Just a thought!!!
The BE can really hurt and dilute the ACC just by adding two teams. If East Carolina and Central Florida were add to the BE football only league that would add two additional BCS schools in the ACC core area. By adding two BCS schools the new BE schools would now be able to compete for BCS recruits against the Carolina and Florida schools head to head. The new BE schools would of course take talant away from both schools in the ACC which will dilute there recruiting and make them less talented and more beatable then the already are.
I think it will work if the BE makes it happen.

Sounds good, in theory. I certainly don't think very highly of the ACC, but should the BE add teams just to try to hurt the ACC? Not sure it would work anyway...

If The BEast really wanted to hurt the ACC, we'd take BC and VT back, along with Maryland, or possibly Miami (although I'd rather not), and then wait for Notre Dame to decide whether or not they want to join. If ND isn't ready to join, screw 'em and add another team. Penn State would be the preferred other member.

But since I hate expansion threads, and most likely none of this will ever happen, I didn't say this.

bitcruncher Wrote:If The BEast really wanted to hurt the ACC, we'd take BC and VT back, along with Maryland, or possibly Miami (although I'd rather not), and then wait for Notre Dame to decide whether or not they want to join. If ND isn't ready to join, screw 'em and add another team. Penn State would be the preferred other member.

Not likely, any more than C-USA could really hurt the Big East by taking Lousville, USF and Cincinnati back.

BC and VPI aren't interested in the Big East anymore and vice versa. Maryland has less than zero interest in leaving the ACC. And, of course, ND isn't going to change its status and we all should know that by now.

The Big East should add teams that will strengthen it. Who cares what it does to the other leagues. The Carolina ACC schools will always be a basketball first, football second reality. They are NOT what the ACC football is built around. Miami,Vtech,FSU and Clemson are the ACC football teams that need to be national powers for them to succedd. Right now VTech is the only one doing its share and thats why they are weak.
In football I think the Big East needs WV,Pitt,USF,Rutgers and Louisville to be strong in football. Right now only WV has been cnsistent yearly. Cincy could join this group but the problem is that USF,Cincy and RU wil need a few years of top 25 rankings to reach that level.
UConn had a great year but I really see UConn and Syracuse as being the BIG basketabll powers in the league (football schools only). They wil have success but it will really be hard for them to compete yearly with the others.

The BIG EAST should only expand to it benefit and not just to hurt another league.

The only way we would hurt the ACC is if we got VPI and BC back. Now that would make a great Football league.

Boston College
Virginia Tech
West Virginia
Pittsburgh
UConn
Rutgers
Syracuse
Louisville
Cincinnati
South Florida

That league IMO would be 2nd only to the SEC in football power and still the best Basketball league in the nation with Louisville, UConn, Syracuse, Boston College, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati and West Virginia.

Why are we talking about VT and BC coming back? Everyone knows they wont do it. The only one that might even consider it is BC because of how out of their region they are, but i think if we take BC back the ACC turns around and takes Louisville or WVU. Not worth it.

If ND or Penn State ever want to join, welcome them with open arms, but they wont.

If we want a great conference in all sports, add Memphis and TCU and go to 10 teams. Maybe also add ECU and UCF or Temple for 12 teams but im personally against a 12 team league.

BullsBEAST Wrote:Why are we talking about VT and BC coming back? Everyone knows they wont do it. The only one that might even consider it is BC because of how out of their region they are, but i think if we take BC back the ACC turns around and takes Louisville or WVU. Not worth it.

If ND or Penn State ever want to join, welcome them with open arms, but they wont.

If we want a great conference in all sports, add Memphis and TCU and go to 10 teams. Maybe also add ECU and UCF or Temple for 12 teams but im personally against a 12 team league.

Nobody thinks BC or VPI are coming back. VPI is in a great situation and BC will not come back due to pride-(longterm they do belong in the BIG EAST though).

I am of the camp of a split and add Temple and UCF-(I know USF fans hate this). But this would allow us to model ourselves after the Pac Ten who IMO has the best setup of any league.

bitcruncher Wrote:If The BEast really wanted to hurt the ACC, we'd take BC and VT back, along with Maryland, or possibly Miami (although I'd rather not), and then wait for Notre Dame to decide whether or not they want to join. If ND isn't ready to join, screw 'em and add another team. Penn State would be the preferred other member.

But since I hate expansion threads, and most likely none of this will ever happen, I didn't say this.

I can't hear you! What did you say?

Maize Wrote:The BIG EAST should only expand to it benefit and not just to hurt another league.

The only way we would hurt the ACC is if we got VPI and BC back. Now that would make a great Football league.

Boston College
Virginia Tech
West Virginia
Pittsburgh
UConn
Rutgers
Syracuse
Louisville
Cincinnati
South Florida

That league IMO would be 2nd only to the SEC in football power and still the best Basketball league in the nation with Louisville, UConn, Syracuse, Boston College, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati and West Virginia.

