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Tampa Tribune: USF Takes Control Of Athlete Academics
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Probably best for all of USF Sports...even if Leavitt disagrees with it. Just seems a little odd that it took this Wilcox guy over 5 years to make these "common sense" changes at USF.
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USF Takes Control Of Athlete Academics

By ADAM EMERSON and BRETT McMURPHY, The Tampa Tribune

Published: February 5, 2008

TAMPA - The University of South Florida has reined in the control its Athletic Department has long held over the scholastic lives of student-athletes.

Concerned over the weakening academic progress of its players, especially those in football and basketball, the university has recently revoked much of the discretion coaches had in recruiting athletes with poor grades and test scores.

And mindful of past scandals that embarrassed other college programs, the school, beginning last semester, barred Athletic Department employees from teaching student-athletes and blocked their access to student records.

Specifically:

•A newly formed academic committee summoned USF's heralded head football coach, Jim Leavitt, late last week to discuss the admissions status of some of his recruits before National Signing Day on Wednesday, and shared whether the committee would deny admission to some of his prospects or accept them with conditions.

•One week before school started in August, USF Provost Ralph Wilcox issued an urgent order prohibiting Athletic Department employees from teaching classes where student-athletes are enrolled, according to e-mail obtained recently by The Tampa Tribune under the state's open records law. Administrators reassigned nine students to other classes.

•Just days before the start of fall classes, USF's undergraduate studies division took oversight of the academic support network for student-athletes. For years, the Athletic Department controlled that network, which consists of academic advisers, tutors and "class checkers," who typically are students who ensure athletes attend class.

Despite the urgency of those moves, Wilcox and other university leaders say they found no academic misconduct in the Athletic Department, nor did they suspect any. Rather, Wilcox said he grew alarmed that a number of academic advisers were teaching student-athletes.

"That was absolutely inappropriate," said Wilcox, who helped reform athletic programs plagued by scandals at the University of Memphis and the University of Houston before coming to USF in 2002. "They're employees in the Athletic Department, and the coaches make it known to those advisers in no uncertain terms that their job is to keep these young men and women eligible to compete in athletics."

As administrators moved student-athletes out from under the instruction of Athletic Department employees, Wilcox and other academic leaders took official oversight of the athletic Academic Enrichment Center.

The enrichment center, housed in the university's athletic center, employs about 50 tutors, academic coaches and class checkers. There are also several academic advisers who map out an athlete's academic support.

All of that used to report to the athletic director.

The sudden priority of these moves can be seen in a string of e-mail among USF officials.

On Aug. 21, a note went out to the Athletic Department asking for a list of all of its employees to spot those who were teaching student-athletes.

That same day, Wilcox ordered that practice be stopped. On Aug. 24, employees in the Academic Enrichment Center learned that the university's academic side would take oversight of their operations.

Three days later, school started.

USF is not alone in making these changes. Other colleges and universities have made them during the past few years. "It makes sense academically, as well as ethically," said Richard Lapchick, who directs the sports business program at the University of Central Florida.

Head Coaches 'Need To Understand'

USF leaders say that no one incident prompted the changes, but the university will learn this spring whether it faces sanctions by the National Collegiate Athletic Association because of the poor academic performance of many athletes.

"My interest, and the university's higher interest, should always be: Are we ensuring that students are progressing toward their degree, rather than simply remaining eligible," Wilcox said in an interview last week.

Fewer than half of USF's football and basketball players are on track to graduate, according to reports compiled by the NCAA to survey an athletic program's academic success.

USF's programs have not been sanctioned, but that could change this year, and the NCAA could restrict the number of scholarships USF awards to players if their performance fails to improve.

That, in turn, could make it harder to recruit top students.

Exceptions Made

Toward the end of last semester, the university formed a committee of five faculty members to examine the special exceptions made for prospective student-athletes who don't meet the university's or the state university system's standard admissions requirements, which are higher than the NCAA qualifying standards.

