Fo Shizzle Wrote:It obvious that this stuff will not go away..even though he has repeatedly denounced it...

REASON Mag: "Old News"? "Rehashed for Over a Decade"?

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/01/1...wsletters/

from the Reason link, newsreports on same newsletters but different content in 1996, Paul said:

Quote:Dr. Paul denied suggestions that he was a racist and said he was not evoking stereotypes when he wrote the columns. He said they should be read and quoted in their entirety to avoid misrepresentation. [...]

I have no doubt Lew Rockwell also wrote a good bit of these as well, but the idea that Paul had no connection with his own newsletters that went out over a decade and he profited from, is not only hard to beleive, Paul is a proven liar on the subject. the media are giving him a pass, big time.

Quote:He is going to be railed as a kook even though the other candidates are slowing adopting his positons on the economy and interventionism....Keep in mind...He is NOT going away...He has a war chest to be in this until the convention..and lots of time to speak and spread what some think is kooky.

This is where he is really kooky, on "Congressman Ron Paul" letterhead with his signature at the bottom:

http://www.tnr.com/downloads/solicitation.pdf

I especially love the part about the "new money" with "chemical alarms" that go off when going through an airport to alert the Feds. While I'm not suprised since he's a regular on Alex Jones radio show among others, I still want to say: You've got to be freaking kidding me!!!!

the For-Profit, politics of Fear and paranoia....coming back to bite them. This is why when you have a candidate that goes on nutter radio shows and placates to them routienly, is on the record on various other conspiracy theories, proveably lying and misrepresenting history and receives rabid support from Neo-nazi's among others, gets donations and doesn't return them once called on it. Its a HUGE RED FLAG, one I've pointed out a time or two.

Reason Mag. is a Libertarian magazine btw, they have Paul on the cover regrettably this month. If the Libertarian movement had its act together(and the GOP for that matter), the Paleo-Libertarian nuttiness of Paul never would've got this far. The last thing you want as a face of a movement.

btw, Matt Welch is editor of Reason Mag. No doubt trying to get out front to save their reputation.

David Boaz, is CATO's executive Vice President.

Libertarians against Paul

Here is what Paul's former aide of 12 years and one of the founders of the "Republican Liberty Caucus" and also runs a blog: http://libertarianrepublican.blogspot.com

had to say about what he knows about the newsletters, over at 3rd Party Watch:

http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/10/ro...ent-427989

Quote:Eric Dondero Says:

January 10th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Here are the cold hard facts:

Who wrote the Newsletters?

Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell. From what I witnessed in my 12 years working for Ron, I’d say maybe 40% came from him in the way of scribbles (and I literally do mean scribbles) on a yellow pad, that was then faxed to his office staff in South Houston for editing and publication.

I’d estimate that the rest – 50 to 60% was written by Lew. But when I say Lew I also mean his staff of Interns, which during that period included most prominently Jeff Tucker and Mark Thornton of Auburn Univ. in Alabama.

It was my general impression that Thornton wrote the bulk of the heavy economic stuff, Tucker the political stuff, Lew crime and race relations, Ron Paul anti-Israel/foreign policy.

As to the Production Team:

In the 1980s Nadia Hayes was Newsletter Publisher. Her assistant was Jean McCiver. Both lived in South Houston/Clear Lake area. The office was located on 1120 Nasa Rd. 1, Suite 1 (catty-corner from the NASA Space Center.)

The Newsletter itself was produced and printed by Marc Elam, Ron’s longtime Campaign Manager, out of Elam’s office on Fuqua, South Houston, very close to Hobby Airport.

Hayes was forced to resign in an Embezzlement scandal in late 1988 involving the Investment Newsletter and Ron Paul’s other business and political enterprises.

McIver then took over. She was assisted by David Mertz, better known as David James, a close friend and associate of current Ron Paul Campaign Co-Campaign Manager Kent Snyder. Both Snyder and James currently live in Northern, VA, Falls Church area.

For the period in question, early 1990s, post Nadia Hayes, David James, Jean McIver and Marc Elam were the entire Production Team and Editors of the Newsletters.

Lew Rockwell was more of a Contributing writer, and less Editor. But his writing, as I said before, constituted approx. 50 to 60% of the Newsletters.

