreement thus far, and there has been no appeasement between us.
We only have a limited amount of resources, both personnel and economic. Invading Iran to make them see how we see isn't a viable solution. Punching someone in the face does not make them agree with you; it only makes them, and possibly some around you, resent you.
He wants to annihilate Israel. You wanna talk to someone like that? You find credence in talking to someone like that? I DON'T.
Damn right I would want to sit down with him. The only stipulation would be...man to man..alone. He understands english just fine. My coversation with him would not be one of concession....just the facts of how he is getting ready to DIE.
perunapower Wrote:And you openly want to annihilate Iran. What's your point? Psychotic or not, he's a world leader, unfortunately. Ignoring him has zero effect on his leadership over Iran, it only affects Middle Eastern opinions of the US.
Reaction vs. Action. Last time I checked, Israel isn't threatening to annihilate Iran. They just want to survive. Oh, the horror.
Prediction: Israel will anihilate Iran if they become convinced that Iran has nuc weps and a delivery capability. And that capability might be to ship the warhead in a civilian shipping container to Lebanon, where Hezbollah would pick it up and bolt it onto the end of a hand-held missile that they can launch from 22 miles away from Tel Aviv.
Second prediction: If and when Israel does anihilate Iran, they will do so with the support and backing (albeit clandestine) of the Saudi governemnt and military. I will not be surprised if they launch air strikes from Saudi bases.
As a member of the Saudi royal family (a lower ranking prince, but nonetheless a member of the royal family) told me years ago, "My brother and I will fight my cousin. My cousin and I will fight THE WORLD. And we never forget that Isaac and Ishmael were brothers." Okay, they were half-brothers. But remember that was Isaac and Ishmael, not Isaac and Cyrus (even though Cyrus is the first person for whom the term "messiah" is used in the OT--Isaiah chapter 45).
Note: Edited to correct typo. Change in ALL CAPS.
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perunapower Wrote:And you openly want to annihilate Iran. What's your point? Psychotic or not, he's a world leader, unfortunately. Ignoring him has zero effect on his leadership over Iran, it only affects Middle Eastern opinions of the US.
Reaction vs. Action. Last time I checked, Israel isn't threatening to annihilate Iran. They just want to survive. Oh, the horror.
And your point is? We aren't discussing whether or not the US should be allied with Israel. Nor are we discussing Israel's right to sovereignty.
The US has two choices because it is both blessed and burdened with the responsibility of being a superpower: we can be the playground bully by flexing our muscles and forcing our will upon the world or we can step up and lead.
Leading isn't bossing people around and forcing people to conform to your will; it is much deeper and more complex than that. Now of the two choices, I choose the latter because it is much more apt to be successful (in most cases), in my opinion.
Crazy Neocons? 
...What a dumb***!!