The average high school grade-point average of freshmen who entered USF this fall was 3.71. Student-athletes had an average 3.23 GPA. For football players, it was 2.75.

Special admissions aren't just reserved for student-athletes at USF, but student-athletes historically have had a much greater chance at getting an exception, particularly football players.

Eleven of 18 new football players at USF last summer and fall, or 61 percent, were admitted as an exception to the state university system's admission standards, according to university records. About 26 percent of all new student-athletes, including football players, got an exception for last summer and fall.

By comparison, 49 nonathletes - less than 1 percent of the more than 12,000 accepted to USF last summer and fall - received an exception to state standards.

In Leavitt's 11 seasons as USF's football coach, getting recruits admitted was easy.

Leavitt and his staff would recruit the state's best players, even if they had not met the NCAA's initial eligibility requirements, and they would sign on National Signing Day each February. Then, if the recruits met the NCAA's qualifying mark later that year, they would apply for admission to USF.

"We've gotten every one in," Leavitt said before this season.

But now, the committee decides the admission status of recruits who are academically at-risk.

Wilcox said the idea is to bring coaches in just before players sign their letter of intent to play for USF. If the student is denied admission, the coach can tell the athlete to make other plans, Wilcox said.

"I think we owe it to the coach, we owe it to the prospective student-athlete, to tell them that the University of South Florida might not be the place for you," Wilcox said.

Leavitt, who has led his team to three consecutive bowl games, appeared before the committee Thursday, six days before National Signing Day when most high school football players sign their letters of intent to play for their chosen university.

Neither Wilcox nor Leellen Brigman, USF's associate vice president for enrollment planning and management, would say whether they denied admission to any of Leavitt's recruits. The committee hasn't formally told Leavitt the status of his recruits, Brigman said. She said, however, that coaches can usually "project what may happen."

Whatever the outcome, under university policy, there is no appeal.

Leavitt declined to comment Monday.

However, men's basketball coach Stan Heath, women's basketball coach Jose Fernandez, baseball coach Lelo Prado and softball coach Ken Eriksen all said they favor the new committee.

"If I know I have to go before the committee with a kid, I more than likely will discontinue the recruiting of that individual," said Eriksen.

Reporter Adam Emerson can be reached at (813) 259-8285 or aemerson@tampatrib.com.

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I applaud USF's administration for taking the necessary steps it deems necessary to address their student-athlete concerns. I assume that UCF already has similar guidelines in place.

Interestingly, in the latest graduation rates studies by the NCAA looking at the 00-01 freshman class, 58% of the general student population at UCF graduated while 47% of its athletes graduated. The football players grad rate was 46%.

At USF in the same study, only 49% of the general student population went on to graduate whereas the athletes graduated at 55%. The football players in this study had a grad rate of 61%. The bb graduation rate was worse.

I'd be interested in hearing from some Bulls' fans as to what has happened since the 00-01 freshman class that has the administration concerned over the last few years freshman classes.

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omnicarrier Wrote:I'd be interested in hearing from some Bulls' fans as to what has happened since the 00-01 freshman class that has the administration concerned over the last few years freshman classes.

Cheers,
Neil

Not sure if it was folks in the USF Admission Dept that finally got fed up of Leavitt being able to go over their heads to get his players admitted to school even without qualifications...but I think a sign popped up over a year ago when the Orlando Sentinel wrote a feature article back in Aug 2006 on how over a 5 year period...39 USF signed recruits ended up not being eligible to enroll....obviously the most in the state.

USF ended up having 7-8 more recruits from last year's team not eligible again...so over a 6 year period, 46 players that signed with USF were not eligible for enrollment.

Now with the news coming out that Leavitt and the Athletic Dept was in charge of many of the academic and even admission standards for USF football players...and even the ones that DID get accept still need EXEMPTIONS just to enroll...someone (maybe it was Wilcox?) finally said enough is enough...as it SEEMS that USF has been scrapping the bottom of the barrel "academically" when it came to finding football players to offer scholarships too.

