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I decided to give Kennesaw a break. After all, it's not just wins and losses that make a division I team. Possibly Kennesaw has a bigtime atmosphere, the kind that comes from being a major or mid-major university in a huge metroplex.

Then I saw the numbers (official NCAA numbers for 2007 basketball attendance). Here are Kennesaw's attendance figures, compared with a few Division II and Division III teams around the country:

Division II

Central Mo. St. 3,640
Winona St. 3,377
Virginia St. 3,237
Northern St. 3,160
South Dakota 2,795
Augustana (S.D.) 2,691
Washburn 2,652
St. Cloud St. 2,381
Benedict 2,339
Ky. Wesleyan 1,964
Fort Hays St. 1,858
Kennesaw 963

Division III

Hope 2,923
Wooster 1,943
Calvin 1,891
Ill. Wesleyan 1,700
Maryville (Tenn.) 1,474
John Carroll 1,092
Kennesaw 963
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02-05-2008 01:50 PM
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Wasn't ETSU dropping off attendance left and right but still saying it packed the "dome".
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Kevster loves Kennesaw...he can't stop talking about us :)
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KennesawBasketball Wrote:Kevster loves Kennesaw...he can't stop talking about us :)

Got me again! I just can't pull the wool over your eyes, KB.
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Come on down for a visit. You'll get to see what Atlanta looks like if you haven't been in a while. haha... can't resist going back to this stupid argument. I think the fact that it's so stupid is what gives it life.
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Nick - everyone knows that Kennesaw is several hundred miles away from Atlanta, and that Johnson City is the mecca of southern living...duhhhhhh

ETSU choices on a Friday night:
1. sleep with your sister
2. ETSU basketball game
3. tip cows...

No wonder attendance is up....

Once Kennesaw becomes worthy of legitimate Division I attendance (we haven't earned it yet, and our marketing department has done little to help) we will be just fine. Kevster knows this deep down in his heart, that is what scares him awake every night.
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Nick M Wrote:Come on down for a visit. You'll get to see what Atlanta looks like if you haven't been in a while. haha... can't resist going back to this stupid argument. I think the fact that it's so stupid is what gives it life.

LOL.. Kevster, I'll bring the telescope so we can see Atlanta from Kennesaw's campus.

I mean I did live in the ATL one time. I used to drive by KSU all the time.... oh wait, that was GA State.

Hell go to Mercer to see Atlanta.
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Nick M Wrote:Come on down for a visit. You'll get to see what Atlanta looks like if you haven't been in a while. haha... can't resist going back to this stupid argument. I think the fact that it's so stupid is what gives it life.

Unfortunately we have a lot of stupid people on these boards it seems. But I am not going to get back into that argument. At some point you just have to understand that some people aren't going to listen. That is fine, they can have their opinion, and I will have mine. I just happen to be right 04-cheers
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We'd be stupid if we listened to anything a known liar and dung spewer has to say.

Enjoy your fantasy land, sir.
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Did someone say something? There seems to be an annoying gnat in my ear that follows me around like a little lap dog....shooo gnat, shoooo. Nobody likes an annoying gnat.
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Kennesaw, GA US

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Atlanta, GA 30306, US

Total Est. Time: 37 minutes
Total Est. Distance: 26.76 miles

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Here you go Mercer...ignorance must be bliss for you, but I have to introduce you to the facts I guess:

This information is from the Metro Atlanta Chamber of commerce:

Link is provided (http://www.atlantasmartcity.com/html/liv...y_map.html) Click on Cobb County on the map, and you will see what I have wrote below. It lists all the major counties within 100 miles of Metro Atlanta. Some of the counties are described as being a part of Metro Atlanta, some are not. Cobb County (in which Kennesaw State resides) is listed. For the non-oblivious it is pretty easy to see why when you look at a map of the expanse of Atlanta. But just for further clarification...remember this is from the METRO ATLANTA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE - there is no better source from what is defined as a part of Metro Atlanta.

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"Cobb County is nestled in northwest metro Atlanta and is bisected by interstate 75 and Highway 41 / Cobb Parkway. cobb also borders Atlanta's perimeter, I-285, and I-20 in the southern part of the county. In addition, this county is in the midst of the largest local transportation improvement program in the history of Georgia.

Cobb is most known for the Cumberland Galleria area known as the Platinum Triangle which contains more office space than Atlanta's central business district.
Major companies include GE Power Systems, AT&T, IBM, Yamaha, Georgia-Pacific, Sprint, and Coca-Cola. Along with this office space are multitudinous stores, restaurants, and hotels, as well as convention centers in the Cobb Galleria Center.

Cobb supports two public school systems and numerous private schools. The Cobb Chamber of commerce Partners in Education collaborates with all the schools to successfully integrate the business community into the student's educational programs. Colleges / Universities include Kennesaw State University, Southern Polytechnic State University, Life University, and Shorter College. There are also two technical institutes: Chattahoochee Tech and North Metro Tech.

