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http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD179107

Quote:jihadist leader in Uzbekistan declared: "The goal of this campaign is not only Kabul, Kandahar, or Baghdad. The eyes of the nation of Muhammad are set on Washington, London, Moscow, Paris, Delhi, Beijing, and other countries. This is our goal and, Allah willing, we will get there."

Muhammed's open-ended and EXPANSIONIST imperative:
Quote:"to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah, and he who professed it was guaranteed the protection of his property and life on my behalf except for the right affairs rest with Allah."

all.over.the.world....
Quote:It's all about Iraq, isn't it?

Yep, it's all about Iraq and...

India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Kabardino-Balkaria and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Argentina and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Germany and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and China and Nepal
and the Maldives and...

...and pretty much wherever Muslims believe their religion tells them to:

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, ... nor follow
the religion of truth... until they pay the tax in acknowledg-ment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."
Qur'an, Sura 9:29


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georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:Suicide bombers are TEN TIMES as likely to come from a nation the US currently occupies or has permanent forces in.

the source of this, Robert Pape. a FAR LEFT loon, err professor and yet another example of the Rothbardians allying with the far-left just like in the old days.

Robert Pape is wrong, Suicide bombing is motivated by Islamic Tenets

Quote:When Robert Pape's study of suicide bombings came out a few years ago, many people saw its flaws immediately. Michael Gordon eviscerates Pape's study expertly here. But of course the mainstream media and the learned experts all took Pape's central finding -- that suicide bombings had no connection with Islam and were more common among non-Muslims -- as absolute truth. Many, many time Pape's study has been thrown up to me, as if it somehow negates the jihadist attempt to recruit suicide bombers on the basis of the promise of Paradise to those who "kill and are killed" for Allah (Qur'an 9:111).

But now here is a new piece that shows how Pape cooked his data, in ways that minimized the Islamic aspects of suicide terror.

"Contrasting Secular and Religious Terrorism," by Jonathan Fine in Middle East Quarterly (thanks to drtigay):.............

Quote:Some researchers suggest that to understand terrorism it is more important to study what terrorists do rather than what they say.[1] University of Chicago political scientist Robert Pape argues, for example, that Islam has little to do with suicide bombing. Rather, he suggests, that suicide bombers, wherever they are in the world, are motivated much more by tactical goals. He juxtaposes the suicide terrorism of the (non-Islamic) Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) with Islamist suicide bombing to demonstrate that a desire to end occupation is the common factor rather than religion. Therefore, he suggests focus upon religion is a distraction and that policymakers seeking to stop the scourge of suicide attacks should work instead to address root causes, which he sees as the presence of troops or interests in disputed or occupied lands.[2]

Despite the revisionism advanced by Pape and others, the fact remains that most suicide bombings since 1980 in the world in general and in the Middle East in particular are sponsored by Islamist and not secular terrorist groups. Pape avoids this conclusion by gerrymandering his data so that he does not need to include the significant numbers of suicide bombings conducted by Sunnis against Shi‘a in Iraq.[3]


Paul like Pape whose basket he put all his eggs, are anti-Liberty and the opposite of Thomas Jefferson's worldview and calculation of people like Jihadist.
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RebelKev Wrote:....and you still don't get it. It doesn't matter if we pull ALL our our troops back and our allies do the same, they're STILL COMING. Islam is spreading like a cockroach infestation. It controls almost half of the continent of Africa right now. Europe is being essentially taken over with their liberals not doing a damn thing about it. Mohammed was the second most common name of babies born in England last year. You think we're starting some holy war? It's already upon us and it's not one we initiated. We didn't just start getting attacked on 11Sep01.

That's sounds like McCarthy talking about Communism. I don't buy it. Left to their own devices, they will self-destruct for many of the same reasons.
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btw, Bin Laden this past week gave his latest spin on the "root cause" of 9/11....it ain't the Saudi Govt. inviting our Troops into Saudi Arabia to protect them from saddam for a short time.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/1...tpop_story

Quote:"The Palestinian cause has been the main factor that, since my early childhood, fueled my desire, and that of the 19 freemen (Sept. 11 bombers), to stand by the oppressed, and punish the oppressive Jews and their allies," the al Qaeda chief said.

Osama Bin Laden


"We shall continue the fight, Allah willing, against the Israelis and their allies, in order to pursue justice for the oppressed, and we shall not give up one inch of Palestine, as long as there is still a single true Muslim alive."

I'm sure his useful idiots will take this as reason to be more anti-Israel and anti-democratic regime than ever.
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georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:That's sounds like McCarthy talking about Communism. I don't buy it. Left to their own devices, they will self-destruct for many of the same reasons.