EDIT: Looks like one USF Recruit won't end up signing with USF tomorrow because of these new guidelines as USF called him and his coach today to break the bad news:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/cont...off_a.html

USF backs off All-Area first-teamer Green
By Steve Dorsey | Tuesday, February 5, 2008, 06:21 PM


Palm Beach Gardens offensive lineman Justin Green, a Palm Beach Post first-team All-Area selection, will not be signing a national letter of intent Wednesday with the University of South Florida.

Gardens head football coach Kevin Fleury said that USF called him Tuesday to inform him that Green has not yet met the academic requirements to enroll in the Tampa school, but are holding a scholarship for him in hopes that he meets the academic criteria within the next grading period.

Fleury said that USF coaches were upset that they learned of the situation from the school’s admission office so late in the recruiting process — Wednesday is national signing day — but that they hope they will be able to sign Green at a later date.
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Here's the reference article back in August 2006:

PS. Yes, UCF's academic standards skyrocketed when O'Leary came to town...and those improvements, while seen live on the team today (record GPA's, strong actual grad rate), most of those numbers will not be posted in studies till 2012 or 2013.

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State teams losing recruits
Division I-A football programs averaged 3.3 players lost for the 2006 season.
Alan Schmadtke
Sentinel Staff Writer

August 27, 2006

After two years of more careful evaluation of new recruits, Florida's Division I-A schools slipped some in 2006.

Thanks in part to Division I-A newcomers FAU and FIU but largely to a still-young program at USF, the seven major-college programs in the state lost -- on average -- more than three players from their February recruiting classes.

With 24 players not reporting or ineligible for preseason practice, the 3.3-player average is the highest since 2003, a Sentinel analysis of six years of recruiting classes shows. The six-year span starts in 2001, the first year USF joined Division I-A.

In '03, the state's I-A schools also saw preseason attrition of 22 players. But that year's losses were felt more heavily because they were accrued by classes from five schools. Last season's average loss, 2.0 recruits, was the lowest of the six years evaluated. This year's missing prospects are spread among seven schools. After two years in transition, FAU and FIU now are full I-A members.

As is the case most years, the schools lost most of their February signees because of academics, though three players traded futures in college football for ones in pro baseball.

USF was hardest hit. Eleven signees, a third of the Bulls' class, fell out by the first week of two-a-days. All but two were academic casualties, although lineman/fullback James Jackson, recruited out of Santa Monica (Calif.) College, still could be admitted to school.

The 11-player attrition represents the largest single-season loss of any of those examined. Over the past six years, USF has lost 39 recruits. Second is Miami (21).

USF Coach Jim Leavitt said he signed extra recruits with the anticipation that some would not make it academically. Two recruits left the program during or after summer school; one was homesick and one gave up football.

"We lost one guy I really, really wanted," Leavitt said, not specifying the recruit. "It's not always what it appears. Now, will [we] get them back? I don't know. We want to make sure we get a solid 21-22 [a year]. . . . There's no absolutes."

USF wasn't alone in taking recruiting risks. For example, Virginia also lost a third of its class -- eight of 24 signees. Unlike USF, all of the Cavaliers' losses were academic.

UCF lost two this year. Junior college quarterback Terry Mayo wasn't admitted because he achieved too many credits over the summer. He had been expected to enroll in January and to push Kyle Israel for the Knights' backup job. Wide receiver Keith Houston left the program shortly after preseason practice began.

Overall, UCF's six-year number of recruiting losses is 15, but that total doesn't include five recruits who quit the team before finishing the first fall semester -- all since 2004.

Schools can sign as many players as they want to national letters of intent during the February signing period. But they're limited to 25 newcomers and 85 players total each season in terms of enrollment.

Some longtime Division I recruiting coordinators say the NCAA has made it easier for I-A schools to admit athletes under its sliding scale of grade-point averages and standardized test scores. The degree of difficulty, though, is expected to jump when the NCAA raises the number of required high school core courses from 14 to 16 in 2008.

