This kind of he said, she said stuff should be on the smack or other conference boards. We know your goals if these theories assume the worst. If BE fans have FACTS that will implicate any Big East program they will be posted.

I think SOME (not all) UCF fans need to spend more time on their own boards discussing how they might get into the top 12 next year and make a BCS bowl.

Frogman, lawyers can also do the same thing to him as well. IF she did do all that she claimed, then she is entitle to any earning he would have made. If proven, both should be charge with Fraud. and take away any credits that he was given. USF will be on probahtion and lose scholarships for fb only. Divorce is not pretty or we would all have 1 or 2. Divorce cases are always when we find out what really happen. The difference is knowing how to read between the lines to find the real truth. What question I have is, could the teachers he/she not tell whether he wrote this paper or not. Usually a good teacher knows whether they wrote that paper or not by speaking with them. If a students paper doesnt reflect the way he speak, then it is a good chance they didnt write it. So, the bigger question is what kind of teachers are USF hiring?

USF will not be on probation because they were NOT awared of the situation. You guys want to see something that is not there. This is a single case of a wife alleging to have done a husbands academic work. There is no way ANY university can stop that.
But hey keep pissing into the wind with it.
As for Bobcat john, USF built its time thru hard work and recruiting in a state with lots of talent. Most of our team are 2 star players by Rivals that turned out to be better than experts expected. We are not there yet, we dont have the talent and depth as the top BCS teams and that was proven this season, but we are geting better. So its funny how others will try to jump on a specific situation and try to explain why USF has been succesful and others have not.

Cubanbull Wrote:USF will not be on probation because they were NOT aware of the situation.

Sadly, that is not a viable excuse according to the NCAA for any possible athletic/academic violation that is broken.

Central Florida fans are sadly obsessed. They're like stalkers. The sooner that USF/UCF football series ends the sooner USF fans can put UCF behind them and move on to bigger and better things.

KnightLight Wrote:

Cubanbull Wrote:USF will not be on probation because they were NOT aware of the situation.

Sadly, that is not a viable excuse according to the NCAA for any possible athletic/academic violation that is broken.

Fantastic for you then. So then seat there beating your stick waiting for it.

OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:South Florida's rapid rise in college football should have set off alarms with the NCAA. Its odd that a school can climb to the top of college football that fast.

You make zero sense. What does this have to do with coaching and recruiting?

South Tampa Knight Wrote:

CyberBull Wrote:The the thing with KnightLight is that he is not very honest with himself, so why should his posting style be any different?

So what he posted was not accurate?

Why not ask why the St. Pete Times held on to the story for two months until after the season?

Surprise, another UCF fan who doesn't get it.

The being honest part of this post (which was made directly in response to my post calling KL out) has to do with the fact that he tried to "sneak" the Moffitt info onto this board in a post he disguised as a blog about the Big East and BCS Bowls.

He didn't OWN the message nor did he start the discussion he later alleges he had hoped this thread would discuss.

But since "accuracy" is of concern to you, I eagerly await the evidence that proves your final contention that the St. Pete Times held on to the story for 2 months.

Cheers,
Neil

Crimsonelf Wrote:IMO, this should not have been blown up by UCF fans.

UCF fans didn't blow this up.

It was the MEDIA that blew it up...and others just posted what was being written/said.

When 4-5 newspapers in FLA, plus the NYTimes, plus ESPNU, plus AOL and other numerous outlets have stories on this subject, UCF fans did not blow this up.

Did UCF fans blow this up?

USF using Roger Clemens defense?

From today's Sarasota Herald Tribune:
http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/200...006/SPORTS
Article published Jan 5, 2008

Doug Fernandes

A paper chase at USF?

SARASOTA

Defenders of the South Florida football program and the school as an institution of higher learning would have a neat and tidy explanation.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

A multiple choice test with multiple answers. Shauna Moffitt is, they would argue, a wife: a. blind with rage; b. vindictive; c. out for blood.

And, therefore, d. full of bull.

The USF administrative hierarchy can only hope. Head football coach Jim Leavitt can only hope.

The shots dished out on the field by Ben Moffitt over four seasons are mere love taps compared with the single shot unloaded across the Bulls' bow by his loveless spouse.

According to published reports, Shauna Moffitt claims that the team's senior linebacker has been a financial no-show for her and their two children since the couple's separation.

An athletic supporter, she contends, hubby is not.

Whether or not the second-leading tackler in team history qualifies as a deadbeat dad really isn't a matter for popular consumption.

And, if true, it wouldn't be the first time a husband, any husband, shirked such a responsibility.

It's not limited to athletes. Their existence in the public eye simply renders them more visible.

