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Challenging the notion that America is "center-right"
A plurality of Americans are pro-choice.

http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm

A plurality of Americans believe guns laws should be more restrictive.

http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm

A majority of Americans believe there is not enough government regulation to protect the environment.

http://www.pollingreport.com/enviro.htm

A majority of Americans believe that same-sex couples should be allowed to have legally recognized civil unions.

http://www.pollingreport.com/civil.htm

A majority of Americans believe that amnesty should be offered to illegal immigrants.

http://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm

A majority of Americans disapprove of the war in Iraq.

http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm




On the major issues that separate the parties, Americans are center-left.
02-29-2008 11:19 AM
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What Republican's do a great job is identifying the number one issue among people. Pro-Life is the number one issue with some people. It trumps all others. They conjure up a host of issues, highlight em during the campaign and then don't do crapola for em during their tenure. Think Gay Marriage, gun lobby, and abortion.
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Machiavelli Wrote:What Republican's do a great job is identifying the number one issue among people. Pro-Life is the number one issue with some people. It trumps all others. They conjure up a host of issues, highlight em during the campaign and then don't do crapola for em during their tenure. Think Gay Marriage, gun lobby, and abortion.

And that differs from Democrats and national health care, gun control, etc. how?
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Because the majority of American's want some form of nationilized health care.
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Machiavelli Wrote:Because the majority of American's want some form of nationilized health care.

If you observe your neighbor over-fertilizing his lawn, and after a few days his lawn dies, what possesses you to get the idea that you can do the same thing with different results?
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Machiavelli Wrote:Because the majority of American's want some form of nationilized health care.

No, you mentioned that Republicans get their constituents all worked up about abortion, et. al. and then don't do anything about it. I say that the democrats do the same thing with national health care, et. al. In that sense, there is no difference.
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Machiavelli Wrote:Because the majority of American's want some form of nationilized health care.

Thanks for validating the ignorance and stupitiy of the majority of Americans.
03-02-2008 09:27 PM
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Fo Shizzle Wrote:Thanks for validating the ignorance and stupitiy of the majority of Americans.

To be honest, one part of me wants to see Mach lose his ass on stocks. Let's see what happens when he invests in "governmentized" stocks. How about that?

Oh, government is great, ....for ...............well, I'm at a lost of words. Liberals are idiots anyways. They want government control of everything.....then ***** about the government. Maybe it's masochistic.
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Better yet, let's use the conservative/libertarian philosophy of letting corporate America of dictating everything because we all know what a bang-up job they do.
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the other Greg Childers Wrote:Better yet, let's use the conservative/libertarian philosophy of letting corporate America of dictating everything because we all know what a bang-up job they do.

They do a great job and it's easier to control corporate America, as a citizen, than the government.
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the other Greg Childers Wrote:Better yet, let's use the conservative/libertarian philosophy of letting corporate America of dictating everything because we all know what a bang-up job they do.

They do a great job and it's easier to control corporate America, as a citizen, than the government.

That must be why we've reigned in Microsoft so well.

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the other Greg Childers Wrote:Better yet, let's use the conservative/libertarian philosophy of letting corporate America of dictating everything because we all know what a bang-up job they do.

Government involvement in the private sector only screws up the economy. We have decades of evidence that shows it.

I know it's fashionable for liberals to bash "corporate America" but the fact is "corporate America" employs millions of Americans, pays them a salary and benefits so they can go out and participate in the economy by buying goods and services.

The government could only dream about functioning as well as "corporate America" does. If it did you'd have government half the size it is now doing the job twice as good.
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Next we'll outsource the military to the lowest bidder. We'll have profit & loss discussions on which countries to attack. Security will be implemented according to cost vs. "acceptable losses."

No thank you. Corporate America has more than it's share of screw-ups. We lost the trade balance with the rest of the world back in the 1980s.
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Honestly,


There are things the govt. does very well and things private companies do a horrible job of. How in the world we have people making profits from denial of care. We have insurance companies that reward people for denying care. HELLO! That's a problem. Did anyone watch 60 minutes last night? We have a national health problem right now. We spend more for health care than anyone else. We have a huge middle man who has little to do with the actual care process. It's f'd up. It's not working and AMERICA deserves better.
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the other Greg Childers Wrote:Next we'll outsource the military to the lowest bidder.