Gambles such as USF's carry some risk but not as much as some might think. Players who don't enroll in the fall aren't considered part of the pool to be measured under the NCAA's new Academic Progress Rate (APR).

The risk comes when an athlete barely reaches qualifier status, then flunks out. Such cases lower schools' football and overall APR numbers.

Emily Badger of the Sentinel staff contributed to this report. Alan Schmadtke can be reached at aschmadtke@orlandosentinel.com.
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I think one of the concerns has been that since that time we have moved from 1AA to independent 1A, then CUSA and now Big East.
I think that those moves has caused a lot of player turnovers, as we move up in competition the new players are better than the previous so many end up transfering out. This hurts the graduation rate because it basically counts those that leave the program against he graduation rate.
I think is a good move specially after the troubles at FSU.
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USF ALWAYS gave up more scholarships than they had to offer knowing 4-5 wouldnt qualify and then place them at JUCOs.
Its funny how you mention those numbers that didnt enroll but dont say how many of those finsih juco and sign again with the program.
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omnicarrier Wrote:I applaud USF's administration for taking the necessary steps it deems necessary to address their student-athlete concerns. I assume that UCF already has similar guidelines in place.

Interestingly, in the latest graduation rates studies by the NCAA looking at the 00-01 freshman class, 58% of the general student population at UCF graduated while 47% of its athletes graduated. The football players grad rate was 46%.

At USF in the same study, only 49% of the general student population went on to graduate whereas the athletes graduated at 55%. The football players in this study had a grad rate of 61%. The bb graduation rate was worse.

I'd be interested in hearing from some Bulls' fans as to what has happened since the 00-01 freshman class that has the administration concerned over the last few years freshman classes.

Cheers,
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What changed?

competion level changed. USF went from I-AA, to Division I-A indy, C-DOA, to BigEast in less than 10 years. As USF's competition level increased, the roster turned over as recruiting got better hence the drop in APR.


From the USA Today:
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APRs are computed in all sports. Each scholarship player on each team generally can earn two APR points per semester or term for remaining at the school and academically eligible, and the NCAA has determined that teams should hit 92.5% of their possible total — an APR of 925 — or face the initial scholarship sanctions.
A 925 score approximates a 60% graduation rate.
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Note that a lot of the kids who left the program left mostly out of the desire to get more playing time. There were a couple of disciplinary problems and couple of kids who became academically ineligible.

Bottom line: USF hasn't seen as much turnover the last two seasons as our so the APR and hence graduation rate will improve as the four year windows slides forward.
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Cubanbull Wrote:KL
USF ALWAYS gave up more scholarships than they had to offer knowing 4-5 wouldnt qualify and then place them at JUCOs.
Its funny how you mention those numbers that didnt enroll but dont say how many of those finsih juco and sign again with the program.


ACtually, the real fallacy in his arguement is that all those kids who didn't qualify don't count toward the APR or graduation rate. Furthermore, if the Sentinel or any other UCiF fan are going to hold USF to a higher standard then they need to look at the SEC. Teams in this conference ALWAYS over-sign as evidenced by just this year:

Aalbama 28 verbals
Auburn 28 verbals
Ole Miss 30 verbals
LSU, MSU and Georgia are all at capacity and are awaiting news from at least 3 bigtime recruits themselves.

I guess we should give KL credit for showing enough self control to wait over 12 hours to post this article. I'm sure he has started making his rounds around the internet.
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Oh btw...it's funny to see UCF fans take shots at USF's APR considering where they were a couple of years ago, (875) and their current APR is 928, a whole whopping 3 points higher than the minimum.

BTW...its interesting that the Tribune combined the basketball program graduation rate with football. The turnover in basketball has been much greater than football, so naturally if you combine football with basketball the AVERAGE is going to look worse. But hey....there are lies, damn lies and statistics.