It's Shauna Moffitt's other charge that raises the question of academic safeguards and whether South Florida's needs addressing.

The 26-year-old Moffitt said she had taken multiple online courses for her husband and written papers for his classes to maintain his football eligibility.

"I have written every single paper he has ever written in five years at USF,'' she said.

Powerful charges. The school did not immediately respond to Moffitt's allegations, which is somewhat understandable.

Its football team was slow to react to Oregon's blitzkrieg in Monday's Sun Bowl. A blind-side attack requires a certain recovery period.

That Shauna Moffitt reportedly was able to take online courses for her husband should not surprise anyone.

Twenty-three Florida State players were suspended for their bowl game for receiving the answers before taking an Internet test.

A computer offers a cloak of anonymity. What's less clear is how Mrs. Moffitt could write every one of Mr. Moffitt's course papers over five years and not have this act of duplicity raise even one red flag?

Maybe it did. Maybe one of his instructors noticed commas in the right spots, strong nouns and verbs, and simply assumed that Big Ben was a budding Pete Gent.

Or simply stopped drawing the obvious conclusion.

USF might claim delinquency did exist and corrective steps are being taken.

It could also deny all of her accusations.

Forever known as the Roger Clemens defense.

Yes but is the UCF FANS that are posting it on this board, on the CUSA board and on every BE Rivals board and who knows whereelse.
Stop trying to hide behind others for your fans pathetic actions including yours.

CatsClaw Wrote:Central Florida fans are sadly obsessed. They're like stalkers. The sooner that USF/UCF football series ends the sooner USF fans can put UCF behind them and move on to bigger and better things.

Seriously. The end cant come soon enough.

goodknightfl Wrote:I truly wish some of my fellow knight fans would let some of this stuff go.. Its one thing to post it on the UCF board and have some fun with it.. its another to jump on evey board U can and put it up.. Drop it already.

Thank you :clap2: KL may have changed the title, but that didn't make his posts any less pathetic.

BullsBEAST Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:Central Florida fans are sadly obsessed. They're like stalkers. The sooner that USF/UCF football series ends the sooner USF fans can put UCF behind them and move on to bigger and better things.

Seriously. The end cant come soon enough.

When it does, though, there will be lots of whining about how we're afraid to play them. I fully expect that there will further be lots of crying in the media about how the game makes sense, and Lee Constantine will try once again to get legislation through to force the game to be played.

If anything needs to be investigated, it's how much Constantine abuses his authority on behalf of his alma mater. Something tells me there would be lots of interesting information uncovered about how a university with a small fraction of USF's endowment has managed to build an indoor football practice facility, a new football stadium, a new basketball arena and a new (and totally unnecessary) medical school at a time when other campuses are struggling to find sufficient laboratory space to serve their student's needs...

As Cuban said, I will be making my own thoughts heard to the USF administration that I do NOT want this series extended.

USFFan

KnightLight Wrote:

Cubanbull Wrote:USF will not be on probation because they were NOT aware of the situation.

Sadly, that is not a viable excuse according to the NCAA for any possible athletic/academic violation that is broken.

...and you were the same asswhole who said that USF would go on probation for having "illegal tryout camps".

the bottom line is that, even if went on probation USF would still be a better program and woud kick you assss all over the field.

omnicarrier Wrote:

South Tampa Knight Wrote:

CyberBull Wrote:The the thing with KnightLight is that he is not very honest with himself, so why should his posting style be any different?

So what he posted was not accurate?

Why not ask why the St. Pete Times held on to the story for two months until after the season?

Surprise, another UCF fan who doesn't get it.

The being honest part of this post (which was made directly in response to my post calling KL out) has to do with the fact that he tried to "sneak" the Moffitt info onto this board in a post he disguised as a blog about the Big East and BCS Bowls.

He didn't OWN the message nor did he start the discussion he later alleges he had hoped this thread would discuss.

But since "accuracy" is of concern to you, I eagerly await the evidence that proves your final contention that the St. Pete Times held on to the story for 2 months.

Cheers,
Neil

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting. You'll get acknowledgement sometime after he acknowledges that whole Oklahoma stomping West Virginia prediction, which I expect about 20 minutes after hell freezes over.

I think most UCF fans are finally more concerned about their own program (at least for a little while) now that 90% of their offensive production announced that he's skipping his senior season and entering the draft.

USFFan

usffan Wrote:

omnicarrier Wrote:

South Tampa Knight Wrote:

CyberBull Wrote:The the thing with KnightLight is that he is not very honest with himself, so why should his posting style be any different?

So what he posted was not accurate?

Why not ask why the St. Pete Times held on to the story for two months until after the season?

