Because they kown you can beat them, hence cutting off their Cincinnati recruiting base!

Wilkie01 Wrote:Because they kown you can beat them, hence cutting off their Cincinnati recruiting base!

Heh, heh! That part I do know. All you have to do is see OSU's recent antics for that one

Jose_Jalapeno_on_a_Stick Wrote:As far as UC is concerned, I can understand if the Irish don't want to go to a 35000 seat house. I'll be the first to admit the Nip needs expansion in a big way. However, we are perfectly capable of leasing a 66000 NFL stadium any time a big game rolls into town. I don't at all understand ND's relucatance to do that, especially considering Cincinnati's heavy Catholic popultation.

And you guys are doing that for Oklahoma and have done it for OSU. Worked out pretty well and I think it will do well against Oklahoma.

Any thought for doing it for the home games vs. Miami? Don't those draw well?

Was the Yale Bowl ever discussed as an option for UConn?

mattsarz Wrote:Was the Yale Bowl ever discussed as an option for UConn?

Not sure but the UConn AD when being interviewed by the state legislature he said that ND wouldn't play in Hartford even if the stadium was 'larger' (but they didn't say what 'larger' was).

Hoquista Wrote:

mattsarz Wrote:Was the Yale Bowl ever discussed as an option for UConn?

Not sure but the UConn AD when being interviewed by the state legislature he said that ND wouldn't play in Hartford even if the stadium was 'larger' (but they didn't say what 'larger' was).

True. Larger for Rentschler might be 55K, where I think the Yale Bowl is a more than acceptable 65K. Maybe it is an issue renting the stadium. Isn't the Yale Bowl a private facility since Yale is a private school?

mattsarz Wrote:

Jose_Jalapeno_on_a_Stick Wrote:As far as UC is concerned, I can understand if the Irish don't want to go to a 35000 seat house. I'll be the first to admit the Nip needs expansion in a big way. However, we are perfectly capable of leasing a 66000 NFL stadium any time a big game rolls into town. I don't at all understand ND's relucatance to do that, especially considering Cincinnati's heavy Catholic popultation.

And you guys are doing that for Oklahoma and have done it for OSU. Worked out pretty well and I think it will do well against Oklahoma.

Any thought for doing it for the home games vs. Miami? Don't those draw well?

Miami's been downhill since Rothlesberger left, in competetiveness and fanbase. If they ever return to the former level, and UC remains on this level too, I could see using PBS for that game, but not until.

mattsarz Wrote:

Hoquista Wrote:

mattsarz Wrote:Was the Yale Bowl ever discussed as an option for UConn?

Not sure but the UConn AD when being interviewed by the state legislature he said that ND wouldn't play in Hartford even if the stadium was 'larger' (but they didn't say what 'larger' was).

True. Larger for Rentschler might be 55K, where I think the Yale Bowl is a more than acceptable 65K. Maybe it is an issue renting the stadium. Isn't the Yale Bowl a private facility since Yale is a private school?

Not sure but is UConn even allowed to play in another venue in CT? IIRC they are required to play 6 games at Rentschler (in a 12 game season).

I think ND approached UConn by saying we want to play games in Boston and NYC as your home game - how about you? I'm not sure who else they could have gotten for an annual game in Boston though besides Army and Navy if they continue to exclude BC.

Food for thought - Alumni stadium (BC) @44.5k isn't that much bigger than the Rent. I don't think they played any game outside of ALumni under the current or recent series deals.

bitcruncher Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:UConn was a D-AA team 10 years ago. Notre Dame and Boston College have been around forever. UConn needs get on the map and playing Notre Dame anywhere helps their image in college football. You get on national TV like NBC and its does a lot for the program. West Virginia is perhaps the only Big East program that is at the elite all-time level. Pitt and Syracuse have been close before, but have faded in recent years. Louisville, Cincinnati, Rutgers have played for ever but not at the level of West Virginia. USF is like UConn and is still trying to be established at the D-A level. It takes many years to build a program. UConn has a bold plan to play a big time schedule. They have not played a strong schedule so far in D-A, and need to beef it up. Wake Forest, Army, Temple, Buffalo just won't cut it anymore. They need some meat and taters now. The Big East needs to bulk up the non-conference schedule and draw those big TV home games down the road.

