KnightLight Wrote:

omnicarrier Wrote:

KnightLight Wrote:Neil,

Sad to see that you are an abator.

Kill the messenger but not the message.

What I am nailing you for is not OWNING the message. You attempted to "disguise" it in a generic post about the Big East (which is a conference, not a single team) and BCS Bowls.

You know why you linked that blog and so does everyone else. So why run from it? Be a man, own up to it, and title the post - USF's Moffitt Suspected of Cheating.
The way you did it was - to put it bluntly - pathetic and weak.

Cheers,
Neil

Sorry you didn't get it, (you usually do).

The AOL Big East Blog had only minor details to the USF situation plus had other articles on other Big East Teams.

I choose that one on purpose since it included all the other info and didn't have all the damaging evidence as say the Tampa Tribune article from earlier today (http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/jan/04/...es-bulls).

Thought this would help lead the topic into a discussion about:

1) Should someone (NCAA, journalists or other organization) re-examine every major football program's academic standards and practices?

2) Should Div I-A Scholarship football players be allowed to take online classes?

3) If online classes are allowed, should every school follow FSU's new requirement that all online course exams be taken in a proctored testing center on campus with ID checks at the door?

4) Prior to this incident, I'm sure some FLA journalist, because of the FSU scandal, was going to investigate every FLA football program online course classwork and how many football players took online courses.

5) Schools are in a Catch-22 as online courses offer HUGE profit margins for institutions since no classroom space needs to be reserved 2-3 days per week and literally hundreds and hundreds of students will pay full tuition to take an "online" course.

Again Neil, I'm surprised you missed that.

KL, I didn't miss anything.

This isn't about the blog containing other Big East material.

Nor was it about what you had hoped to lead the discussion on.

Had you truly wanted that, you could have easily began the post by saying, "This isn't an anti-USF post, but I was wondering considering the situation at FSU and now the potential issue USF may be faced with in the Moffitt incident, what are your thoughts about..."

No, this was an obvious attempt by you to sneak in an article that had the information about Moffitt (the real reason behind creating the post) while disguising it as, "here's a blog about the Big East and BCS Bowls" - in the hopes of having the thread focus on Moffitt's and potentially USF's transgressions without having posters attack you, once again, for your over the top anti-USF bias.

I have no problem with discussing the issues that you say you had hoped the thread would discuss.

Believe it or not, I also have no problem with a UCF fan taking glee from a situation that may cause harm to USF. After all, that's part of the nature of sports rivalries.

I do have a problem with duplicity, especially when it is used in order to try and protect (or in your case - keep from eroding further) image.

And this feeble attempt to try and explain it away after being called on it only continues to make you look weak and pathetic.

Save us all, but mostly yourself, further embarrassment and move on.

Come back in a week or so and begin what should have been the real discussion in earnest.

Sincerely,
Neil

From all I've heard so far, it sounds to me like he has an ex-lover really pissed at him.

This kind of thing happens at every school in every sport and in every other class that colleges have. If you don't think so, you are wayyyy to naive. The only way to remedy this is to have kids do their work while being supervised by university staff all the time. I am not condoning cheating. I have stated so before. But it happens everywhere.

bitcruncher Wrote:From all I've heard so far, it sounds to me like he has an ex-lover really pissed at him.

Yep. She is very

KnightLight Wrote:

omnicarrier Wrote:

KnightLight Wrote:Neil,

Sad to see that you are an abator.

Kill the messenger but not the message.

What I am nailing you for is not OWNING the message. You attempted to "disguise" it in a generic post about the Big East (which is a conference, not a single team) and BCS Bowls.

You know why you linked that blog and so does everyone else. So why run from it? Be a man, own up to it, and title the post - USF's Moffitt Suspected of Cheating.
The way you did it was - to put it bluntly - pathetic and weak.

Cheers,
Neil

Sorry you didn't get it, (you usually do).

The AOL Big East Blog had only minor details to the USF situation plus had other articles on other Big East Teams.

I choose that one on purpose since it included all the other Big East Team info and didn't have all the damaging evidence as say the Tampa Tribune article from earlier today (http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/jan/04/...es-bulls).

Thought this would help lead the topic into a discussion about:

1) Should someone (NCAA, journalists or other organization) re-examine every major football program's academic standards and practices?

2) Should Div I-A Scholarship football players be allowed to take online classes?