I am sure some UCiFers have some tired palms tonight...
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CyberBull Wrote:Oh btw...it's funny to see UCF fans take shots at USF's APR considering where they were a couple of years ago, (875) and their current APR is 928, a whole whopping 3 points higher than the minimum.

I am sure some UCiFers have some tired palms tonight...


Well, they cant beat you guys in either basketball nor football, so they have to find something that they think they beat you at. When everything else fails, there is always academic smack. 01-wingedeagle
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CyberBull Wrote:I guess we should give KL credit for showing enough self control to wait over 12 hours to post this article.

CB...since this was the hottest topic today on the USF Boards (5 pages of posts, approaching 1,000 views), I obviously thought it would of been posted on this board much earlier today by a USF fan.

It's actually a GOOD thing that USF is improving their academic standards for their football team.
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It's amusing seeing UCF fans obsess over USF so much. They don't realize it, but they're treating USF the same way other Florida schools treat the Big Three. Always looking for a reason to tear down Miami, Florida and Florida State. Now USF is getting the treatment. Digging up anything negative about USF. Throwing a hissy fit because USF won't play them. Notice how Miami, Florida, Florida State and South Florida don't throw a fit about playing UCF?
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CatsClaw Wrote:Notice how Miami, Florida, Florida State and South Florida don't throw a fit about playing UCF?


Well...unlike USF...UCF has already played FSU and Florida...plus, UCF is starting their home-home series with Miami this Oct.

Next time...just stick on topic...might help.
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CyberBull Wrote:Oh btw...it's funny to see UCF fans take shots at USF's APR considering where they were a couple of years ago, (875) and their current APR is 928, a whole whopping 3 points higher than the minimum.

I am sure some UCiFers have some tired palms tonight...


Well, they cant beat you guys in either basketball nor football, so they have to find something that they think they beat you at. When everything else fails, there is always academic smack. 01-wingedeagle

The academic smack falls on deaf ears b/c UCiF's GSR is actually lower.....make that MUCH LOWER than USF's for the same reporting period

UCF 46%
USF 55%

USF's APR is below the minimum, but UCF is barely above the minimum.

Link: http://www.bus.ucf.edu/sport/public/down..._Table.xls
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Leave it to KL... no other UCF fan over here putting this up so he does..
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BTW...there is an article in the SPTimes providing a more balanced view of the situation and actually quotes from USF refuting some of the Tribune's shoddy investigative work.

BTW GKFL....I'm not sure what motivates KL. Truth be told, I'd rather have more positive conversations with UCF fans since the schools are similar in so many ways, and our success are really independent of each other. It must be some sort of insecurity with some of these people. At the end of the day, USF has won a lot of games, not because we had the best players but b/c we have a brilliant coach who gets the most out of his players and can identify talent. That is really all that matters. I just laugh when people get on their high horse about academic standards for athletics, b/c if they were really that concerned ALL athletes would have to have the same credentials as a regular student. However if that were the case, college football would be as exciting as watching amateur lawn bowling.

Good luck today.
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cuseroc Wrote:
CyberBull Wrote:Oh btw...it's funny to see UCF fans take shots at USF's APR considering where they were a couple of years ago, (875) and their current APR is 928, a whole whopping 3 points higher than the minimum.

I am sure some UCiFers have some tired palms tonight...


Well, they cant beat you guys in either basketball nor football, so they have to find something that they think they beat you at. When everything else fails, there is always academic smack. 01-wingedeagle

The academic smack falls on deaf ears b/c UCiF's GSR is actually lower.....make that MUCH LOWER than USF's for the same reporting period

UCF 46%
USF 55%

USF's APR is below the minimum, but UCF is barely above the minimum.

Link: http://www.bus.ucf.edu/sport/public/down..._Table.xls

CB...believe everyone already knows that for the 2007 NCAA Academic Report used numbers dating back to the Freshmen Class of 2000, when USF was still a Div I-AA program.
http://web1.ncaa.org/app_data/inst2007/651.pdf

UCF Academic Standards increased greatly when O'Leary was hired for the 2004 season...and everyone knows that because of zero conference affiliation (till 2002) and poor facilities (obviously not now), UCF's former Coach recruited many JUCO's and some of the only HS kids he could signed had many "academic challenges".

