esayem Wrote:I am just saying WVU almost won a title in the 80's with no help from Miami or VaTech so I doubt he expected a recession or collapse of a solid athletic program. Also, didn't WVU beat a Miami team that had a strangle hold on the conference for a few years? I believe it was when Butch was coaching the Canes.

HHMMM, OK.

With all the talk of the BE not deserving a BCS bid in those first days and most of that talk coming from the ACC, it's amazing to hear Easyem try to spin the whole thing and make is sound all friendly. I guess Mike Tranghese was screaming about nothing and the VT/UCONN lawsuit was really about a friendly change of conferences.
I'm convinced ACC fans have LOST THEIR MINDS. I guess the stress of sucking for all these years has gotten the best of them. Personally, the ACC is off my radar.
This was a good season for the BE. A lot of firsts for USF- Highest ranking ever #2 (Let's see you improve on that), and Cincy- first time finishing the season ranked. Of course WVU had a good year. I hope everyone improves next year, especially the CUSE and we just keep moving forward- never looking back.
Let's leave Swofford in the dust.

No it wasn't friendly, yeah it was shady. They took advantage of your football conference. Although, I think it was bound to happen, maybe the schools would have went somewhere else, I don't know. The Big East football conference was kind of slapped together in the first place. I really don't think VaTech could have a better situation than right now. The ACC was very slow to move, probably more like the Pac 10 and Big 11 than any other conference. Traditionalists, like myself, balked at the idea of FSU joining the league. This last wave, when it was first announced, I swear I was pissed. I thought we were way off track. I am still pissed because of the way we bow to the Florida schools and let the divisions be so f&#^ing messed up!

esayem Wrote:No it wasn't friendly, yeah it was shady. They took advantage of your football conference. Although, I think it was bound to happen, maybe the schools would have went somewhere else, I don't know. The Big East football conference was kind of slapped together in the first place. I really don't think VaTech could have a better situation than right now. The ACC was very slow to move, probably more like the Pac 10 and Big 11 than any other conference. Traditionalists, like myself, balked at the idea of FSU joining the league. This last wave, when it was first announced, I swear I was pissed. I thought we were way off track. I am still pissed because of the way we bow to the Florida schools and let the divisions be so f&#^ing messed up!

Still trying to justify the acc's actions I see. "Well those schools probably will have left anyway, so we took em."

You are amazing. I mean really, you truly are amazing. (Thats not a compliment btw.) You are a perfect acc fan.
BTW, where else would those schools have gone to? The acc was the only conference looking to expand to 12. So enlighten us further with your twisted logic and tell us where else that those schools would have gone, since that is your justification for taking them.

esayem Wrote:I really don't think VaTech could have a better situation than right now.

Sure they could. They could be the ninth member of the Big East.

Edit: Maybe you are talking about an easy path to a BCS game. In that case you are correct.

Wow, if they were happy they wouldn't have left, would they? I suppose you will say Swofford, the almighty trickster, lured them away from their true home. Whatever man I admit it was a shady way to go about it. Anything can happen in the NCAA, look at the Mountain West splitting from the WAC. Stuff like this happens. I think you should hate those schools that defected more than the schools they would rather compete against on an annual basis, that's all. You guys only look at this from the "ACC" perspective, instead of the "Schools that left the Big East" perspective. They wanted to follow Miami, and Miami wanted to leave. Yet you hate the ACC schools that couldn't give two shards if Miami was in the league. Miami only prolonged Bunting's firing to me.....

Just a joke. Nobody thinks Va Tech is going anywhere anytime soon. Time will tell if Virginia Tech made the right move. I can tell you that our current conference with BC and Tech would be a VERY strong conference.

I don't think there is that level of hate directed at the ACC you seem to be implying. After all the BE has been through there is some satisfaction that the conference that caused so many problems to the BE is now struggling somewhat. I think it is understandable that their problems are posted here. BE fans will have performances from other conferences (ACC, Big Ten) like this year to defend our conference (if need be) down the road.

Most knowledgeable BE fans know that the ACC is a pretty good conference. Things will go in cycles and there will be years when the BE is better and years when it is possible the ACC will be better. No intelligent BE fan thinks the ACC will lose their BCS bid but it does bring chuckles even hearing it mentioned. You do also find most of the animosity directed at old BE schools. Miami gets a pass because I don't thing most BE fans were surprised that they left. I'm not sure why BC and Va Tech felt the conference might fall apart without Miami but them leaving made things MUCH more difficult.

It appears that in regards to the split you are trying to say BE fans should forget about it. That is true to some extent and there needs to be some repair of the ACC-BE relationship but you need to put walk a mile in our shoes to know where we are coming from.