Spot on!

Adding Penn State and Memphis to get to 12 would be pretty sweet, also! :kneelsucka:

Wilkie01 Wrote:

Maize Wrote:The BIG EAST should only expand to it benefit and not just to hurt another league.

The only way we would hurt the ACC is if we got VPI and BC back. Now that would make a great Football league.

Boston College
Virginia Tech
West Virginia
Pittsburgh
UConn
Rutgers
Syracuse
Louisville
Cincinnati
South Florida

That league IMO would be 2nd only to the SEC in football power and still the best Basketball league in the nation with Louisville, UConn, Syracuse, Boston College, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati and West Virginia.

Spot on!

Adding Penn State and Memphis to get to 12 would be pretty sweet, also! :kneelsucka:

I will go you one better since this is a pipedream. Throw out Memphis and add Maryland and it DC Market.

BIG EAST
NORTH
Boston College
Syracuse
Rutgers
UConn
Penn State
Maryland

BIG EAST
SOUTH
West Virginia
Virginia Tech
Louisville
Cincinnati
South Florida
Pittsburgh

Each school would have a permament rival:

West Virginia-Maryland
Pittsburgh-Penn State
Virginia Tech-Boston College
Louisville-Rutgers
Cincinnati-Syracuse
UConn-South Florida

BIG EAST Championship Game would be in the Meadowlands-(Giant Stadium) and Fed Ex Field in Washington DC/Landover MD.

It would be great, also. Since we talking dream now:

BIG EAST
NORTH
Boston College
Syracuse
Rutgers
UConn
Pittsburgh
Penn State
Maryland

BIG EAST
SOUTH
Notre Dame
West Virginia
Virginia Tech
Louisville
Cincinnati
Memphis
South Florida

Maize Wrote:BIG EAST Championship Game would be in the Meadowlands-(Giant Stadium) and Fed Ex Field in Washington DC/Landover MD.

It could also be held at Gillette Stadium up in Foxboro and at Lincoln Financial Field in Philly. Talk about a nice rotation.

I like to focus on reality. VTech,Maryland and PSU are not going anywhere.
So the choices become.
1. Stay put with our current 8 FB-16 Bk team league
2. Split and form a 9 all sports league (adding Memphis,ECU or UCF)
3. Split add a ninth all sports school and bring in ND,Villanova and Gtown for a 12 team Bk league.

I really dont think there is any monetary gain from adding a 10-12 football teams so thats why i didnt consider them.

Wilkie01 Wrote:

bitcruncher Wrote:If The BEast really wanted to hurt the ACC, we'd take BC and VT back, along with Maryland, or possibly Miami (although I'd rather not), and then wait for Notre Dame to decide whether or not they want to join. If ND isn't ready to join, screw 'em and add another team. Penn State would be the preferred other member.

But since I hate expansion threads, and most likely none of this will ever happen, I didn't say this.

I can't hear you! What did you say?

Is this the person to whom I am speaking? I speak not, so I don't think so.

Merry Christmas!

Since the BE doesn't pay every body the same. 12 school conf would pay for it's self, 4 million dollar championship game at the top seed, more bowls, more BB bids, bigger TV contract, less travel, one less OOC game to buy. I like UCF, Memphis, Temple & [ EC for FB only & ND for BB ]

Have a Happy..

I agree that if there EVER was expansion, it should be for big schools, not non-BCS schools. Otherwise there is no need. Now one minor thing to think about is the possibility that BC could come back and Maryland could follow if the BE were to split and these schools technically wouldn't be joining/rejoining the Big East. Also, with this new conference being formed and after JoePa retires, Penn State might be more realistic than you'd think (but only once Paterno is gone).

Maize Wrote:Each school would have a permament rival:

West Virginia-Maryland
Pittsburgh-Penn State
Virginia Tech-Boston College
Louisville-Rutgers
Cincinnati-Syracuse
UConn-South Florida

BIG EAST Championship Game would be in the Meadowlands-(Giant Stadium) and Fed Ex Field in Washington DC/Landover MD.

Good idea, but I would modify it slightly. No VT and leave it at 11 teams. Like the Big Ten, each school has two rivals who they play each year (one home, one away). Then each school plays six other teams (out of the remaining 8) on a rotating basis, only not playing two schools each year. That makes 8 conference games with 4 games open for OOC. Here are the rivalries:

BC: Syracuse, UConn
Syracuse: BC, Penn State
UConn: Rutgers, BC
Penn State: Pitt, Syracuse
West Virginia: Pitt, Maryland
Pitt: Penn State, West Virginia
Rutgers: Maryland, UConn
Cincinnati: Louisville, S. Florida
Louisville: Cincinnati, S. Florida
Maryland: West Virginia, Rutgers
S. Florida: Louisville, Cincinnati