Boeheim has always been bad coach that had lots of talent, besides wine & make faces, what has he done

I have to defend Beoheim here. He's made three trips to the NCAA finals and countless sweet 16s at the the same school for his entire career. That's wht he's done. MOre than any coach at Temple in any sport.

never said all that NBA talent did not take him places

frogman Wrote:That's wht he's done. MOre than any coach at Temple in any sport.

I disagree. Jimmy's never threatened to kill anyone, wheras Temple's ex-coach did. Temple basketball will always have that accomplishment all over SU

Since you want to go this route, Chaney never dumped his wife for a trophy, he retired to be with his sick wife of 40 yrs. Cheney had more graduates in each starting 5, then huggins had in 13 yrs at Cin

KnightLight Wrote:

bitcruncher Wrote:UMass has always had good basketball teams. If they had a dominant football team, BC would be irrelevant in New England.

Say what?

Until Calipari arrived at UMASS, the school had only been to the NCAA "once" in their entire history ('62).

UMASS did make the NIT 6 times in the 70's (4 1st round losses, 2 second round losses), the 10 years prior to Calipari arriving at UMASS (1978-1979 to 1987-1988), UMASS Hoop program was the pits...as the program had 10 straight losing seasons...including 2 seasons where the team was "0-10 and 0-13" in conference play.

While Calipari was just 10-18 in his 1st season at UMASS...one could say the rest is history (2 straight NIT's...then 5 straight NCAA bids).

After Calipari left, UMASS hasn't made the NCAA's since the last of Calipari's recruits left the program. (FYI...starting in Calipari's 4th season as Coach at UMASS...he lead them to 5 straight NCAA Tournaments...including a Final Four in his last year at UMASS)...then Coach Flint got UMASS into the NCAA's in the 2 following years...both 1st round losses ('97 & '98).


Former UMASS Coach (Lappass) can be seen on TV because his UMASS teams earlier this decade were not very good (i.e. only 1 winning season out of 4...and had an overall record of 50-65 and only a 25-39 conf record during that time).

While Ford had a losing season overall during his 1st year at UMASS (.500 in conference), he has now lead them to back-to-back NIT bids.

$64,000 question will be......how long will he remain at UMASS till a school with a larger payrool comes calling?

Actually I would compare pre-Cal UMass to UConn basketball before Calhoun arrived. UMass may have even been better. You are not taking in consideration who was coaching. Duke would be marginal if not for Coach K.

The resources are there at UMass, but they are also there at LSU and South Carolina, who are prob watching Coach Ford very closely. I still think UMass can be big time again because it is prime location for NYC kids, they have a great, relatively new arena, and basketball is the prime sport there.

The thing about Travis Ford is he can have success without a big man or when he does have big men (Lasme and Freeman) he knows how to use them. I hope UMass is wise enough to pay him more money to stay because great coaches are hard to find. I hope he waits for the UK job to open up (however long that takes), shoot he could end up being the Mayor of Amherst if he stays!

MichaelSavage Wrote:UMass is nothing special. Ford should be gone by the end of this season to a better job.

Great sources, keep up the solid posting

bitcruncher Wrote:

MichaelSavage Wrote:UMass is nothing special. Ford should be gone by the end of this season to a better job.

True. UMass is nothing special. I never said they were.

However, UCF is less than nothing.

UCiF just talks a big game and folds on the court, diamond, pitch etc...

BTW...maybe someone remind our resident UCiF Court Jester that the reason UMASS tanked in the post Cal era was b/c they had to deal with NCAA violation mess Calipari left for them when he bolted for the NBA.

esayem Wrote:Actually I would compare pre-Cal UMass to UConn basketball before Calhoun arrived. UMass may have even been better.

That is simply an incorrect/ignorant statment. UConn had been to the NCAA tournament 13 times (including two Sweet Sixteens and an Elite Eight) before Calhoun arrived. UMass had been to the NCAA tournament exact ONE time (and lost in the 1st round in 1962) before Cal arrived.

Try again. Facts are a *****.

templefootballfan Wrote:Boeheim has always been bad coach that had lots of talent, besides wine & make faces, what has he done

Another ignorant statement. Reminds me of some of the stupid stuff people say about Calipari.

templefootballfan Wrote:Cheney had more graduates in each starting 5, then huggins had in 13 yrs at Cin

Probably handed those Bill Cosby honorary degrees

CyberBull Wrote:UMASS tanked in the post Cal era was b/c they had to deal with NCAA violation mess Calipari left for them when he bolted for the NBA.