How can you say that a program like WV is at an "all time elite" level, with zero national championships, and a program like Pitt is not who has several national championships? Pitt may have spent some time down, but if there is any program in the BE that could be considered an "all time elite" program, it would be Pitt. I am not disrespecting what WV has accomplished, especially since they account for the biggest wins that our presently comprised conference has ever had.
These last 3 years I would say have put WV at an elite level, but you cant just discard Pitts tradition and success when you are talking about "all time" results.

WVU is 31st all-time in wins (most of any school with no national championships), has played for a national championship (lost, but counts), is 33-5 over the last 3 years, with 2 BCS Bowl game victories (over the 2005 SEC Champion, Georgia, and 2007 Big XII Champion, Oklahoma, no less, and both games had the Mountaineers heavy underdogs), and doesn't look to be dropping off the face of the Earth any time soon.

Your standards are strange. Saying that a team isn't elite, just because they haven't won a national championship, is like saying another team, with a long, lousy history, is an elite team because it has one miracle season and wins a national championship. And that's so unrealistic it's outrageous.

Is the Buffalo Bills success cheap because they didn't win a Super Bowl in 4 straight attempts? I don't think so. Name another team that went to 4 straight.

Maybe you should re-read my post to see what I actually said. I said nothing about WV not being an elite program all time, although it could be debateable. The premise of what I said was, that if you are going to consider WV to be an elite all time program, then how can you not consider Pitt to also be an elite all-time program? Pitt has several national championships and is ranked in the top 20 of all time wins. They have been down as of late, but using one of your own criteria, all time wins, certainly seems to indicate that they have been more successful than WV in that area. So once again, if we are talking about a program being an all time elite program, Pitts tradition with national championships and top 20 all time wins makes the best case of any program in the BE. That, however does not mean that WV is not also an elite program. But how can one say that WV is and Pitt isnt?

Quote:Your standards are strange. Saying that a team isn't elite, just because they haven't won a national championship, is like saying another team, with a long, lousy history, is an elite team because it has one miracle season and wins a national championship. And that's so unrealistic it's outrageous.

Your analogy would make more since if we were actually discussing a program that actually has a long and lousy history of losing. But we are talking about Pitt here, a program with several national championships and ranked in the top 20 of all time wins.

Wilkie01 Wrote:So, we split and become this and can still beat the ACC champion in football!

Syracuse
West Virginia
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
Sothern Miss
East Carolina
South Florida
Central Florida

Aren't you forgetting someone?

The Temple fan is just mad because a few years ago Temple and RU were in the same situation fastforward to 2008 and RU is expanding the stadium and rejecting ND meanwhile Temple is accepting 3 for 1s with Pennst........I mean its understandable but you must understand not all teams are willing to bend over.

cuseroc Wrote:

bitcruncher Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:UConn was a D-AA team 10 years ago. Notre Dame and Boston College have been around forever. UConn needs get on the map and playing Notre Dame anywhere helps their image in college football. You get on national TV like NBC and its does a lot for the program. West Virginia is perhaps the only Big East program that is at the elite all-time level. Pitt and Syracuse have been close before, but have faded in recent years. Louisville, Cincinnati, Rutgers have played for ever but not at the level of West Virginia. USF is like UConn and is still trying to be established at the D-A level. It takes many years to build a program. UConn has a bold plan to play a big time schedule. They have not played a strong schedule so far in D-A, and need to beef it up. Wake Forest, Army, Temple, Buffalo just won't cut it anymore. They need some meat and taters now. The Big East needs to bulk up the non-conference schedule and draw those big TV home games down the road.

How can you say that a program like WV is at an "all time elite" level, with zero national championships, and a program like Pitt is not who has several national championships? Pitt may have spent some time down, but if there is any program in the BE that could be considered an "all time elite" program, it would be Pitt. I am not disrespecting what WV has accomplished, especially since they account for the biggest wins that our presently comprised conference has ever had.
These last 3 years I would say have put WV at an elite level, but you cant just discard Pitts tradition and success when you are talking about "all time" results.

WVU is 31st all-time in wins (most of any school with no national championships), has played for a national championship (lost, but counts), is 33-5 over the last 3 years, with 2 BCS Bowl game victories (over the 2005 SEC Champion, Georgia, and 2007 Big XII Champion, Oklahoma, no less, and both games had the Mountaineers heavy underdogs), and doesn't look to be dropping off the face of the Earth any time soon.

