For those who didn't see The Daily Show last night ... they had a great description of our economic policies:

"We're in a big hole right now. So I say we keep digging. Cause eventually we'll reach China, and they apparently have all our money."

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:For those who didn't see The Daily Show last night ... they had a great description of our economic policies:

"We're in a big hole right now. So I say we keep digging. Cause eventually we'll reach China, and they apparently have all our money."

That might work but then we'd have this hole that China's poor, uneducated and criminally inclined can jump into and sneak into our country. We already have holes like this that go from Mexico to various locations in Texas, Arizona and California.

Only democrats like holes.

Seriously, if we stopped outsourcing and greatly reduced imports and then replaced all that with people and goods employed/made in America we'd do just fine.

smn1256 Wrote:[Seriously, if we stopped outsourcing and greatly reduced imports and then replaced all that with people and goods employed/made in America we'd do just fine.

Who determines the proper level of imports for each industry? Would we still be able to export goods & if we stopped importing why would other countries take our exports? Are you really ready for the incredible jump in prices when Americans start doing jobs more efficiently done in other courties?

Central planning doesn't work. The economy is too complicated. And I don't see any way to improve our economy by making it more inefficient. If the governments, both state & federal, would quit spending so much money we wouldn't be in such a mess. Blame the government, not the economy.

smn1256 Wrote:[quote=georgia_tech_swagger]
For those who didn't see The Daily Show last night ... they had a great description of our economic policies:

"We're in a big hole right now. So I say we keep digging. Cause eventually we'll reach China, and they apparently have all our money."

That might work but then we'd have this hole that China's poor, uneducated and criminally inclined can jump into and sneak into our country. We already have holes like this that go from Mexico to various locations in Texas, Arizona and California.

Only democrats like holes.

Quote:Seriously, if we stopped outsourcing and greatly reduced imports and then replaced all that with people and goods employed/made in America we'd do just fine.

Yep...Lets just put more regulation and barriers to the free market in place....

How about lets just let people make thier own decisions about the goods and services they prefer and let those that cant compete...find something else to do....Stop feeling sorry for noncompetiveness and start aplauding the efficency and lower prices that come from competition. Protectionism is not the answer...Elimination of governmental interference in the free market is a more viable solution.

smn1256 Wrote:That might work but then we'd have this hole that China's poor, uneducated and criminally inclined can jump into and sneak into our country. We already have holes like this that go from Mexico to various locations in Texas, Arizona and California.

Actually if they jumped into that hole when they came out the one side they would be pulled back towards the center of the earth. That might solve our illegal immigration problem if everyone that tried to come into this country was eternally bouncing between sides of the earth.

jh Wrote:

smn1256 Wrote:[Seriously, if we stopped outsourcing and greatly reduced imports and then replaced all that with people and goods employed/made in America we'd do just fine.

Who determines the proper level of imports for each industry? Would we still be able to export goods & if we stopped importing why would other countries take our exports? Are you really ready for the incredible jump in prices when Americans start doing jobs more efficiently done in other courties?

Central planning doesn't work. The economy is too complicated. And I don't see any way to improve our economy by making it more inefficient. If the governments, both state & federal, would quit spending so much money we wouldn't be in such a mess. Blame the government, not the economy.

:ncaabbs:Central planning NEVER works!! The free market is the solution to almost every problem.

jh Wrote:

smn1256 Wrote:[Seriously, if we stopped outsourcing and greatly reduced imports and then replaced all that with people and goods employed/made in America we'd do just fine.

Who determines the proper level of imports for each industry? Would we still be able to export goods & if we stopped importing why would other countries take our exports? Are you really ready for the incredible jump in prices when Americans start doing jobs more efficiently done in other courties?

Central planning doesn't work. The economy is too complicated. And I don't see any way to improve our economy by making it more inefficient. If the governments, both state & federal, would quit spending so much money we wouldn't be in such a mess. Blame the government, not the economy.

We have the second-highest corporate tax rate in the developed world (only Japan is higher, and their economy hasn't been great shakes lately either), and we are losing jobs and we don't connect the dots. By contrast, Ireland lowered their corporate tax rate to 12.5% and they are now the fastest-growing economy in the EU.

