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RE: RRod meets with Michigan?
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CatsClaw Wrote:The talk going around is that he is having trouble negotiating the buyout because it is a 4 million dollar buyout until August 1st of 2008.

Its not $4MM, it is tied to some sort of facility improvments. Fox sports just said it would be around half that. Not sure what the details are.


RRod is upset that West Virginia hasn't improved their facilities, at least I think he's still upset about that, so maybe they're promising that. But the 4 million dollar buyout was part of the reason why RR is staying at West Virginia. Hopefully WVU give him his facilities upgrades because he seems pissed enough to walk out the door.

-- CC, that's not true about the fascility upgrades. The "Hall of Traditions" or whatever its called was completed this past summer. If I remember correctly construction on the Academic center has started and the locker rooms will be remodled when the season is over.

I don't know if you can see it on TV or not, but at the games you can see the materials and equipment in the back of one of the endzones that are being used for the additions that are putting on to the WVU football complex

RR may leave or stay, but if he does leave its not because WVU has somehow lied to him. The new president has made it is goal that RR ends his coaching days in Morgantown. Actually, it strikes me that RR is the one who has been less then forthcoming

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I think the University has been very gracious to give Coach Rod what he wants. The renovations are in progress as well as plans for more in the very near future. The donors that have taken on the costs of these renovations in order to keep Coach Rod have to be feeling betrayed.

Coach Rod referred to the meeting as rumors and innuendos, I guess we'll find out if that is just what they are. 05-mafia
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He starting to sound like Bobby Petrino.03-shhhh
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RE: RRod meets with Michigan?
Right now, everything is speculation. Coach Rod didn't say anything prior to turning down Alabama last year, and everyone thought he was gone. So far, he's done nothing of significance and said nothing. Same with everyone else involved.
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that he's not saying anything confirms he's interested. Oh well.
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RE: RRod meets with Michigan?
MOUNTAINEERFAN64 Wrote:
Jackson1011 Wrote:
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CatsClaw Wrote:The talk going around is that he is having trouble negotiating the buyout because it is a 4 million dollar buyout until August 1st of 2008.

Its not $4MM, it is tied to some sort of facility improvments. Fox sports just said it would be around half that. Not sure what the details are.


RRod is upset that West Virginia hasn't improved their facilities, at least I think he's still upset about that, so maybe they're promising that. But the 4 million dollar buyout was part of the reason why RR is staying at West Virginia. Hopefully WVU give him his facilities upgrades because he seems pissed enough to walk out the door.

-- CC, that's not true about the fascility upgrades. The "Hall of Traditions" or whatever its called was completed this past summer. If I remember correctly construction on the Academic center has started and the locker rooms will be remodled when the season is over.

I don't know if you can see it on TV or not, but at the games you can see the materials and equipment in the back of one of the endzones that are being used for the additions that are putting on to the WVU football complex

RR may leave or stay, but if he does leave its not because WVU has somehow lied to him. The new president has made it is goal that RR ends his coaching days in Morgantown. Actually, it strikes me that RR is the one who has been less then forthcoming

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I think the University has been very gracious to give Coach Rod what he wants. The renovations are in progress as well as plans for more in the very near future. The donors that have taken on the costs of these renovations in order to keep Coach Rod have to be feeling betrayed.

Coach Rod referred to the meeting as rumors and innuendos, I guess we'll find out if that is just what they are. 05-mafia


-- The scary thing is the money for the renovations isn't coming from the University. It coming from "friends of the football program". That's why what Rich is doing doesn't strike me as being very smart. Those folks put their money on the table when Coach Rod was crying this time last yr and now that may not be good enough

If all the reports about the meeting are true, then he may have burned some bridges with some important people.

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Hey, any time a big name program is interested in you it's a big boost to the ego. That's human nature. And talking to Michigan doesn't mean he's leaving. Being a West Virginia native counts for a lot, and being a Mountaineer alumnus is big too. I'm going to wait and see.
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A little OT, but an interesting rumor from Hokie land

http://hamptonroads.com/2007/12/bud%2526...ving.-now.