Attractions in Cobb County are Marietta Square, a symphony, parks, Lake Allatoona, and Acworth, the Chattahoochee river, numerous golf courses, and the Marietta / Cobb Museum of Art."

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Metro Atlanta covers a huge expanse. I don't know why this is so hard to understand, and I know you don't care about facts, but if the Metro Atlanta Chamber of commerce defines Cobb County as a part of northwest metro Atlanta, and SPECIFICALLY names Kennesaw State in the article as a key part of Cobb County, then I need no further proof. You can choose to ignore the obvious if you like, but you just look foolish.
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Here are some facts for you:

2006 Census:

Population:
- Cobb County: 679,325
- Fulton County: 960, 009
- DekalbCounty: 723, 602
- Gwinnett County: 757, 104

The big 4 Counties of Atlanta. Now since Fulton County is the only county that really encompasses the city limits of Atlanta, why in the world does every reputable news organization and human being recognize Atlanta as having somewhere around 5 million residents (census in 2006 stated 4.6 million)? Oh that is right - because the counties listed above (plus several other small counties) are what constitute Metro-Atlanta.

In fact here is another article from the "Atlanta Regional Commission" Web site. Don't take my word for it, listen to the people who spend their livelihood addressing the issues of Metro Atlanta.

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"20-County Metro Atlanta Population to Reach 7 Million by 2030
Contact: Matt Hennie
Phone: 404.463.3194
E-mail: mhennie@atlantaregional.com

(ATLANTA - October 12, 2006) The 20-county Atlanta region will add two million jobs and 2.2 million people in the next 25 years, raising the population to 6.97 million and continuing the region’s strong growth, according to new forecasts from the Atlanta Regional Commission (ARC).

Population in the 20-county Atlanta region will jump from 4.79 million in 2005 to 6.97 million in 2030, a 46 percent increase, while employment will increase from 2.92 million in 2005 to 4.89 million in 2030, a 67 percent increase, according to the forecasts. The average population increase of 91,456 and employment increase of 68,900 each year from 2000 to 2030 will eclipse the population and job growth seen in the region between 1970 and 2000. As the region expands, its population will grow older and its employment base will become more service oriented.

“While the urban area reaches further and further into the outlying counties, we are seeing a revival in Atlanta and population growth downtown and inside I-285,” said Bart Lewis, chief of ARC’s Research Division. “The growth of the next 25 years is strikingly similar to the growth of previous decades. But, the type of growth will be different – the 20-county region is growing older.”

For the first time, ARC’s population and employment forecasts area expanded from 13 to 20 counties and now includes Barrow, Bartow, Carroll, Cherokee, Clayton, Cobb, Coweta, DeKalb, Douglas, Fayette, Forsyth, Fulton, Gwinnett, Hall, Henry, Newton, Paulding and Rockdale, Spalding and Walton counties. The forecasts, based on data produced by the federal Bureau of Economic Analysis, the U.S. Census Bureau and Moody’s Economy.com, support ARC’s long-range planning efforts in transportation, land use, water and human services.

Gwinnett and Fulton are forecast to continue their strong growth, with Gwinnett adding 400,000 people, for a 2030 population of 989,000, and Fulton adding 330,000 people, for a 2030 population of 1,146,000. Together, these two counties will account for almost 40 percent of the 10-county region’s total growth and 27 percent of the 20-county forecast area’s growth. Fulton County will remain the leader in jobs, adding more than 300,000 jobs during the 30-year forecast period.

Two of the fastest-growing counties in the nation – Henry and Cherokee – will also continue their strong growth. Henry County is forecast to add 250,000 people, while Cherokee will add 214,000. This absolute growth ranks them third and fourth, respectively, in the 20-county area.

The City of Atlanta’s recent population surge will also continue. Atlanta is forecast to add 181,000 new residents, for a 2030 population of more than 603,000.

Population Forecast Highlights

• The forecast annual population growth rate from 2000 to 2030 is 1.7 percent. From 1970 to 2000, the annual growth rate was 2.9 percent. From 1990 to 2000, it was 3.4 percent.

• The average annual population increase from 2000 to 2030 is forecast to be 91,456 people. From 1970 to 2000, the average annual population increase was 88,600. From 1990 to 2000, it was 118,754 people.

• The share of older adult population – people ages 60 and above – doubles, from 10.6 percent of the region’s population in 2000 to 21.2 percent in 2030.

In 2030, 77 percent of the 20-county population is in the 10 core counties of the region – Cherokee, Clayton, Cobb, DeKalb, Douglas, Fayette, Fulton, Gwinnett, Henry and Rockdale – compared to 81 percent in 2000.

In 2030, 58 percent of the 20-county population is in the five core counties of the region – Clayton, Cobb, DeKalb, Fulton and Gwinnett – compared to 69 percent in 2000.

