Krocker Krapp Wrote:I will reiterate again that the ACC needs to change its football divisions to a traditional North/South model and stop trying to force Florida State vs. Miami in hopes of getting a title game sellout. It has not happened so far and, quite obviously, will not become an annual occurance anytime in the near future. To prevent losing old rivalries, each team should have two permanent rivals from the opposite division (5-2-1), and then slowly rotate the other four foes from the opposite division. Put the title game in Charlotte where it will generate the biggest turnout and most loyal support.

EXAMPLE ACC NORTH

• BC / Maryland
  Virginia Tech / Virginia
  North Carolina / Duke

EXAMPLE ACC SOUTH

• Wake Forest / North Carolina State
  Clemson / Georgia Tech
  Florida State / Miami

Eventually it will also become clear that there is no reason for Boston College to remain in the ACC. Temple would provide just as big of a market, get the ACC a foothold in the Northeast as they wish, and is actually located in an adjoining state. Boston College must eventually realize they need to get back together with the Big East football schools in a league based in the Northeast. Whether they are intelligent enough to admit their mistake, or stubborn enough to never undo their mistake, is a totally different matter but the ACC would be better with North/South divisions.

I respect that POV. That said...

1) Why the heck would the ACC want Temple..? Sounds like you just want BC back.

2) There was no mistake made with the current alignment.

3) GT, FSU, Miami, and Clemson in the same division is a ticking "dissention" time bomb waiting to happen.

MongoSlade Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:I will reiterate again that the ACC needs to change its football divisions to a traditional North/South model and stop trying to force Florida State vs. Miami in hopes of getting a title game sellout. It has not happened so far and, quite obviously, will not become an annual occurance anytime in the near future. To prevent losing old rivalries, each team should have two permanent rivals from the opposite division (5-2-1), and then slowly rotate the other four foes from the opposite division. Put the title game in Charlotte where it will generate the biggest turnout and most loyal support.

EXAMPLE ACC NORTH

• BC / Maryland
  Virginia Tech / Virginia
  North Carolina / Duke

EXAMPLE ACC SOUTH

• Wake Forest / North Carolina State
  Clemson / Georgia Tech
  Florida State / Miami

Eventually it will also become clear that there is no reason for Boston College to remain in the ACC. Temple would provide just as big of a market, get the ACC a foothold in the Northeast as they wish, and is actually located in an adjoining state. Boston College must eventually realize they need to get back together with the Big East football schools in a league based in the Northeast. Whether they are intelligent enough to admit their mistake, or stubborn enough to never undo their mistake, is a totally different matter but the ACC would be better with North/South divisions.

I respect that POV. That said...

1) Why the heck would the ACC want Temple..? Sounds like you just want BC back.

2) There was no mistake made with the current alignment.

3) GT, FSU, Miami, and Clemson in the same division is a ticking "dissention" time bomb waiting to happen.

NC State should be in the north otherwise the southe would be very very loaded.

I am not saying it has to be changed, but really we should be playing Wake every year, unlike '05.

MongoSlade Wrote:I respect that POV. That said...

1) Why the heck would the ACC want Temple..? Sounds like you just want BC back.

2) There was no mistake made with the current alignment.

3) GT, FSU, Miami, and Clemson in the same division is a ticking "dissention" time bomb waiting to happen.

I want BC back if the Big East splits, but if the league stays together, I don't care what happens to BC. Temple would keep the ACC in the Northeast but is located in an adjoining state and already plays improving FBS level football under a new administration. Since it is unlikely BC would ever admit their mistake as it is, though, it doesn't matter and is only a minor point anyway.

Geographical divisions like every other normal conference has is a ticking "dissention" time bomb? Sounds like the ACC has more problems than anyone already thought possible. I could see switching the two pairs of Tobacco Road schools from the alignment I posted to try to get the divisions more even, strengthwise, but that is, once again, manipulation rather than development.

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

MongoSlade Wrote:I respect that POV. That said...

1) Why the heck would the ACC want Temple..? Sounds like you just want BC back.

2) There was no mistake made with the current alignment.

3) GT, FSU, Miami, and Clemson in the same division is a ticking "dissention" time bomb waiting to happen.

I want BC back if the Big East splits, but if the league stays together, I don't care what happens to BC. Temple would keep the ACC in the Northeast but is located in an adjoining state and already plays improving FBS level football under a new administration. Since it is unlikely BC would ever admit their mistake as it is, though, it doesn't matter and is only a minor point anyway.

Geographical divisions like every other normal conference has is a ticking "dissention" time bomb? Sounds like the ACC has more problems than anyone already thought possible. I could see switching the two pairs of Tobacco Road schools from the alignment I posted to try to get the divisions more even, strengthwise, but that is, once again, manipulation rather than development.

Lest we forget, the "hidden" force behind expansion was growing frustration with Florida State and Clemson about the direction of football in the conference. Put FSU, Clemson, GT and Miami together, and we'll have talk of a split within 10 years.

Same theory applies if you put Maryland, BC, VT, and UVa together as part of a northern alignment.

As I said, I respect your POV, but I believe the alignment is perfect as is.

MongoSlade Wrote:Lest we forget, the "hidden" force behind expansion was growing frustration with Florida State and Clemson about the direction of football in the conference. Put FSU, Clemson, GT and Miami together, and we'll have talk of a split within 10 years.

Same theory applies if you put Maryland, BC, VT, and UVa together as part of a northern alignment.

As I said, I respect your POV, but I believe the alignment is perfect as is.

Yeah. It is so perfect that most casual fans, and a whole lot of ACC fans for that matter, can't tell anyone which teams are in what divisions without first looking it up. The ACC can't split if the teams have nowhere to go so they are stuck with each other no matter what alignment they use. Awesome.

My point of ACC shuffling its divisions was to get the Carolina school's back together, ie put all 4 of them in the same division, they belong together and i think that would ease some of the tensions. Also, like Miami and BC in the same division. As for Temple...don't think the ACC would have any interest in Temple...my guess though is the acc would vote 11-0 zip to drop BC and add Rutgers if they could do that today. Yet, i don't see how they could make that switch. Hard to see BC bolting from the ACC anytime soon, only way it probably could happen would be if penn state left the big 10 first and joined up with other eastern football school's. Agree that putting mia, fsu, gt and clemson is same divison wouldn't work but nothing wrong with bc,mar,uva, and vtech being in the same division.

LUVECU Wrote:

MongoSlade Wrote:

bluesox Wrote:The ACC needs to fix or change their divisions...

No they don't -- the divisions are fine as they are. There's no need in us (ACC) to emulate the SEC model, which I find flawed anyway -- the fact that South Carolina and Arkansas are cross-division rivals is proof.

All of the ACC's cross-division rivals make sense.
UNC -- NC State (makes sense)
Duke - Wake Forest (makes sense)
Clemson - GT (makes sense)
FSU - Miami (makes sense)
VT - BC (makes sense)
Maryland - Virginia (makes sense)

Just add Rutgers (Atlantic) and UConn (Coastal), and we're set. :)

Who the f**k is "us"?????????

I think you need to get your priorities straight before you post as a so called "ECU supporter".

VERY good catch!!

PS. So...this thread attracted ACC fans complaining about how the ACC schedules their games....on a Big East board?