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bitcruncher Wrote:Hey, any time a big name program is interested in you it's a big boost to the ego. That's human nature. And talking to Michigan doesn't mean he's leaving. Being a West Virginia native counts for a lot, and being a Mountaineer alumnus is big too. I'm going to wait and see.

It's not so much him talking to Michigan that has people upset, it's him running to talk to them AFTER do this last year, and then refusing to talk to his boss. The interesting comment from the WVU administration, they said that they didn't know whether or not he was talking to Michigan but that it would be "highly unusual for him to be talking to them without asking them first". Ouch!
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South Tampa Knight Wrote:Its not $4MM, it is tied to some sort of facility improvments. Fox sports just said it would be around half that. Not sure what the details are.
Pretty sure it is the full 4 mill. I suppose they could pull a Beilein and try to negotiate it down. I would imagine WVU would put up more of a fight. No tie to facilities that I can see.

Here is a link to a pdf of his contract from USA Today.

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his timing sucks with this,imo. 'Big time' programs will continue to call in the future. Its giving the perception its more than just a courtesy call.
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Why is it every time a coach interviews for a different job people start throwing the loyalty card out there? Are coaches any different than you or I? If a company calls you up and is willing to offer more money or a better position, wouldn't you at least give thought?
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CardFANATIC Wrote:Why is it every time a coach interviews for a different job people start throwing the loyalty card out there? Are coaches any different than you or I? If a company calls you up and is willing to offer more money or a better position, wouldn't you at least give thought?

Because Rich lied through his teeth and people have been putting their time, energy, hearts, souls and money into this program.
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Honestly, the 2 coaches that should be the last to leave their jobs would be Wanny & Rod. They are both home coaching their alma mater. Wanny has repeatedly said Pitt will be his last coaching job. Rod needs to let the folks in West Virginia know he is home to stay.
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bitcruncher Wrote:If it's a spending war, WVU has lost to start with. I don't think that's it.

Actually, maybe not.

See Michigan thinks its SOOOOOOO high and mighty and prestigious so that theydo not HAVE to pay high top $$$$$ (offered Miles about $1.5 Million LESS than what LSU offered) because EVERYONE wants to coach at Michigan.

puhleeze, money was never the issue during the Les Miles fiasco; Michigan made a competitive offer. What kept Miles from returning to Ann Arbor were the string attached to his offer. It would have required Miles to retain some of Carr's staff including one assistant who would act as a "liason" to Lloyd Carr.
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MichiganTiger Wrote:
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bitcruncher Wrote:If it's a spending war, WVU has lost to start with. I don't think that's it.

Actually, maybe not.

See Michigan thinks its SOOOOOOO high and mighty and prestigious so that theydo not HAVE to pay high top $$$$$ (offered Miles about $1.5 Million LESS than what LSU offered) because EVERYONE wants to coach at Michigan.

puhleeze, money was never the issue during the Les Miles fiasco; Michigan made a competitive offer. What kept Miles from returning to Ann Arbor were the string attached to his offer. It would have required Miles to retain some of Carr's staff including one assistant who would act as a "liason" to Lloyd Carr.


You completely missed the point of the post. We never said that Miles didn't go to Michigan because of money, we said that the Les Miles situation showed that Michigan hasn't shown a willingness to offer really big money to coaching candidates. Everybody knows the Les Miles situation already, that's nothing new.
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CardFANATIC Wrote:Why is it every time a coach interviews for a different job people start throwing the loyalty card out there? Are coaches any different than you or I? If a company calls you up and is willing to offer more money or a better position, wouldn't you at least give thought?

