Somebody trying to tell me ND only has agreement to take Gator bowl & The rest of the bowls are not part of the mix. I can't find anything offical that says otherwise. If ND wins 7 games or possiabbly 6 can they take Gator bowl. If ND wins 8 & are not within 2 games of top 2 BE schools & no at-large, ND sits home. I'm actually looking for the correct anwers, they other guys insulting me I can't come up with link to support my position

templefootballfan Wrote:Somebody trying to tell me ND only has agreement to take Gator bowl & The rest of the bowls are not part of the mix. I can't find anything offical that says otherwise. If ND wins 7 games or possiabbly 6 can they take Gator bowl. If ND wins 8 & are not within 2 games of top 2 BE schools & no at-large, ND sits home. I'm actually looking for the correct anwers, they other guys insulting me I can't come up with link to support my position

I cant help you with a link, but I have heard that ND can only take the Gator, and I have heard that they can go to one of the other bowls except the bcs. They can only get the Gator if they are within 2 wins from our second place team, I think. The only other bowl of ours that they may think is good enough for them is the Charlotte Bowl.

Although the info. below (from http://www.bigeast.org) needs to be updated, it clearly states that ND's only relationship to the Big East bowls is the Gator/Sun. I do not believe ND can take any other BE bowl.


The BIG EAST Bowl Lineup
In addition to the Bowl Championship Series, the BIG EAST Conference also has agreements with a number of other postseason bowl games.

The BIG EAST and Big 12 Conferences — along with Notre Dame — forged a bowl partnership beginning in ‘06. This agreement assures both BCS Conferences’ and Notre Dame’s participation in the Konica Gator Bowl and Brut Sun Bowl over a four-year period. The Konica Gator Bowl or Brut Sun Bowl will pick a BIG EAST team after the league’s representative to the Bowl Championship Series has been determined. The Atlantic Coast Conference will provide the opposition in the Gator Bowl (CBS) and the Pac-10 Conference will participate in the Brut Sun Bowl (CBS).

The Konica Gator Bowl has the first selection at the conclusion of each season. During the four years of the deal, the BIG EAST (or Notre Dame) will send a team to both the Konica Gator Bowl and the Sun Bowl twice.

The Meineke Car Care Bowl is now in its sixth year with the BIG EAST Conference. The Meineke Car Care Bowl, which is played in Bank of America Stadium in Charlotte, N.C., picks after the Toyota Gator Bowl or Brut Sun Bowl.

In 2006, the BIG EAST entered into a four-year agreement to participate in the Texas Bowl versus an opponent from the Big 12 Conference. During the four-year agreement, the BIG EAST is guaranteed to play in the bowl game twice (2006 and 2008). The Texas Bowl is played at the state-of-the-art Reliant Stadium in Houston, Texas.

The BIG EAST Conference also aligned itself with two new bowls beginning last season – the International Bowl in Toronto, Ontario, and the PapaJohn’s.com Bowl in Birmingham, Ala. The agreements give the BIG EAST a total of six bowl deals. In the International Bowl, the BIG EAST faces a team from the Mid-American Conference. In the PapaJohn’s.com Bowl, the BIG EAST plays a team from Conference USA.

there's this one from ND:
also, I have not seen anything concerning the current deal (06-09) stating anything about ND being within one win of a BE team, etc. to be picked.

http://und.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec...06aaa.html

ND link is not clear, says they have options from the BE with Gator/Sun & Hous. Then it's says part of secondary BE bowl package. Are talking Hous & Gator or all of them.

here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_B...-BCS_Bowls

Back in 1999 they had access to all of the Big East's nonBCS bowls.

Toyota Gator Bowl, the Insight.com Bowl and the Music City Bowl.

http://www.nd.edu/~observer/11111999/Sports/2.html

And according to this guy is was true in 05/06

http://www.fanblogs.com/notre_dame/005352.php

thats the problem, the current bowl deal is 06-09.

UABGrad Wrote:Back in 1999 they had access to all of the Big East's nonBCS bowls.

Toyota Gator Bowl, the Insight.com Bowl and the Music City Bowl.

http://www.nd.edu/~observer/11111999/Sports/2.html

And according to this guy is was true in 05/06

http://www.fanblogs.com/notre_dame/005352.php

Correct. The first article that someone linked shows that ND has access to all of the BE bowls except the bcs:

Quote:When the next four-year Bowl Championship Series football contract comes into play starting with the 2006 season, the University of Notre Dame will have the opportunity to play one time each during that four-year window in the AT&T Cotton Bowl Classic, the Toyota Gator Bowl, the Vitalis Sun Bowl and the Houston Bowl.

These options, which cover the 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009 seasons, are based in part on BIG EAST Conference relationships with the Toyota Gator Bowl, the Vitalis Sun Bowl and the Houston Bowl. For those four years, Notre Dame continues as part of the BIG EAST's secondary bowl package for those seasons in which it is not selected for a BCS game.