• In 2030, Census Tract 1306 in south Forsyth County adds the most people (40,552) and most jobs (49,596) of the 676 Census tracts in the 20-county region. Some 478 of the Census tracts are located in the five core counties – Clayton, Cobb, DeKalb, Fulton and Gwinnett.

• Henry is forecast to more than triple its 2000 population by 2030 to lead the 20-county area in percentage population growth. Forsyth ranks second in percentage growth, increasing its population by 178 percent. The other counties whose 2000 populations are forecast to double by 2030 are Paulding (172 percent), Newton (158 percent), Cherokee (151 percent), Barrow (146 percent), Douglas (137 percent) and Coweta (130 percent).

Employment Forecast Highlights

• The forecast annual employment growth rate from 2000 to 2030 is 1.9 percent. From 1970 to 2000, the annual growth rate was 3.8 percent. From 1990 to 2000, it was 3.4 percent.

• The average annual employment increase from 2000 to 2030 is 68,900 jobs. From 1970 to 2000, the average annual increase was 62,728 jobs.

• In 2030, the services and retail industries continue to be the largest sectors in the economy of the 20-county region.

In 2030, 80 percent of the 20-county employment is in the 10 core counties of the region – Cherokee, Clayton, Cobb, DeKalb, Douglas, Fayette, Fulton, Gwinnett, Henry and Rockdale – compared to 88 percent in 2000.

In 2030, 68 percent of the 20-county employment is in the five core counties of the region – Clayton, Cobb, DeKalb, Fulton and Gwinnett – compared to 81 percent in 2000. Some 25 percent of the 20-county employment is in Fulton County, compared to 32 percent in 2000.

• In 1970, almost 20 percent of all jobs were in Manufacturing and 16 percent in Services. By 2030, the Services sector will comprise 32 percent of all jobs, while Manufacturing is just six percent.

• Fulton County will add the most jobs, 316,000, for a 2030 job total of almost 1,147,000. Gwinnett will add 224,000 jobs for a 2030 total of 516,000. Together, Fulton and Gwinnett will account for 48 percent of the 10-county region’s total job growth and 33 percent of the 20-county forecast area’s growth. Cobb County ranks third in job growth (135,000), then Forsyth (98,500) and DeKalb (84,000). The City of Atlanta is forecast to add 97,000 jobs.

• Each of the “external” 10 counties – Barrow, Bartow, Carroll, Coweta, Forsyth, Hall, Newton, Paulding, Spalding and Walton – is forecast to at least double its employment, with Paulding
(+ 411 percent), Walton (+ 390 percent) and Barrow (+299) leading the way. One significant trend is the decentralization of employment across the 20-county area. "

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I'll post more articles as I find them...this is actually interesting stuff. I didn't know all of this was out there.
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Here is another article about Cobb county that describes it clearly as a part of Metro Atlanta:

http://www.atlantaregional.com/cps/rde/x...U_HTML.htm

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Cobb

Formed in 1832, Cobb County was originally part of Cherokee County and was named after Judge Thomas Willis Cobb, a U.S. Senator. According to 2005 Census estimates, it is the fourth most populous county in Georgia as well as the fourth most populous in the 10-county Atlanta region. At 340 square miles, Cobb ranks 81st (out of 159) in the state in area and fourth in the 10-county region. Given its relatively small size, Cobb is the second most densely-populated county in the state, behind only DeKalb.

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KB, why do you keep saying Gold & I are ignorant about KSU's location? It sounds like there's an identity crisis going on over in Kennesaw. Ask anybody that's lived in Atlanta... outside the perimeter is outside the ATL. I don't understand what is so bad about just saying you live in "Kennesaw" Georgia. If you tell someone to meet you in Atlanta and then you'll have dinner with them near KSU, they might be upset when they have to drive another 30-60 minutes to get to you (traffic's a *****)
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OTP and ITP has finally entered the talk! Yes! I live OTP and work ITP which is going to suck starting Saturday cause they're closing Techwood Drive which feeds midtown's 10th and 14th street and I work off 14th.

It's pretty silly to argue either way of this conversation. People are gonna believe what they want to believe anyhow. BTW Mercer, it could take you an hour to get from the airport to vinings which would still be ITP, even on the same west side of town!!! Ever been connector southbound on a weekday at 5? Fah-getta-bout-it! Could take an hour on 75/85 alone!
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Yea thats why I don't want to live in Atlanta!!
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I hear ya, I'm lookin for a job closer to home. It's going to be rediculous.
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Congratulations on your 1,000 post. Nick.
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Thanks KB... I'd like thank Gold for his senslessness, MercerFan for another sane person on the boards, kev for making it so easy to poke fun at etsu and all the others who have made it extremely easy to reach such a "milestone". Gold, you're catching up fast!
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