3) If online classes are allowed, should every school follow FSU's new requirement that all online course exams be taken in a proctored testing center on campus with ID checks at the door?

4) Prior to this incident, I'm sure some FLA journalist, because of the FSU scandal, was going to investigate every FLA football program online course classwork and how many football players took online courses.

5) Schools are in a Catch-22 as online courses offer HUGE profit margins for institutions since no classroom space needs to be reserved 2-3 days per week and literally hundreds and hundreds of students will pay full tuition to take an "online" course.

Again Neil, I'm surprised you missed that.

Nice try....but we have read your posts for far too long to know that you always have an agenda. It must really suck to be an UCF fan, b/c you can't beat us on the field in any sport and a mountain is being made out of a mole hill regarding this situation. However you and your lover KnightTime^ should have a good time working on your new website.

i always thought the moffit commuting from school story was way overplayed by the media, it's a shame this had to go public, divorces are always messy and this one is no exception. funny thing is moffit's wife is a member of our scout site and all season she's done nothing but gush about her ex-husband, very surprising to say the least.

USFMike Wrote:i always thought the moffit commuting from school story was way overplayed by the media, it's a shame this had to go public, divorces are always messy and this one is no exception. funny thing is moffit's wife is a member of our scout site and all season she's done nothing but gush about her ex-husband, very surprising to say the least.

The media has a way of quickly building people up and then tearing them down just as fast.

Don't UCF fans have a life. People get divorces for gosh sake! Its sad but it happens all the time!

Wilkie01 Wrote:Don't UCF fans have a life. People get divorces for gosh sake! Its sad but it happens all the time!

This isn't just a divorce. She said wrote all his papers for 5 years and took his online tests. Even a GA knew about the cheating by Moffitt. The paper in Tampa held the story until after the season so Moffitt would be eligible to play. Let's not forget the S. Fla played on the "Feel Good" story to the media all year and it was all a fake. The cheating is most likely by more than just Moffitt if he pulled it off for 5 years even with GA's knowing about it.

If you want to think this is only a divorce then just be stupid.

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:

Wilkie01 Wrote:Don't UCF fans have a life. People get divorces for gosh sake! Its sad but it happens all the time!

This isn't just a divorce. She said wrote all his papers for 5 years and took his online tests. Even a GA knew about the cheating by Moffitt. The paper in Tampa held the story until after the season so Moffitt would be eligible to play. Let's not forget the S. Fla played on the "Feel Good" story to the media all year and it was all a fake. The cheating is most likely by more than just Moffitt if he pulled it off for 5 years even with GA's knowing about it.

If you want to think this is only a divorce then just be stupid.

Its only more than just a divorce to stupid petty ucif fans who are blowing this thing way out of proportion. This thing will die over and USF, the university will not get any kind of death sentence, and you ucif fans will be the ones looking even more stupid than you already are, if that is possible.

I'm with Wilkie

GET A LIFE

CyberBull Wrote:The the thing with KnightLight is that he is not very honest with himself, so why should his posting style be any different?

So what he posted was not accurate?

Why not ask why the St. Pete Times held on to the story for two months until after the season?

bitcruncher Wrote:From all I've heard so far, it sounds to me like he has an ex-lover really pissed at him.

An ex lover?

How about his current wife and mother to his two children.

She worked the jobs and from the story, did all his work and he got all the praise. For five years she was good enough for him, now, when it it time to get paid, he leaves her. Whatever, that is his decision, but now he has not one, but two lawyers and the guy still has not made a dime, hmmmm, can you say agent already. Once again, who cares, but as the GA said, everyone knew.

Here is a clue divorces happen all of the time and usually someone gets burned. In this case obviously she cant come to terms that is over and is trying to screw him as much as she can.
Here are some clues
1. All are ALLEGATIONS by her and her sister. Are they true? Maybe yes and maybe no, all we have are her side of the story.
2. She made it clear that the coaches didnt know and that a GA told her he knew he wrote the papers. The GA said he didnt say that. So once again all we have is her word vs his.
3. If she wrote all those papers for him then she is as guilty as he is of the crime. If true he should lose his degree or shot at it. Once again must be proven true all we have are allegations.
4. How could ANY school make sure that their players are doing the work and not their GF or wives? This is not like FSU where a PAID SCHOOL official was helping the players. or like Auburn when PAID SCHOOL officials were in charge of fake classes for athletes. As far as I know the SCHOOL was not PAYING her for taking online courses nor writing his papers.
So I tell you what you freaking UCF losers can continue to hope USF gets sanctions by NCAA because you know that that is the ONLY way you can keep up with USF on the field.

