Jackson1011 Wrote:-- Hmm...I wonder if this is BE stuff was dropped to get the fans attention away from the staduim issue

Jackson

Possible...as probably the most respected Tiger poster (JMSTiger, who is affiliated with the school I believe), said in a CUSA thread about this rumor: "There is no truth to any of this. It is more lies put out by the hacks that run and fund our athletic department."

Now...TV news in Memphis just dropped this bombshell just 9 hours after some committe rejected UM's on-campus stadium proposal (even though the public has yet to see the feasibility study):



County to sell land "under Liberty Bowl" to city for 4.3 million

Just on Fox news:

There will be a resolution introduced tomorrow to sell the county's interest in the Pyramid and The MidSouth Coliseum as well as its interest in the land under The Liberty Bowl to the City of Memphis for 4.3 million dollars.

As some Memphis fans have said...Whats the RUSH??

Something seems to be getting "railroaded" on the fast track...and obviously its not to the benefit of Univ of Memphis.

Just a couple questions here:

1. Why would Calipari allow this to happen. What does he have to gain by going to the Big East. He has a free pass to a #1 seed and every home game is a sellout.

2. Fedex has no control over what teams is the home team when it comes to the Orange Bowl. There is an Orange Bowl committee like there is for every other bowl and while Fedex is a great sponsor, they are not the first sponsor of the Orange Bowl, and most likely will not be the last. The Orange Bowl will do what is best for them and making the Big East the home team is risky considering the ACC is much closer to home.

3. Fedex, what do they have to do with the Liberty Bowl? Last time I checked, it was AutoZone. Someone should ask they what they think of the relationship. It is doubtful Memphis will be making the Liberty Bowl anytime soon.

4. Does the Big East really want another team that can't seem to build an on campus stadium? The Liberty Bowl is a dump, no one will argue that.

Memphis is a basketball school, does the big east really need another one? More power to both if it works out, but it is funny to watch all you big east fans bash CUSA football, then jump for joy when thinking about taking the fifth best team from that conference and a team that got waxed by Florida Atlantic.

KnightLight Wrote:County to sell land "under Liberty Bowl" to city for 4.3 million

Just on Fox news:

There will be a resolution introduced tomorrow to sell the county's interest in the Pyramid and The MidSouth Coliseum as well as its interest in the land under The Liberty Bowl to the City of Memphis for 4.3 million dollars.

As some Memphis fans have said...Whats the RUSH??

Something seems to be getting "railroaded" on the fast track...and obviously its not to the benefit of Univ of Memphis.

What does that signify? Why does it matter whether it's city owned or county owned?

I don't know the meaning of it, but I will tell you that Memphis is only behind New Orleans in corruption when it comes to government. I would think getting the County to own it has to be better than the City.

Thanks, I didn't get the FedEx reference.

buckaineer Wrote:Why would a bb only school have to be added if Memphis was added?

Memphis has a top bb team which no doubt would like to be playing bb with the bb onlies as well as the all-sports. I can't understand why the bb onlies would shun a team because they also have football.

17 is pretty big though

Throughout the history of the Big East, the big thing has been the balance in voting between the all-sports schools and the non-D1-A football schools. This is due to the fact that the interests of the football schools and the interests of the BB-only schools are slightly different. The BB-only schools would NEVER allow the football schools to have more numbers (i.e. Memphis being added would make 9 football schools to 8 BB-only schools) because then when the conference has votes on TV deals and other things, they won't be equally represented.

South Tampa Knight Wrote:1. Why would Calipari allow this to happen. What does he have to gain by going to the Big East. He has a free pass to a #1 seed and every home game is a sellout.

The only reason they will have a #1 seed is b/c he busted his ass to create a ridiculous OOC schedule to make up for the incredibly weak C-USA schedule. I think Memphis would jump at the chance to play in the Big East and be able to play some easier games OOC. Plus his recruiting would become far easier.

That being said, as an old-time Big East fan, adding Memphis seems to be straying a bit too far...but I know you've got to roll with the changes. I think I'm only in favor of Memphis if there's a split. I just don't see the benefit right now and I certainly don't see it passing by the presidents of the BB-only schools.

That makes sense Orange, but CUSA will improve its basketball. UAB and Houston both show promise and UCF will continue to improve now that we are out of our high school gym. CUSA will never be the Big East in basketball, nor come close, but Memphis will never have a problem scheduling teams.

The Big East has had football school majority before.

Jackson1011 Wrote:-- Hmm...I wonder if this is BE stuff was dropped to get the fans attention away from the staduim issue

Jackson

Ding! Ding! Ding! This is another feeble effort by the fools ruining our athletic department to pull the wool over our eyes. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

esayem Wrote:If Memphis joins I expect a split. One other thing could be possible: Two seperate conferences that join as one for football.