On that basis, Notre Dame most recently played in the Toyota Gator Bowl following the 1998 and 2002 seasons and in the Insight Bowl (in Phoenix, Ariz.) following the 2004 season.

The article shows that ND has played in the Insight Bowl, because of the BE's tie in with those bowls.

Another reason to cut ties.

So, can ND take the Charlotte Car Bowl this season?

only if they get bowl eligible

I was wondering if Tex bowl still has option on ND, even tough BE gave bid up [NDcstv link]. I can't believe BE left ND high & dry, or capable of taking Gator at 6-6. I was reading St Pete paper about new bowl, I tought BE Asociate FB commisonor was quoted saying ND available for all BE bowl games. I can't find it, nor do I know how to do links.
11-09-08 I have since e-mailed reporter who quoted Asc FB Comm in article & told him I was gettig lampbasted on this & He got back to me & said he called BE office & ND is only part Of Gator/Sun deal.

nobody has an answer

If the Big East office really said Notre Dame is eligible for all non-BCS Big East bowls then they are eligible. People from the conference office ought to know what they are talking about in these matters.

With the recent article saying Mike Tranghese is pushing the Gator Bowl to lessen the Notre Dame clause to once every four years, you can bet they will be eligible for multiple bowls from 2010 to 2013.

Let's say Notre Dame goes 9-3, 8-4, 7-5, or 6-6 four straight years. They would then rotate through the Gator Bowl, Meineke Car Care Bowl, Papa John's Bowl, and St. Petersburg Bowl during that span.

If the Fighting Irish make the BCS once, or have a losing record once, during this period, though, they would never get a chance to go to St. Petersburg. That concept would apply throughout the line-up.

templefootballfan Wrote:nobody has an answer

Apparently not.

The Big East website makes no mention of Notre Dame being able to take anything other then the Gator-Sun.

However; this is the most recent mention I can find on this; it’s from a Pittsburgh paper but is 3 years old:


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Notre Dame shares in the Big East's bids, even though it is not a football member. That arrangement is up after this season, although Tranghese believes it will be renewed.

Big East Bowl tie-ins

In addition to the Bowl Championship Series bid which goes to its champion, the Big East Conference has three other bowl tie-ins:

Bowl game, date, site Matchup Payout Last season
Insight, Dec. 27, Phoenix Pac-10 vs. Big East $750,000 Oregon State 38, x-Notre Dame 21
Meineke Car Care, Dec. 31, Cahrlotte, NC ACC vs. Big East $1.27 million y-Boston College 37, North Carolina 24
Gator, Jan. 2, 2006, Jacksonville, FL ACC vs. Big East $1.6 million Florida State 30, West Virginia 18


x-Notre Dame is not a football member of the Big East, but can be offered one of the league's postseason bids when it is bowl-eligible

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbur...34409.html
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.....anyhow, I opened up a topic on the Notre Dame Rivals board asking them about this (their Scout board required getting approval to post). Maybe they will tell me to blow off, or maybe somebody knows for sure without saying "I think" this is what the arrangement is.
http://notredame.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?...61&style=2

for kk

I believe the ND deal is only for the gator bowl.
Their administartion has said they are not interested in going to lower bowls such as Toronto, BHam and St Pete specially vs nonBCS teams.
I also believe ND has individual deals with other bowls

Notre Dame can be chosen by the Gator Bowl once in four years and once by the Sun Bowl once in four years. We can really consider those two entities to be one bowl deal for practical purposes.

Then the Fighting Irish have a side deal with the Cotton Bowl which would allow them to replace the SEC once in four years. It has not happened in more than a decade as far as I can remember.

When the International Bowl was created, Mike Tranghese gave them the rights to include Notre Dame to help market the game to Toronto, but they would likely never accept an actual bid there.

I believe the Fighting Irish are not part of the Meineke, St. Petersburg, or Papa John's deals now but could certainly be worked in if they are 7-5 or 6-6 and the Big East is unable to fill one of them.

Notre Dame was hoping for the BCS in 2006, Gator in 2007, Sun in 2008, and Cotton in 2009 as their worst case scenario. Best case scenario for them, of course, would be getting four BCS bids.

There is also no longer a one-win, or two-win, rule for the Gator Bowl or Sun Bowl so they can, and will, take a 7-5 or better Notre Dame over a better Big East team. I am not sure about 6-6.

When push comes to shove, no, the Fighting Irish would probably never accept a low-tier bowl bid against a non-BCS team. They would, however, accept a game against a low-level BCS team.

Navy is the back up in the Texas bowl. An article appeared in the papers stating this. It gives Navy another bowl game opportunity besides just the Washington DC bowl. ND was part of the deal when the Big East was involved.