South Tampa Knight Wrote:Why not ask why the St. Pete Times held on to the story for two months until after the season?

Since this is now being spouted as gospel, can I ask where you've seen that the Times sat on this story for two months? The closest thing I've seen to this is the following paragraph from Greg Auman's initial report:

Quote:Moffitt’s wife and children were noticeably absent on the field at Raymond James Stadium when USF’s seniors were honored before their final home game. A week later, when questioned after USF’s football game at Pittsburgh in late November, Moffitt said the relationship was fine. Asked why he wasn’t wearing his wedding ring, he said it was in his pocket, that he didn’t wear it during games.

It's not even clear here that Auman was the person who asked Moffitt about his marriage or his wedding ring. Certainly, even if it were, Moffitt's marital status should not have been public news. What made this newsworthy was the allegations that his wife did his coursework, and by all accounts, those allegations were first levelled yesterday. That's hardly "holding" a story. Then again, it makes for much greater drama and feeds your fantasy that somehow USF is the great devil who is performing every atrocity known to mankind in some kind of vast conspiracy.

USFFan

I agree with Cubanbull. IF she broke the rules by writing the papers and now she is coming forward because he is divorcing her, as she says, her integrity is in question. She's basically saying she is a liar and a cheat and so is her husband. It is hard to confess to being unethical and then convince other people that your word is bond when your motivation is frankly selfish.
Motiff is leaving her or they are leaving each other.
She probably did write all of his papers with her sister's help and her mother knew about it. WTF had Motiff been making millions in the NFL all these ladies were hoping for a payoff. An average defense lawyer would get these ladies to admit they knowingly lied and cheated and defrauded academia at the university and then question their motives for coming forward now. These are not a group of good girls. They are selfish and self-serving. They could have helped teach Motiff to do his own work from the jump. Why didn't they just do that?

mlb Wrote:Until someone is implicated that is associated with the University I'm not sure how he can say major NCAA violations. If it comes out that they knew, then obviously there will be some big issues. At that point Leavitt will be out of a job, I would guess.

It is nice that every time something negative happens about USF the UCF fans come over here and let us all know. Never seen a fan base so dedicated to making sure every negative thing that happens at a school is reported on the conference message board.

Still won't help get UCF into the Big East as well.

Its pathetic isnt it? They just cant get over the fact that we are out of their league.

As for this story, doesnt matter. Sounds to me like its just a pissed off woman. Maybe there is domestic problems at home and shes mad so shes throwing around accusations, either way there is nothing to support any of it. Not to mention, hes going to be in the NFL in a few months. Non story.

Im sure shes just mad that she wont be with him when he gets his nfl contract.

South Florida's rapid rise in college football should have set off alarms with the NCAA. Its odd that a school can climb to the top of college football that fast.

Having been a big supporter of UCF into the BE for some time now, I did start a thread some time ago voicing concerns about UCF hoping it was unfounded, I thought I saw a nasty trend which I hoped at the time was my mistaken perception.

Sadly, that does not seem to be the case. This is complete garbage, this is a family dispute, ugly as it may be, but they're all UGLY when it comes down to it. Why bring this up?

IMO, this should not have been blown up by UCF fans. You've attacked a BE brethren, one who means much more to us than YOU do. We will defend OUR own. Remember that!

Good luck finding a BCS conference who will take you in the future. As for the 'elf, when it's time for him to cast his vote...

The point is that the university should not get punished for this since it was pretty much homework. There is no way they could have known that Moffit's wife did his work for him. Colleges are asking for fraud when they offer on-line courses in the first place. Doesnt make it right for what the Moffit's did, but I dont see how the NCAA can punish USF for this since it was not a school official doing the work like FSU had school officials doing the FSU players work. To compare USF's situation to FSU's situation is pretty lame. If Moffit's wife would have worked for USF then you would have something.

I truly wish some of my fellow knight fans would let some of this stuff go.. Its one thing to post it on the UCF board and have some fun with it.. its another to jump on evey board U can and put it up.. Drop it already.