Surprise, another UCF fan who doesn't get it.

The being honest part of this post (which was made directly in response to my post calling KL out) has to do with the fact that he tried to "sneak" the Moffitt info onto this board in a post he disguised as a blog about the Big East and BCS Bowls.

He didn't OWN the message nor did he start the discussion he later alleges he had hoped this thread would discuss.

But since "accuracy" is of concern to you, I eagerly await the evidence that proves your final contention that the St. Pete Times held on to the story for 2 months.

Cheers,
Neil

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting. You'll get acknowledgement sometime after he acknowledges that whole Oklahoma stomping West Virginia prediction, which I expect about 20 minutes after hell freezes over.

I think most UCF fans are finally more concerned about their own program (at least for a little while) now that 90% of their offensive production announced that he's skipping his senior season and entering the draft.

USFFan

Really? After their bowl loss to Miss St, he said that he was coming back. I should'nt be surprised that a young man would change his mind so abruptly.

As someone who could care less either way (UCF or USF) my opinion is as follows:

UCF and fans - Most of you are getting you jabs in (some subtle, some full digs) and are enjoying the bad publicity around the Moffit issue. Chill out and focus on your own. Hey, I know that smack is part of this forum, but it's gotten out of control. Don't constantly point fingers because, soon enough, it will be pointed back at you.

and

USF fans - Whether UCF fans are getting yout goat or not, this is an issue. It is not good for your program. It shows poorly on behalf of your university. If you see otherwise, you are seeing things throught male, cow eyes only.

That being said, i don't think the things going on at USF are exclusive to that university. It would be the exception, not the norm that these things are not happening at all universities (football player or not). That does not mean that it is not a breach of the ethics agreement for the university. It is and it is cheating.

In conclusion, this seems more like a pissing match between rival Jr. high girls. You are a cheater. You're jealous. Blah, blah, blah. We are all meeting behind the putt putt. I took three Budweisers from my Dad's fridge and have a half a pack of Marlboros. Meet us there. Please try not to get your braces locked together when you kiss and make up.

OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:South Florida's rapid rise in college football should have set off alarms with the NCAA. Its odd that a school can climb to the top of college football that fast.

I am not sure you can call a team in the "top" of college football who has never finished a season in the top 25 and is 1-2 in mid-tier Bowl games.

There is not a football team in this country that is loaded with future Heart surgeons. If we are all being honest most football teams have the majority of their players skirting the edge of academic eligibility every game.

Yes, OUBOBCATJOHN is just as jealous as STK, KL, and the rest of the morons posting in this thread.

cuseroc Wrote:

usffan Wrote:

omnicarrier Wrote:

South Tampa Knight Wrote:

CyberBull Wrote:The the thing with KnightLight is that he is not very honest with himself, so why should his posting style be any different?

So what he posted was not accurate?

Why not ask why the St. Pete Times held on to the story for two months until after the season?

Surprise, another UCF fan who doesn't get it.

The being honest part of this post (which was made directly in response to my post calling KL out) has to do with the fact that he tried to "sneak" the Moffitt info onto this board in a post he disguised as a blog about the Big East and BCS Bowls.

He didn't OWN the message nor did he start the discussion he later alleges he had hoped this thread would discuss.

But since "accuracy" is of concern to you, I eagerly await the evidence that proves your final contention that the St. Pete Times held on to the story for 2 months.

Cheers,
Neil

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting. You'll get acknowledgement sometime after he acknowledges that whole Oklahoma stomping West Virginia prediction, which I expect about 20 minutes after hell freezes over.

I think most UCF fans are finally more concerned about their own program (at least for a little while) now that 90% of their offensive production announced that he's skipping his senior season and entering the draft.

USFFan

Really? After their bowl loss to Miss St, he said that he was coming back. I should'nt be surprised that a young man would change his mind so abruptly.

He said in a press conference before the game that he was coming back for his senior season, but now he's changed his mind.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3184342

Truth be told, I think he did everything right. Before the game, he emphatically said he was coming back. That way, it effectively ended a week + of speculation about his future and allowed his teammates to focus on the task at hand (Mississippi State) instead of constantly answering questions about Kevin Smith.

Truth be told, he would have been foolish to come back for his senior season. What did he have left to prove? He's now #2 all time in single season rushing and he set a record with 450 carries. Frankly, another 450 carries as a senior would have teams worried that he was worn out, not to mention the prospects of getting injured.

By declaring now, he also lets potential RB recruits know that he won't be there next year, which allows them to sign a stud who knows that UCF will happily feature a running back and that they won't have to sit behind him next season. So, like I said, he played this perfectly.

USFFan