Any questions?

Fo Shizzle Wrote::ncaabbs:Central planning NEVER works!! The free market is the solution to almost every problem.

This raised an interesting question for me (which may be an entirely different line of thought altogether, but I feel is somewhat relevant):

How reliant are we as a nation on the government? I think that our nation has grown to expect that the government (primarily Federal) will ensure everything works out for us in the end with little to no self-reliance or accountability. While I know this is not true for ALL Americans, it does seem to be the general mentality. Everything from managing the economy, to legislating morality, to controlling education, to protecting our investments, we seem to WANT the government to take control as though they have some mysterious solution we are unaware of. I don't know, maybe its just this strange fascination some have for the Europe's "Eutopia " or just the lingering effects of communism, but this seems to be the bottom reason why we can't get away from government involvement.

smn1256 Wrote:

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:For those who didn't see The Daily Show last night ... they had a great description of our economic policies:

"We're in a big hole right now. So I say we keep digging. Cause eventually we'll reach China, and they apparently have all our money."

That might work but then we'd have this hole that China's poor, uneducated and criminally inclined can jump into and sneak into our country. We already have holes like this that go from Mexico to various locations in Texas, Arizona and California.

Only democrats like holes.

Seriously, if we stopped outsourcing and greatly reduced imports and then replaced all that with people and goods employed/made in America we'd do just fine.

That will only happen when we are willing to pay $20 for a widget that we can get for $2 from overseas... or when the union janitor at the GMAC factory can provide for a family of 4 or more on $5/hour for a 60 hr week with little in the way of public assistance, rather than the $35+/hour (including benefits, I've heard this number is more like $75, but whatever) he currently gets.

In other words, never.

T-Monay820 Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote::ncaabbs:Central planning NEVER works!! The free market is the solution to almost every problem.

This raised an interesting question for me (which may be an entirely different line of thought altogether, but I feel is somewhat relevant):

How reliant are we as a nation on the government? I think that our nation has grown to expect that the government (primarily Federal) will ensure everything works out for us in the end with little to no self-reliance or accountability. While I know this is not true for ALL Americans, it does seem to be the general mentality. Everything from managing the economy, to legislating morality, to controlling education, to protecting our investments, we seem to WANT the government to take control as though they have some mysterious solution we are unaware of. I don't know, maybe its just this strange fascination some have for the Europe's "Eutopia " or just the lingering effects of communism, but this seems to be the bottom reason why we can't get away from government involvement.

There is no doubt that we have been indoctrinated from youths to revere the government....Our history books are filled full of biased pro-government propaganda. You want to see a nasty debate?...Bad mouth Abe Linclon and watch sparks fly!!!!...Just in the last few years are some of the real truths about our history beginning to come to light...Its no wonder that most people think that the government is wonderful and can solve all our problems.

Fo Shizzle Wrote:There is no doubt that we have been indoctrinated from youths to revere the government....Our history books are filled full of biased pro-government propaganda. You want to see a nasty debate?...Bad mouth Abe Linclon and watch sparks fly!!!!...Just in the last few years are some of the real truths about our history beginning to come to light...Its no wonder that most people think that the government is wonderful and can solve all our problems.

While I think your statement may be occasionally true, the history books do not seem to be the primary source of where we get our ideals that government is the solution. They still raise questions about government with decisions like the Indian Removal Act, the Rosenburgs, and McCarthy.

I think Lincoln has to looked at in a unique light. He was a wartime president. His situation was especially different given that it could have drastically changed the fate of the nation (versus say a Korea or Spanish-American war). I'm going to assume your greatest criticism is the suspension of Habeas corpus, since that seems to be the most prevalent criticism. If I have my history correct, by not imprisioning certain individuals, the states of the Confederacy may have been much different than what it turned out to be. I'm not exactly sure how portrayal of one of America's most critical presidents should be seen as pro-govn't propaganda.

While there may be other examples you can cite, I just specifically replied to the one you posted.