The driving forces behind the two are two, completely different elemental entities. To dismiss it as something that'll just "go away on it's on" is a dangerous stance to take. Ask the Sudan. Ask the Philippines. Ask Spain. Ask Chechnya. Ask Afghanistan. Ask any number of countries that are now majority Muslim, or on their way to becoming one.
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Thomas Jefferson, when arguing for over 13 years to go to war with the Jihadist of his day.

Quote:It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once.

--Thomas Jefferson

Quote:Jefferson reported the conversation from 1786 to Secretary of State John Jay, who submitted the Ambassador's comments and offer to Congress. Jefferson argued that paying tribute would encourage more attacks. Although John Adams agreed with Jefferson, he believed that circumstances forced the U.S. to pay tribute until an adequate navy could be built.


and of course in 1803 as POTUS, Jefferson after building up the Navy went to war with the Jihadist and their State Sponsors. The site that the USS Constitution is currently housed is believed to be a potential target by modern day Jihadist for symbolic reasons.
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georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:That's sounds like McCarthy talking about Communism. I don't buy it. Left to their own devices, they will self-destruct for many of the same reasons.

The driving forces behind the two are two, completely different elemental entities. To dismiss it as something that'll just "go away on it's on" is a dangerous stance to take. Ask the Sudan. Ask the Philippines. Ask Spain. Ask Chechnya. Ask Afghanistan. Ask any number of countries that are now majority Muslim, or on their way to becoming one.

Wonder if that's how the Indians felt about those strange white people and "their Christianity". Who cares if 2/3 of the world becomes Muslim? Who cares if 2/3 of the world becomes Christian? Who cares if 2/3 of the world becomes Buddhist? It's radical religion that is the problem -- and that applies to *all* forms of religion.

I personally take it one step further, with the Richard Dawkins stance of religion period is mostly bad for society. If it's not extreme, then it breeds a tolerance and even encourages "willful suspension of critical thinking." In the majority of religions, you are taught certain things and told to unquestionably accept them as truth. To never question them. That's a breeding ground for extremism. All you need is one person willing to take advantage of such idiocy for their own means.
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...back down that path. "It's just radical Muslims doing it". You drink that Kool-Aid all you want. I don't buy it. There are an estimated 1.8 billion Muslims in the world. It's said that 10% are overtly radical. That is 180 million. There has never been a country that has fielded a 180 million man military. How many are "covertly" radical? Anothr 10%? 20%?

To compare Christianity to Islam is a very, very dumb move.

Christianity's prophecy was fulfilled with the New Testament. There is NO comparison between the Unholy Qu'ran and the New Testament.
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BTW, the New Testament teaches one to love thy neighbor. Love the sinner, hate the sin, etc.

The Unholy Qu'ran? Subjugate and tax, convert, or kill.

Yeah, I'm sold. Not.
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GGniner Wrote:Thomas Jefferson, when arguing for over 13 years to go to war with the Jihadist of his day.

Unless I've suffered amnesia, I can't recall an Iraqi stopping a US merchant vessel and demanding a toll for safe passage.
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georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:Unless I've suffered amnesia, I can't recall an Iraqi stopping a US merchant vessel and demanding a toll for safe passage.

That's because you're still taking a very simple approach to this complicated situation. Again, this isn't a war on a nation. Like I said, the 19 Hi-Jackers were from different countries. The WTC '93 bomber was from Pakistan. These radicals are connected by one thing, religion, NOT a country. ...and yes, there are and were terrorists IN Iraq pre-invasion.
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RebelKev Wrote:...back down that path. "It's just radical Muslims doing it". You drink that Kool-Aid all you want. I don't buy it. There are an estimated 1.8 billion Muslims in the world. It's said that 10% are overtly radical. That is 180 million. There has never been a country that has fielded a 180 million man military. How many are "covertly" radical? Anothr 10%? 20%?

To compare Christianity to Islam is a very, very dumb move.

Christianity's prophecy was fulfilled with the New Testament. There is NO comparison between the Unholy Qu'ran and the New Testament.

Because, you know, burning somebody at the stake for suggesting the Earth isn't the center of the universe is fine n' dandy.

The Crusades.

Witchhunts.

The Catholic Church. I should restate that like 100 times to adequately cover the amount of hypocrisy, lies, and detriment to society that represents.

The Jesus Camp gang.