Big East
St. John's
Syracuse
Providence
Georgetown
Rutgers
UConn
Seton Hall
Villanova
Pitt

New Conference
Notre Dame
West Virginia
Louisville
Cincinnati
South Florida
Memphis
DePaul
Marquette
St. Louis

They look pretty equal. Obviously the schools would have a more flexable non-conference slate so they could schedule eachother and also schools with nothing in common wouldn't be forced to play eg. Providence and South Florida would not have to play.

This has got to be the dumbest idea in a long run of dumb ideas from you.

esayem Wrote:The Big East has had football school majority before.

No. It hasn't. Look it up.

Is everyone in Carolina this stupid, or is it just you?

VaTech, BC, Miami, Pitt, Rutgers, WVU, Syracuse, and UConn was moving up.

SJU, Georgetown, Providence, SHU, ND, Villanova

You sir, are an idiot.

Orange Eagles Wrote:

South Tampa Knight Wrote:1. Why would Calipari allow this to happen. What does he have to gain by going to the Big East. He has a free pass to a #1 seed and every home game is a sellout.

The only reason they will have a #1 seed is b/c he busted his ass to create a ridiculous OOC schedule to make up for the incredibly weak C-USA schedule. I think Memphis would jump at the chance to play in the Big East and be able to play some easier games OOC. Plus his recruiting would become far easier.

Actually...scheduling non-conf games for Memphis is getting easier and easier...as all big non-conf games go straight to NATIONAL TV Coverage...and even a loss to Memphis will probably help most team's RPI.

Most top schools have and many more will agree to home-home games with Memphis...and the advantage for Calipari is he is able to schedule them NATIONWIDE...from California/Arizona to Connecticut and DC.

Calipari is in a weird situation...as he can easily schedule 7-8 very good non-conf games each year...dominate CUSA...and mostly likely end up with a #1 or #2 seed (at worst).

Obviously no one in the tough Big East Conference could ever get a virtual (obviously not totally guarantee but best shot at a sure thing) annual guarantee like that.

As I stated over on the Memphis Board...if Calipari ever let a STRONG VOICE to UM fans desires for an on-campus football stadium...in 2-3 years...it would be done.

Calipari gets virtually anything he wants (believe he drives an University paid for Porche SUV or did 2 years ago) and access to private jets for recruiting purposes.

If Calipari wants to play a National Schedule...and remain in CUSA...that's what Memphis will do.

I've said several times that I think Memphis' hoop recruiting would only improve if they moved to the Big East...but even with a better player or two...still no guarantee that Memphis would dominate the Big East every year...and most likely would lose some of their national non-conf games (due to a much tougher conference schedule).

esayem Wrote:VaTech, BC, Miami, Pitt, Rutgers, WVU, Syracuse, and UConn was moving up.

SJU, Georgetown, Providence, SHU, ND, Villanova

You sir, are an idiot.

You are correct, but you have the teams wrong. In 2003, the BE had Temple in the League, which made it 8 fb schools and 6 bb schools. Uconn was not a fb playing member and Temple was not a bb member. But we did have more fb schools than bb schools then.

cuseroc Wrote:

esayem Wrote:VaTech, BC, Miami, Pitt, Rutgers, WVU, Syracuse, and UConn was moving up.

SJU, Georgetown, Providence, SHU, ND, Villanova

You sir, are an idiot.

You are correct, but you have the teams wrong. In 2003, the BE had Temple in the League, which made it 8 fb schools and 6 bb schools. Uconn was not a fb playing member and Temple was not a bb member. But we did have more fb schools than bb schools then.

But it's still true that the BE never had a football voting majority. Temple, as a football-only member, didn't have full voting rights and UConn wasn't up to D1-A yet and therefore still was a BB school. UConn moved up early to accomodate the loss of Miami and VT.

Orange Eagles Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

esayem Wrote:VaTech, BC, Miami, Pitt, Rutgers, WVU, Syracuse, and UConn was moving up.

SJU, Georgetown, Providence, SHU, ND, Villanova

You sir, are an idiot.

You are correct, but you have the teams wrong. In 2003, the BE had Temple in the League, which made it 8 fb schools and 6 bb schools. Uconn was not a fb playing member and Temple was not a bb member. But we did have more fb schools than bb schools then.

But it's still true that the BE never had a football voting majority. Temple, as a football-only member, didn't have full voting rights and UConn wasn't up to D1-A yet and therefore still was a BB school. UConn moved up early to accomodate the loss of Miami and VT.

Correct, the football schools have technically never had more voting members than bb members on league issues.

When Miami first joined, it was 6-4 in favor of the bb schools.

Then when ND, WVU, and RU joined in the mid-90s, it was 7-6 in favor the bb schools.

Then when VT finally got in, it was 7-7.

Now obviously, UConn having made the financial commitment to go from 1-AA to 1-A would have likely voted with the football schools on key issues, but it is inaccurate to say that the football schools had a majority before - at least in terms of voting majority on league issues.