Why would we do that? That's actually one way government helps the economy. Defense contracting brings billions into the economy every year.

Quote:We'll have profit & loss discussions on which countries to attack.

If we go into colonization mode again.

Quote:Security will be implemented according to cost vs. "acceptable losses."

News flash, those conversations go on today. Just as any military person.

Quote:No thank you. Corporate America has more than it's share of screw-ups. We lost the trade balance with the rest of the world back in the 1980s.

Government has twice as many. If the choice is letting the free market decide vs. the government, I'll take the free market anyday.
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Machiavelli Wrote:There are things the govt. does very well and things private companies do a horrible job of.

I.e.?

Quote:How in the world we have people making profits from denial of care. We have insurance companies that reward people for denying care. HELLO! That's a problem. Did anyone watch 60 minutes last night? We have a national health problem right now. We spend more for health care than anyone else. We have a huge middle man who has little to do with the actual care process. It's f'd up. It's not working and AMERICA deserves better.

If this is your argument for government run health care I invite you to the thread about Canada' healthcare system that's on here as well.

Healthcare is screwed up but it's because very little capitalism is in it. There's no competition. You ever asked yourself why a hotel room costs $300 less than hospital room? Healthcare providers should be forced to compete like any other service industry.

Competition is the cure for the healthcare woes in this country.
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the other Greg Childers Wrote:That must be why we've reigned in Microsoft so well.

03-lmfao

Reigned in Microsoft? What do you mean reign them in? A private company you want to see controlled by government, Der Fuehrer?

Don't like Microsoft, you have a choice:

Ubuntu Linux
Suse Linux
Redhat Linux
FreeBSD
Unix
Apple
Gentoo Linux
Mandrake Linux

...shall I go on?
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Any private chemical company that are now superfund sites. Here's one out of recent history. Blackwater, we have juiced up Marlboro Men who have no regard for the Geneva Conventions running around Iraq making the JOB of our civilian military much harder, There are many examples and quotes of this.

Now what's funny I do see how market forces can bring certain medical procedures down. Look at Lasik's. There's competition and most insurances won't cover it so the price of it went way down, but if you have cancer. There's no alternative for cancer. Poor people could just go and get glasses. There is no poor option for cancer treatments. I'm sorry. There are MANY WORKING POOR in our country who deserve better. Hell, we all deserve a better functioning govt. and a health care system. I'm paying 12,000 dollars a year for Health Care. It's ridiculus.
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Machiavelli Wrote:I'm paying 12,000 dollars a year for Health Care. It's ridiculus.

I thought you were a teacher?
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Machiavelli Wrote:Any private chemical company that are now superfund sites. Here's one out of recent history. Blackwater, we have juiced up Marlboro Men who have no regard for the Geneva Conventions running around Iraq making the JOB of our civilian military much harder, There are many examples and quotes of this.

Ah yes, the infamous Blackwater folks. I was amused to see that hysteria even made it into the new Knight Rider series, only they cleverly called them Black River. They are a small private security firm. They're not indicative of corporate America. Bank of America, Microsoft, Dupont, GM, Ford, At&T and countless others employ millions in this country. I love how libs demonize them because of one private security firm that they've latched onto as their next Halliburton.

Quote:Now what's funny I do see how market forces can bring certain medical procedures down. Look at Lasik's. There's competition and most insurances won't cover it so the price of it went way down,

My insurance covers Lasik. That's not the only procedures that have gone down. Numerous plastic surgeries have gone down as well. Why? Competition.

Quote:but if you have cancer. There's no alternative for cancer.

There should be. Hospitals should be forced to compete for cancer treatments. For the cost of beds, for the cost to deliver a child, for the cost to perform heart surgery and all other medical procedures.

Quote:Poor people could just go and get glasses. There is no poor option for cancer treatments. I'm sorry.

No poor person can be denied care for cancer. If you walked into the hospital tomorrow sick with cancer they cannot turn you away because you can't afford it. That's the scare tactic libs love to use. No one in this country can legally be denied healthcare.

Quote:There are MANY WORKING POOR in our country who deserve better. Hell, we all deserve a better functioning govt. and a health care system. I'm paying 12,000 dollars a year for Health Care. It's ridiculus.

I don't disagree. But putting a dysfunctional government in charge of a dysfunctional healthcare system isn't the right answer. It's just a receipie for more dysfunction.
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