While better from the relative standpoint of the Muslim faith ... still no clean and tidy house. Not even close.
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RebelKev Wrote:That's because you're still taking a very simple approach to this complicated situation. Again, this isn't a war on a nation. Like I said, the 19 Hi-Jackers were from different countries. The WTC '93 bomber was from Pakistan. These radicals are connected by one thing, religion, NOT a country. ...and yes, there are and were terrorists IN Iraq pre-invasion.

There are terrorists in pretty much every nation. There's also lightning in pretty much every nation ... so lets run in doors and never come out again. You do, btw, have much better odds of dieing from lightning than from a terrorist. In your blind dash to thwart terrorism (an impossible task... you're talking partial religion genocide here) .... you will:
- Destroy the value of the dollar due to guns and butter
- Destroy civil liberties at home (we've already lost a boatload)
- Take the lives of thousands and thousands of US servicemen (just in Iraq already)
- Take the lives of hundreds of thousands of civilians (just in Iraq already)

Sounds like the cure is far worse than the disease.
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georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:Because, you know, burning somebody at the stake for suggesting the Earth isn't the center of the universe is fine n' dandy.

The Crusades.

Witchhunts.

The Catholic Church. I should restate that like 100 times to adequately cover the amount of hypocrisy, lies, and detriment to society that represents.

The Jesus Camp gang.

While better from the relative standpoint of the Muslim faith ... still no clean and tidy house. Not even close.

Wow, really? That's what you're going to use? Acts that happened over 400 years ago?
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georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:There are terrorists in pretty much every nation. There's also lightning in pretty much every nation ... so lets run in doors and never come out again. You do, btw, have much better odds of dieing from lightning than from a terrorist. In your blind dash to thwart terrorism (an impossible task... you're talking partial religion genocide here) .... you will:
- Destroy the value of the dollar due to guns and butter
- Destroy civil liberties at home (we've already lost a boatload)
- Take the lives of thousands and thousands of US servicemen (just in Iraq already)
- Take the lives of hundreds of thousands of civilians (just in Iraq already)

Sounds like the cure is far worse than the disease.

Sooo, let's just run inside and pray the terrorists don't kill us. They will come, that I can assure you. Your method to combat terrorism is to not combat it at all. Think that'll work? Has it ever? Name one time.

They aren't going to let up. They have declared war on the United States. The question is, why is it the Paulinians and Liberals are the only ones that don't want to wake up to that reality? Everyone else has, including the Muzzies.

http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/chronology-pr.cfm
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Jesus Camp is hardly 400 years ago. The Catholic Church still hurts society to this very day. You heathen, take that condom off in your AIDS ridden Latin American country. God would rather you spread disease and die than use latex!
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georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:Jesus Camp is hardly 400 years ago. The Catholic Church still hurts society to this very day. You heathen, take that condom off in your AIDS ridden Latin American country. God would rather you spread disease and die than use latex!

So, is Jesus Camp out there cutting heads off and ****? Blowing up car bombs? Murdering journalists? Or are they just exercising their 1st Amendment rights?
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georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:Because, you know, burning somebody at the stake for suggesting the Earth isn't the center of the universe is fine n' dandy.

The Crusades.

Witchhunts.

The Catholic Church. I should restate that like 100 times to adequately cover the amount of hypocrisy, lies, and detriment to society that represents.

The Jesus Camp gang.

While better from the relative standpoint of the Muslim faith ... still no clean and tidy house. Not even close.

Wow, really? That's what you're going to use? Acts that happened over 400 years ago?

Acts that aren't in the Bible or in anyway part of the religion. Unlike the Koran and Jihad. atleast orthodox, bible beleiving Christianity vs. orthodox Koran/Hadith following Islamist.

and of course Atheism is the cause of well over 100 million deaths last century alone. without a God, the state is God and the one who gives rights if any and can just as easily take them away. The complete opposite of the founding fathers world view. If a creator God gives rights, then they can't be taken away. granted you need a society that actually believes that which ours is coming out of.

atheism can't even account for Science itself, much less morality. But Humanism(atheism) is a religion, they stated as much in their founding document, the Humanist manifesto.

if you want to get politically incorrect about it, Islam is an offspring of paganism and a cult.

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This is in the friggin US SENATE CHAMBERS



Oh yes love thy neighbor and sinner Christians... even in the effing SENATE.
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georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:This is in the friggin US SENATE CHAMBERS

Oh yes love thy neighbor and sinner Christians... even in the effing SENATE.

I missed the part where they ran down screaming "God is Great" and "Death to the Sinner". You know, before they made him kneel down and slice his throat. [Image: whatever.gif]

Besides, how many Hindi are in the Senate? I remember this, it was done ONLY to piss people off.
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