All of this is general knowledge known by all Ron Paul campaign and Congressional staffers. There are numerous individuals who can be contacted to confirm these facts, both present and employees of Ron Paul.

They can also be confirmed by Houston-area libertarians and Ron Paul activists.

Dondero is definitely anti-Paul, quit not long after 9/11 and Paul's view related to that. He's for Rudy, if not Rudy then Thompson or Romney.

GGniner Wrote:Here is what Paul's former aide of 12 years and one of the founders of the "Republican Liberty Caucus" and also runs a blog: http://libertarianrepublican.blogspot.com

had to say about what he knows about the newsletters, over at 3rd Party Watch:

http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/10/ro...ent-427989

Quote:Eric Dondero Says:

January 10th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Here are the cold hard facts:

Who wrote the Newsletters?

Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell. From what I witnessed in my 12 years working for Ron, I’d say maybe 40% came from him in the way of scribbles (and I literally do mean scribbles) on a yellow pad, that was then faxed to his office staff in South Houston for editing and publication.

I’d estimate that the rest – 50 to 60% was written by Lew. But when I say Lew I also mean his staff of Interns, which during that period included most prominently Jeff Tucker and Mark Thornton of Auburn Univ. in Alabama.

It was my general impression that Thornton wrote the bulk of the heavy economic stuff, Tucker the political stuff, Lew crime and race relations, Ron Paul anti-Israel/foreign policy.

As to the Production Team:

In the 1980s Nadia Hayes was Newsletter Publisher. Her assistant was Jean McCiver. Both lived in South Houston/Clear Lake area. The office was located on 1120 Nasa Rd. 1, Suite 1 (catty-corner from the NASA Space Center.)

The Newsletter itself was produced and printed by Marc Elam, Ron’s longtime Campaign Manager, out of Elam’s office on Fuqua, South Houston, very close to Hobby Airport.

Hayes was forced to resign in an Embezzlement scandal in late 1988 involving the Investment Newsletter and Ron Paul’s other business and political enterprises.

McIver then took over. She was assisted by David Mertz, better known as David James, a close friend and associate of current Ron Paul Campaign Co-Campaign Manager Kent Snyder. Both Snyder and James currently live in Northern, VA, Falls Church area.

For the period in question, early 1990s, post Nadia Hayes, David James, Jean McIver and Marc Elam were the entire Production Team and Editors of the Newsletters.

Lew Rockwell was more of a Contributing writer, and less Editor. But his writing, as I said before, constituted approx. 50 to 60% of the Newsletters.

All of this is general knowledge known by all Ron Paul campaign and Congressional staffers. There are numerous individuals who can be contacted to confirm these facts, both present and employees of Ron Paul.

They can also be confirmed by Houston-area libertarians and Ron Paul activists.

Dondero is definitely anti-Paul, quit not long after 9/11 and Paul's view related to that. He's for Rudy, if not Rudy then Thompson or Romney.

Blah...Blah...Blah..record broken...GG...you spend WAY to much time worrying about Ron Paul and researching his every move...I think you are secretly in LOVE.

That Ghoul quote about freedom being authority is amazing. I cant believe no one is bringing that up.

Rudy has answered the infamous quote before, way back in 1994 after it was said

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.ht...A962958260

its the difference between Liberty and Freedom, raw Freedom is anarchy. Which is what Guiliani was explaining, though poorly articulated. and as he mentioned it gets back to the "Fire in crowded theater" scenario and how you freedom only extends to the point it does not interfer with another person's freedom. There are boundaries there and that is what Liberty is, the difference.

So you 'submit to authority' a certain amount of discreation for the sake of society and Liberty as a whole, if you don't thats where the law comes into play... calling in fake fire threats is against the law, you don't have the freedom to do it. Killing someone is against the law as it obviously infringes on anothers Liberty(and life), etc.

Which is why when you have terrorist living in sleeper cells, with goal of future 9/11's among other things, the Libertarian thing to do is to detect them beforehand and thwart the attacks, thus securing Liberty. National Security is a Civil Liberty

Trying to balance out Individual Freedoms with the Freedom of Society as a whole(National Security, peace, the right to go out in public and not fear for your life, etc) is where legislatures come into play and the hardest part of their job is finding the right balance given the current real world realities and threats........


that would've been a great question for the debates though, especially in one that only allowed for one or two minute responses.