GOL was brought in to "blow up" the program and rebuild it "his way"...i.e. with mostly GOOD students who just so happen to play football.

That's one reason why UCF's APR score is rising and will continue to do so especially now that all UCF players on the roster have been signed by O'Leary....but UCF's Grad rates for 2001, 2002, & 2003 classes under Kruzcek will be scored low by the NCAA over the next 3 years as not many of those kids "lasted" under O'Leary...as O'Leary "cleaned house".

PS. Here's a paragraph from the referenced St Pete Times article above:

USF's football and men's basketball scores in the NCAA's Academic Progress Ratings, which measure a school's ability to keep athletes in school and on track to graduate, have been below the NCAA's required threshold 925 out of 1,000; USF's football was at 910 last year, men's basketball at 898. As a result, USF is susceptible to NCAA sanctions that could include scholarship reductions, though more likely is a letter of warning in May when this year's scores are released.
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CatsClaw Wrote:It's amusing seeing UCF fans obsess over USF so much. They don't realize it, but they're treating USF the same way other Florida schools treat the Big Three. Always looking for a reason to tear down Miami, Florida and Florida State. Now USF is getting the treatment. Digging up anything negative about USF. Throwing a hissy fit because USF won't play them. Notice how Miami, Florida, Florida State and South Florida don't throw a fit about playing UCF?

It isn't like we have to dig. They run a different type of athletic program. We run ours with class and honor. They run with thugs, drug dealers, child predators, felons, criminals, academic fraud, and we probably only know 10% of the stuff.

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CatsClaw Wrote:It's amusing seeing UCF fans obsess over USF so much. They don't realize it, but they're treating USF the same way other Florida schools treat the Big Three. Always looking for a reason to tear down Miami, Florida and Florida State. Now USF is getting the treatment. Digging up anything negative about USF. Throwing a hissy fit because USF won't play them. Notice how Miami, Florida, Florida State and South Florida don't throw a fit about playing UCF?

It isn't like we have to dig. They run a different type of athletic program. We run ours with class and honor. They run with thugs, drug dealers, child predators, felons, criminals, academic fraud, and we probably only know 10% of the stuff.

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And thus another thread goes straight for the smack board...

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RE: Tampa Tribune: USF Takes Control Of Athlete Academics
So here is an interesting development rgarding this topic.
It seems a big OLineman from Palm Beach that had committed to USF was not allowed to sign because this new committee decided yesterday that his acdemic record while meeting NCAA requirements did not meet USF's standards.
The kid was told that a scholarship is available when he meets those requirements but it seems he is now going to look into others that offered him, Ole Miss, South Carolina and North Carolina.

Now if he gets into any of those I want Saban to be forced to read this everytime he opens his big fat mouth.
Hopefully the kids meets those requirements and comes to USF.
02-06-2008 04:03 PM
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RE: Tampa Tribune: USF Takes Control Of Athlete Academics
KNIGHTTIME Wrote:
CatsClaw Wrote:It's amusing seeing UCF fans obsess over USF so much. They don't realize it, but they're treating USF the same way other Florida schools treat the Big Three. Always looking for a reason to tear down Miami, Florida and Florida State. Now USF is getting the treatment. Digging up anything negative about USF. Throwing a hissy fit because USF won't play them. Notice how Miami, Florida, Florida State and South Florida don't throw a fit about playing UCF?

It isn't like we have to dig. They run a different type of athletic program. We run ours with class and honor. They run with thugs, drug dealers, child predators, felons, criminals, academic fraud, and we probably only know 10% of the stuff.

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Interesting response considering who your coach is and his sorted past. Nice...
02-06-2008 04:29 PM
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