Your standards are strange. Saying that a team isn't elite, just because they haven't won a national championship, is like saying another team, with a long, lousy history, is an elite team because it has one miracle season and wins a national championship. And that's so unrealistic it's outrageous.

Is the Buffalo Bills success cheap because they didn't win a Super Bowl in 4 straight attempts? I don't think so. Name another team that went to 4 straight.

Maybe you should re-read my post to see what I actually said. I said nothing about WV not being an elite program all time, although it could be debateable. The premise of what I said was, that if you are going to consider WV to be an elite all time program, then how can you not consider Pitt to also be an elite all-time program? Pitt has several national championships and is ranked in the top 20 of all time wins. They have been down as of late, but using one of your own criteria, all time wins, certainly seems to indicate that they have been more successful than WV in that area. So once again, if we are talking about a program being an all time elite program, Pitts tradition with national championships and top 20 all time wins makes the best case of any program in the BE. That, however does not mean that WV is not also an elite program. But how can one say that WV is and Pitt isnt?

Quote:Your standards are strange. Saying that a team isn't elite, just because they haven't won a national championship, is like saying another team, with a long, lousy history, is an elite team because it has one miracle season and wins a national championship. And that's so unrealistic it's outrageous.

Your analogy would make more since if we were actually discussing a program that actually has a long and lousy history of losing. But we are talking about Pitt here, a program with several national championships and ranked in the top 20 of all time wins.

Did I say anything about Pitt? NO. When I do, you'll be aware of it.

bitcruncher Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

bitcruncher Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:UConn was a D-AA team 10 years ago. Notre Dame and Boston College have been around forever. UConn needs get on the map and playing Notre Dame anywhere helps their image in college football. You get on national TV like NBC and its does a lot for the program. West Virginia is perhaps the only Big East program that is at the elite all-time level. Pitt and Syracuse have been close before, but have faded in recent years. Louisville, Cincinnati, Rutgers have played for ever but not at the level of West Virginia. USF is like UConn and is still trying to be established at the D-A level. It takes many years to build a program. UConn has a bold plan to play a big time schedule. They have not played a strong schedule so far in D-A, and need to beef it up. Wake Forest, Army, Temple, Buffalo just won't cut it anymore. They need some meat and taters now. The Big East needs to bulk up the non-conference schedule and draw those big TV home games down the road.

How can you say that a program like WV is at an "all time elite" level, with zero national championships, and a program like Pitt is not who has several national championships? Pitt may have spent some time down, but if there is any program in the BE that could be considered an "all time elite" program, it would be Pitt. I am not disrespecting what WV has accomplished, especially since they account for the biggest wins that our presently comprised conference has ever had.
These last 3 years I would say have put WV at an elite level, but you cant just discard Pitts tradition and success when you are talking about "all time" results.

WVU is 31st all-time in wins (most of any school with no national championships), has played for a national championship (lost, but counts), is 33-5 over the last 3 years, with 2 BCS Bowl game victories (over the 2005 SEC Champion, Georgia, and 2007 Big XII Champion, Oklahoma, no less, and both games had the Mountaineers heavy underdogs), and doesn't look to be dropping off the face of the Earth any time soon.

Your standards are strange. Saying that a team isn't elite, just because they haven't won a national championship, is like saying another team, with a long, lousy history, is an elite team because it has one miracle season and wins a national championship. And that's so unrealistic it's outrageous.

Is the Buffalo Bills success cheap because they didn't win a Super Bowl in 4 straight attempts? I don't think so. Name another team that went to 4 straight.

Maybe you should re-read my post to see what I actually said. I said nothing about WV not being an elite program all time, although it could be debateable. The premise of what I said was, that if you are going to consider WV to be an elite all time program, then how can you not consider Pitt to also be an elite all-time program? Pitt has several national championships and is ranked in the top 20 of all time wins. They have been down as of late, but using one of your own criteria, all time wins, certainly seems to indicate that they have been more successful than WV in that area. So once again, if we are talking about a program being an all time elite program, Pitts tradition with national championships and top 20 all time wins makes the best case of any program in the BE. That, however does not mean that WV is not also an elite program. But how can one say that WV is and Pitt isnt?

