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Fanatical Wrote:They've built and maintained superhighways pretty well

States are responsible for those.
03-04-2008 01:29 PM
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Machiavelli Wrote:If is a part of my compensation. Am I paying for my retirement? I think so. It's a part of my compensation. AmI paying for my dental? Yes!

Your employer pays for a portion of your health insurance. This is beneficial to them. Companies should be out of it PERIOD. I should be able to pick up a phone book and shop for my own insurance company. Not have my HR person tell me I have an HMO or PPO to choose from from the same company. The only benefit is that it's pre-tax. ...which is another problem. We need to go the the Fair Tax.
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the other Greg Childers Wrote:Better yet, let's use the conservative/libertarian philosophy of letting corporate America of dictating everything because we all know what a bang-up job they do.

Government involvement in the private sector only screws up the economy. We have decades of evidence that shows it.

I know it's fashionable for liberals to bash "corporate America" but the fact is "corporate America" employs millions of Americans, pays them a salary and benefits so they can go out and participate in the economy by buying goods and services.

The government could only dream about functioning as well as "corporate America" does. If it did you'd have government half the size it is now doing the job twice as good.
I am sure that all the people who have dies because they weren't able to get healthcare insurance or were declined an operation because it is too expensive and would hurt the corporations bottom line would disagree with how well corporate run healthcare better than the government. As for employment, sure they do. But many jobs that are vitally important for the country(ie manufacturing) to keep it strong are outsourced or given to illegals at a much lower wage dragging down wages for all in those jobs. The new jobs replacing those manufacturing jobs are either lower wage warehouse(also loaded with illegals), retail and burger flippers(which I heard is actually counted as a manufacturing job). The country can't survive living on those wages. It really hurst the family(which is one of the vitally important areas you Repugs campaign on) because both parents have to work and one probably has to work 2 jobs so they have no time to spend as a family.
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Quote:Have you guys even looked at what your employer pays for your health insurance? We have a consortium and 12,000 is below avg. National Avg. is over 15,000.

Why would I look at what my employeer pays? I only care about what I pay.
03-04-2008 02:21 PM
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Why would I care what my employee pays.........Where do you think that money comes from the sky???? Why do you think an American car costs 2000 dollars more on avg?
03-04-2008 04:00 PM
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Machiavelli Wrote:Why would I care what my employee pays.........Where do you think that money comes from the sky???? Why do you think an American car costs 2000 dollars more on avg?

There are incentives for employers to provide or pay for a portion of an employee's healthcare.
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the other Greg Childers Wrote:Better yet, let's use the conservative/libertarian philosophy of letting corporate America of dictating everything because we all know what a bang-up job they do.

They do a great job and it's easier to control corporate America, as a citizen, than the government.

This is the argument that statists and expecially socialists cant stand....Citizens control the free market by "stopping doing business with those that we dislike for ANY reason"...Citizens have NO control over the government...You CANT stop doing business with them unless you wish to have someone with a gun come and visit you.
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I'm still pissed at you Reb, I hope you had a shtty B-Day too.
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Machiavelli Wrote:Why would I care what my employee pays.........Where do you think that money comes from the sky???? Why do you think an American car costs 2000 dollars more on avg?

No clue, I don't buy American cars.
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Machiavelli Wrote:Why would I care what my employee pays.........Where do you think that money comes from the sky???? Why do you think an American car costs 2000 dollars more on avg?

No clue, I don't buy American cars.

Same here. Thank God for Honda.

As for the whole health care discussion, you should see how the majority of patients take care of themselves. I'd say a good 85% of the patients that I see do absolutely nothing to prevent any health problems, and a majority of those are the ones w/o insurance because they'd rather buy a pack of cigs a day instead of saving for their health insurance.
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the other Greg Childers Wrote:That must be why we've reigned in Microsoft so well.

03-lmfao

Reigned in Microsoft? What do you mean reign them in? A private company you want to see controlled by government, Der Fuehrer?

Don't like Microsoft, you have a choice:

Ubuntu Linux
Suse Linux
Redhat Linux
FreeBSD
Unix
Apple
Gentoo Linux
Mandrake Linux

...shall I go on?

And corporate America is lining up one after another to use them too.

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Fo Shizzle Wrote:
the other Greg Childers Wrote:Better yet, let's use the conservative/libertarian philosophy of letting corporate America of dictating everything because we all know what a bang-up job they do.

Please name 1 thing that the government does well or a problem it has solved?

The space program alone has come up with some of the greatest technological advances of the 20th century.
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Fo Shizzle Wrote:ONLY government creates monopolies....Monopolies can NOT exist in a totally free market economy.

That is the biggest load of crap I've heard in a long time.
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RE: Challenging the notion that America is "center-right"
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RebelKev Wrote:
the other Greg Childers Wrote:Better yet, let's use the conservative/libertarian philosophy of letting corporate America of dictating everything because we all know what a bang-up job they do.

They do a great job and it's easier to control corporate America, as a citizen, than the government.

This is the argument that statists and expecially socialists cant stand....Citizens control the free market by "stopping doing business with those that we dislike for ANY reason"...Citizens have NO control over the government...You CANT stop doing business with them unless you wish to have someone with a gun come and visit you.

Or voting. You forget that one.
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Fanatical Wrote:They've built and maintained superhighways pretty well

States are responsible for those.

The Interstate system is Federal.
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the other Greg Childers Wrote:And corporate America is lining up one after another to use them too.

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.....says the guy who probably knows nothing about business and even less about operating systems. Linux is quickly becoming the fastest growing server OS out there.
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RebelKev Wrote:
Fanatical Wrote:They've built and maintained superhighways pretty well

States are responsible for those.

The Interstate system is Federal.

....but not maintained by the federal government. You might want to reread the exchange. ...unless you think there's an army of USDOT trucks rolling down the interstate.
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RE: Challenging the notion that America is "center-right"
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Fo Shizzle Wrote:ONLY government creates monopolies....Monopolies can NOT exist in a totally free market economy.

That is the biggest load of crap I've heard in a long time.

Monopolies are illegal per the Sherman Antitrust Act. Show me a privately-owned monopoly.
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RebelKev Wrote:
the other Greg Childers Wrote:
Fo Shizzle Wrote:ONLY government creates monopolies....Monopolies can NOT exist in a totally free market economy.

That is the biggest load of crap I've heard in a long time.

Monopolies are illegal per the Sherman Antitrust Act. Show me a privately-owned monopoly.

The load of crap is "Monopolies can NOT exist in a totally free market economy". Obviously they can, and so we have the Sherman Antitrust Act.
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the other Greg Childers Wrote:And corporate America is lining up one after another to use them too.

01-wingedeagle

.....says the guy who probably knows nothing about business and even less about operating systems. Linux is quickly becoming the fastest growing server OS out there.

I work as a contract corporate IT Trainer, and could proabably buy you out three times over.
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