Every clown knows that...as Marcus Camby (and Calipari to some extent) use to be a walking "billboards" for UMASS NCAA Violations.

FYI...UMASS tanked in the 80's too...without probation.

KnightLight Wrote:

CyberBull Wrote:UMASS tanked in the post Cal era was b/c they had to deal with NCAA violation mess Calipari left for them when he bolted for the NBA.

Every clown knows that...as Marcus Camby (and Calipari to some extent) use to be a walking "billboards" for UMASS NCAA Violations.

Yet another ignorant statement. Check the facts on Calipari. He was cleared of any wrongdoing. What Camby did was no different than what happened to a ton of other folks without the coach's knowledge. See Alabama and Gene Stallings. Nobody ever says anything about St. Gene.

happed to SAint Coach K too

3601 Wrote:

esayem Wrote:Actually I would compare pre-Cal UMass to UConn basketball before Calhoun arrived. UMass may have even been better.

That is simply an incorrect/ignorant statment. UConn had been to the NCAA tournament 13 times (including two Sweet Sixteens and an Elite Eight) before Calhoun arrived. UMass had been to the NCAA tournament exact ONE time (and lost in the 1st round in 1962) before Cal arrived.

Try again. Facts are a *****.

1st of all, into the 70's schools were turning down the NCAA for the NIT, did you know that?

2nd: Yankee Conference! HAHAHA! Yea what a freakin prestigious program. Yeah they went to the tourney when they were a mid-major, doesn't mean they were on the same level as they are now. I am pretty sure both school were in the same league, so maybe UConn was a little better but def not on another level.

Reality is a *****. 5 straight losing seasons in the 80's is what I recall.

esayem Wrote:

3601 Wrote:

esayem Wrote:Actually I would compare pre-Cal UMass to UConn basketball before Calhoun arrived. UMass may have even been better.

That is simply an incorrect/ignorant statment. UConn had been to the NCAA tournament 13 times (including two Sweet Sixteens and an Elite Eight) before Calhoun arrived. UMass had been to the NCAA tournament exact ONE time (and lost in the 1st round in 1962) before Cal arrived.

Try again. Facts are a *****.

1st of all, into the 70's schools were turning down the NCAA for the NIT, did you know that?

2nd: Yankee Conference! HAHAHA! Yea what a freakin prestigious program. Yeah they went to the tourney when they were a mid-major, doesn't mean they were on the same level as they are now. I am pretty sure both school were in the same league, so maybe UConn was a little better but def not on another level.

Reality is a *****. 5 straight losing seasons in the 80's is what I recall.

It happend every once in a while, but it was VERY RARE for teams to turn down the NCAA for the NIT in the 1970's. Al McGuire did it one year in protest. In reality, the NCAA had surpassed the NIT as far as the premeire postseason tournament in the 1950's. What tournament did Kansas and North Carolina play in 1957 when both were undefeated? Anyone who tells you that the NCAA didn't surpass the NIT in the 1950's is kidding themselves.

Cal took over a program that had suffered 10 straight losing seasons, had been to ONE NCAA tournament in history (a first round loss), and hadn't been to the postseaon in 12 seasons.

Dickhead took over a program that had suffered 4 (not five like you said) straight losing seasons, had been to the NCAA 12 times (including 2 Sweet Sixteens and an Elite Eight), and had been to the postseason just five years earlier.

Umass may have been the worst BB program in Division 1 when Cal took over. UConn wasn't great when Calhoun took over, but it was heads and shoulders above UMass. UMass was probably the 5th or 6th program in the state.

Okay, okay. UConn was in a little better shape, especially because they were in the Big East (even though they were a joke). All of those tourney bids came from UConn winning their conference (Yankee), that does not mean they were all that better of a program throughout the 50's and 60's. Dr. J, Rick Pitino, Jack Leaman, and of course our man, Al Skinner. UMass was in much worse shape in the 80's, I think I remember reading they were in like the late 200's of RPI or whatever they used then. Kudos to Cal. I am not ignorant of the situation, I just was looking at the schools at the time of the takeover. But I admit, UConn was better off, but I still think the programs are similar.