In 2003-2004 BE programs very much felt their future was uncertain due to being blindsided by the ACC raid. During this period and on into 2005 there was a drumbeat for the BE to be removed from the BCS. BE fans spent much of their time defending the conference against fans of other conferences. ACC fans were heavily in this talk and considering they were the one "benefiting" from the split it was particularly annoying. During this rebuilding time for the BE facts presented by our fans were often brushed off. Calls for there to be time given for the BE to settle in with their new teams were rebuffed online and in the media.

Fortunately the situation turned on a dime with WVU and the BE's "Oh my God" moment at the Sugar Bowl. With that game the slow process of showing that BE teams could play began. For now things are pretty good for the BE but obviously they have a way to go. An off year or two and the drumbeat will probably begin again.

Finally, I'm not sure I appreciate the thread title but it was the title of the main story. Something like ACC Performance would have not provided the "bait" for fans like you who felt they needed to defend your conference.

LaRue777 Wrote:

esayem Wrote:I really don't think VaTech could have a better situation than right now.

Sure they could. They could be the ninth member of the Big East.

Edit: Maybe you are talking about an easy path to a BCS game. In that case you are correct.

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner!

I don't know about the ACC in football. They are trying to compete with the SEC. The BEast isn't a rival to them. It's a good thing too. Because they'd have lost that comparison just as badly. But their mindset is of . little fish in a shark's tank. He's continuously wondering when the teeth are coming. I think they will always be a lower tier BCS conference, with the occasional exception years.

The BEast is on a high right now. But if they can sustain it long enough for a REAL fan base to build up in the northeast, I think it can become self-sustaining. A national championship is just a matter of time.

LaRue777 Wrote:Just a joke. Nobody thinks Va Tech is going anywhere anytime soon. Time will tell if Virginia Tech made the right move. I can tell you that our current conference with BC and Tech would be a VERY strong conference.

I don't think there is that level of hate directed at the ACC you seem to be implying. After all the BE has been through there is some satisfaction that the conference that caused so many problems to the BE is now struggling somewhat. I think it is understandable that their problems are posted here. BE fans will have performances from other conferences (ACC, Big Ten) like this year to defend our conference (if need be) down the road.

Most knowledgeable BE fans know that the ACC is a pretty good conference. Things will go in cycles and there will be years when the BE is better and years when it is possible the ACC will be better. No intelligent BE fan thinks the ACC will lose their BCS bid but it does bring chuckles even hearing it mentioned. You do also find most of the animosity directed at old BE schools. Miami gets a pass because I don't thing most BE fans were surprised that they left. I'm not sure why BC and Va Tech felt the conference might fall apart without Miami but them leaving made things MUCH more difficult.

It appears that in regards to the split you are trying to say BE fans should forget about it. That is true to some extent and there needs to be some repair of the ACC-BE relationship but you need to put walk a mile in our shoes to know where we are coming from.

In 2003-2004 BE programs very much felt their future was uncertain due to being blindsided by the ACC raid. During this period and on into 2005 there was a drumbeat for the BE to be removed from the BCS. BE fans spent much of their time defending the conference against fans of other conferences. ACC fans were heavily in this talk and considering they were the one "benefiting" from the split it was particularly annoying. During this rebuilding time for the BE facts presented by our fans were often brushed off. Calls for there to be time given for the BE to settle in with their new teams were rebuffed online and in the media.

Fortunately the situation turned on a dime with WVU and the BE's "Oh my God" moment at the Sugar Bowl. With that game the slow process of showing that BE teams could play began. For now things are pretty good for the BE but obviously they have a way to go. An off year or two and the drumbeat will probably begin again.

Finally, I'm not sure I appreciate the thread title but it was the title of the main story. Something like ACC Performance would have not provided the "bait" for fans like you who felt they needed to defend your conference.

Excellent post LaRue. You summarized things completely.

Esayem, it's true that whenever we start questioning the ACC's bid, it's sarcasm-laced. It's more meant to parodize the Gameday crew and everyone else who used to thumb their noses at the BE's bid. I'm not really an ACC-hater - heck, they opened the door for us That mascot commercial was still stupid

Now, the Big Ten, on the other had, I can't stand

Yeah, good points guys, that's why I like coming here. I couldn't imagine what it would be like if we fell below eight (in a time such as now where it matters). I am just glad the conference made it out okay. I love Big East sports, especially basketball. I just wish St. John's got it together becasue I always liked it when they were good, they kind of are like the heart of the Big East to me.

All ACC fans (me included) have nothing to defend here. 1-9 in BCS bowl games speaks for itself, especially since one of the 9 loses was to KANSAS.

Not K-State.

KANSAS.

When the ACC champ can't beat Kansas in any football venue, it's time for us to STFU.

Good luck to the Big East. For the second straight year...

Big East FB > ACC Football -- sure I know the series was tied 4-4, but that KANSAS thing swings it in favor of the Big East.