Quote:Your standards are strange. Saying that a team isn't elite, just because they haven't won a national championship, is like saying another team, with a long, lousy history, is an elite team because it has one miracle season and wins a national championship. And that's so unrealistic it's outrageous.

Your analogy would make more since if we were actually discussing a program that actually has a long and lousy history of losing. But we are talking about Pitt here, a program with several national championships and ranked in the top 20 of all time wins.

Did I say anything about Pitt? NO. When I do, you'll be aware of it.

Tell me where I said you said anything? All I talked about were unrealistic expectations. And expecting elite play from a Wanstedt coached team is unrealistic.

Pitt may have been elite in the past, but they have become no better Nebraska under Callahan during Wanstedt's tenure.

bitcruncher Wrote:Tell me where I said you said anything? All I talked about were unrealistic expectations.

WVU is 31st all-time in wins (most of any school with no national championships), has played for a national championship (lost, but counts), is 33-5 over the last 3 years, with 2 BCS Bowl game victories (over the 2005 SEC Champion, Georgia, and 2007 Big XII Champion, Oklahoma, no less, and both games had the Mountaineers heavy underdogs), and doesn't look to be dropping off the face of the Earth any time soon.

"Your standards are strange. Saying that a team isn't elite, just because they haven't won a national championship, is like saying another team, with a long, lousy history, is an elite team because it has one miracle season and wins a national championship. And that's so unrealistic it's outrageous".


Of course you wont find anywhere in my post that I said or even alluded to the above as quoted from you.

Maybe you suffer from short term memory loss.


Just messing with you Bit. I thought I would give you a little payback.

templefootballfan Wrote:Panite; your telling me to hell with ND & you want Rutgers to start building relationships with the B-10. Well your proving my point, Rutgers is going to regret this decission for 100 yrs. IF ND cannot meet it's fincial needs. ND joins B-10, & ACC decides on Syc & Conn. Rutgers is pulling for Temple & Buffalo for the BE, Then Rutgers is sch Norfolk St again to fill out it's sch in empty 65,000 seat stadium. Please don't take this personally, I enjoy your support of Temple

No offense taken. I would not care if ND took that last B10 spot because the BE FB interests would no longer be threatened by conference expansion. With ND out of the way the BE could replace them with an all sports team to even up the conference schedule or split if the BB schools fight them on the issue. Any team that would replace ND would certainly be more LOYAL to this conference or a Split BE Conference than the leprechauns. As stated before I would like to see Rutgers in the B10 if they can get there with Penn State and the others with that last slot they have available for now. I would love to see ND turn down the B10 and watch Rutgers step by those Arrogant ND fans on the way to the B10.

If Rutgers does not make it to the B10 I still want to see them expand the stadium to maximum capacity one day to be one of the most successful teams in the BE. With stadium expansion maximized other big name teams from other big name conferences will roll into town. Rutgers needs to keep building their fan base and needs to keep expanding their stadium for that fan base to bring those big teams in and be able to eliminate the Murry St's and Norfolk St's further down the road.

Also if the other conferences ever go to 14 teams all the BE FB teams would make out in the end too. They would all be cherry picked into four of the big five remaining conferences and would be better off for it. For now as long as the Pac 10 and the B10 stand pat, the BE is safe for now. If the BE is cherry picked in the near future by the B10 to get to 12 and a championship game the rest of the BE is safe anyway even if they loose Cuse, Rutgers, or Pitt, who seem to be the leaders in that department, as they will add another FB team and continue on their merry way as a BCS conference.

cuseroc Wrote:Maybe you suffer from short term memory loss.


Just messing with you Bit. I thought I would give you a little payback.

Actually, I do have short-term memory problems from a couple of traumatic brain injuries. I had the first when I was 3. But since it was back in the 50s, they didn't diagnose it properly. The 2nd one happened in a near fatal car wreck in 98, when I broke my neck. Oddly enough, it saved my life. They discovered my liver cancer in time for me to get a transplant. It's a minor detail that I've learned to deal with.

The advantage is, I never can remember what I got mad about, so I don't stay angry long at all.

UltimateCFBfan Wrote:

Wilkie01 Wrote:So, we split and become this and can still beat the ACC champion in football!

Syracuse
West Virginia
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
Sothern Miss
East Carolina
South Florida
Central Florida

Aren't you forgetting someone?

No, the post I replied to by the Temple fan, said that UConn and Rutgers would leave for the ACC!