Cheers,
Neil

This is a totally off topic reply to Orange Eagles. I just noticed that you list your location as Lakewood/Medford. My mom lives in Pine Beach and I have a cousin in Brick, so I often drive right through that area. When I was doing some post-graduate work at Penn (early '90's), I would make the drive along SR 70 through the forest about once a month. I was just back there in November and it's amazing how much the area has grown in the intevening years.

Anyway, I just saw your location and it brought back a few memories.

USFFan

KnightLight Wrote:

Orange Eagles Wrote:

South Tampa Knight Wrote:1. Why would Calipari allow this to happen. What does he have to gain by going to the Big East. He has a free pass to a #1 seed and every home game is a sellout.

The only reason they will have a #1 seed is b/c he busted his ass to create a ridiculous OOC schedule to make up for the incredibly weak C-USA schedule. I think Memphis would jump at the chance to play in the Big East and be able to play some easier games OOC. Plus his recruiting would become far easier.

Actually...scheduling non-conf games for Memphis is getting easier and easier...as all big non-conf games go straight to NATIONAL TV Coverage...and even a loss to Memphis will probably help most team's RPI.

Most top schools have and many more will agree to home-home games with Memphis...and the advantage for Calipari is he is able to schedule them NATIONWIDE...from California/Arizona to Connecticut and DC.

Calipari is in a weird situation...as he can easily schedule 7-8 very good non-conf games each year...dominate CUSA...and mostly likely end up with a #1 or #2 seed (at worst).

Obviously no one in the tough Big East Conference could ever get a virtual (obviously not totally guarantee but best shot at a sure thing) annual guarantee like that.

As I stated over on the Memphis Board...if Calipari ever let a STRONG VOICE to UM fans desires for an on-campus football stadium...in 2-3 years...it would be done.

Calipari gets virtually anything he wants (believe he drives an University paid for Porche SUV or did 2 years ago) and access to private jets for recruiting purposes.

If Calipari wants to play a National Schedule...and remain in CUSA...that's what Memphis will do.

I've said several times that I think Memphis' hoop recruiting would only improve if they moved to the Big East...but even with a better player or two...still no guarantee that Memphis would dominate the Big East every year...and most likely would lose some of their national non-conf games (due to a much tougher conference schedule).

Honestly, you're a clown. Running over here to post our battles with local govt doesn't make your school look better, a$$hole.


How about you stick to your school and stop trying to "educate" people about our Coach and program?

usffan Wrote:This is a totally off topic reply to Orange Eagles. I just noticed that you list your location as Lakewood/Medford. My mom lives in Pine Beach and I have a cousin in Brick, so I often drive right through that area. When I was doing some post-graduate work at Penn (early '90's), I would make the drive along SR 70 through the forest about once a month. I was just back there in November and it's amazing how much the area has grown in the intevening years.

Anyway, I just saw your location and it brought back a few memories.

USFFan

Wow, that's crazy. I grew up in Medford (which is just outside Philly) and went to school at 'Cuse and then was working in NYC for 8 months after I graduated, but I just got a job working with the Phillies affiliate (Lakewood BlueClaws). I have free housing right now in Lakewood, but home is only an hour away, so I'm sort of living in two places right now.

You're right, though, there is a lot of new development around here on Rt. 70 (which will take you straight through my town and into Philly).

buckaineer Wrote:Why would a bb only school have to be added if Memphis was added?

Memphis has a top bb team which no doubt would like to be playing bb with the bb onlies as well as the all-sports. I can't understand why the bb onlies would shun a team because they also have football.

17 is pretty big though

If ever team played each other once, we would have 16 conference games and 8 in football. Split stopped, problems solved.

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:The basketball side isn't going to lose control to the football side. The only way I see this happening would be to go to 18 teams. You would need a basketball school (Xavier, George Mason, Charlotte, etc) and then Memphis. I would say this is a long shot.

Most likely it will be status quo until the T.V contract is up and then a possible split of the league.

You would hate this because it dooms you to CUSA forever!

South Tampa Knight Wrote:Just a couple questions here:

1. Why would Calipari allow this to happen. What does he have to gain by going to the Big East. He has a free pass to a #1 seed and every home game is a sellout.

2. Fedex has no control over what teams is the home team when it comes to the Orange Bowl. There is an Orange Bowl committee like there is for every other bowl and while Fedex is a great sponsor, they are not the first sponsor of the Orange Bowl, and most likely will not be the last. The Orange Bowl will do what is best for them and making the Big East the home team is risky considering the ACC is much closer to home.

3. Fedex, what do they have to do with the Liberty Bowl? Last time I checked, it was AutoZone. Someone should ask they what they think of the relationship. It is doubtful Memphis will be making the Liberty Bowl anytime soon.

4. Does the Big East really want another team that can't seem to build an on campus stadium? The Liberty Bowl is a dump, no one will argue that.

Memphis is a basketball school, does the big east really need another one? More power to both if it works out, but it is funny to watch all you big east fans bash CUSA football, then jump for joy when thinking about taking the fifth best team from that conference and a team that got waxed by Florida Atlantic.

This sure ruint your day!