Again, you missed the point. For one, this isn't like any other job he is under contract. Second, he refused to talk to his bosses, who he is under contract with, to talk about the situation. Third, he threw a fit about wanting better facilities, so people put up their personal money to upgrade the facilities and he rewards them by going behind their back and talking to Michigan, and then lying/being evasive about it. And yes, coaches are different then you and I because they have contracts. Unless you have a contract. And if you do have a contract I doubt that your boss would be happy if you went behind his back to talk to a competitor about a position. And then refused to talk to him.
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-- best article I have seen on the situation

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December 16, 2007
Rodriguez situation has no upside for WVU


By Mitch Vingle
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IT WAS irony at its best. There was Rich Rodriguez in the midst of a press conference trying to steer away from the reports that he had met with Michigan officials about the Wolverine football job.

And the presser was being held in the renovated part of the Puskar Center. The part of the Center he pushed to have renovated when he turned down Alabama to stay in Morgantown. The part adjacent to the new academic center. The part that looks out over the new suites and directly over the locker rooms that are scheduled to be renovated now that the home season is over.

West Virginia University officials have bent over backward to keep the coach, to keep him happy. They apparently have paid to the point of strain. Yet one year after flirting with Alabama, he was flirting again with Michigan.


Forget Peoria. That didn’t play well in Morgantown. Or Charleston. Or Wheeling.

Loads of people in the Mountain State were recalling Rodriguez’s words when he turned down the Crimson Tide.

“When the details [of the new contract with WVU] come out, you’ll see that I’m committed to West Virginia University for a very, very long time,’’ said the coach at the time.

Yet last Friday he was in Toledo, Ohio, discussing an offer with UM.

Move over Nick Saban, huh? Hello Bobby Petrino Land.

Whatever is announced after the deadline for this column, it’s damage that one doubts can or could have been controlled.

Word out of Touchdown City is Rodriguez was so tight-lipped he didn’t even clue in his own assistants — some of which were on the road recruiting. Perhaps looking a bit foolish.

There’s a way to handle this kind of situation. And Rodriguez didn’t handle it well. Instead of addressing the situation straight on, he was coy. What WVU administrator, Rodriguez coworker or fan wants, or deserves, coyness? What financial supporter wants to watch his or her coach dancing after putting forth hard-earned money? Just come out with it. “Yes, I’m listening to Michigan. I’ll make a decision within 24 hours.” Then follow through.

Much of his good will with the fans has dissolved. I said earlier in the week all Rodriguez had to do was turn Michigan down, win the Fiesta Bowl and he’d again be a hero. I’m not so sure now.

The folks in these parts tired of the dalliances.

Oddly, Don Nehlen, the former WVU coach and UM assistant, was interviewed by one of the Detroit newspapers.

“If Rich talks to me, I’d tell him what I think,” Nehlen said. “Naturally, I love West Virginia. I coached there 21 years and stayed here, but I understand the mystique of Michigan. You talk about Michigan football ... Let’s be honest, that’s as good as it gets.’’

I guess what the coach doesn’t understand is that the level of Michigan’s program is what West Virginia wants to reach. Maybe the school never will draw over 100,000 to games, but, hey, that’s the goal, right? And, save for the Pitt game, WVU was more than pointed in the right direction. If memory serves, the Mountaineers are ranked in the top 10. The Wolverines are not ranked at all.

WVU athletic director Ed Pastilong and company had to think Rodriguez’s purpose was to help the Mountaineers climb toward the tradition of the Wolverines, not put his alma mater in the position of a stepping stone. John Beilein I think some can understand. But a boy from Grant Town?

Look, Rodriguez is a proven winner on the field, but his alma mater lost in a big way over the last couple of days. The damage is severe. Pastilong, Mike Parsons and the rest of the WVU honchos have to be fed up. The assistants have to be upset.

And I haven’t even touched upon the players. What must they be thinking? They came to play for the guy for four years in a five-year span. Yet every year he’s checking into moving? Who wants to get serious with someone sporting a wandering eye?

However you look at it, it’s a right cross to a program Rodriguez professes to love. To the psyche of the players and coaches. To the fans who have been asked to dress in gold, fill the stadium and donate cash.

And, oh my goodness, to the recruiting effort. When Rodriguez turned down Alabama, it made a statement. A heck of a statement. “Nothing,” the move said, “is going to pry me away from my home state.” Now all of that’s gone. If you don’t think recruiters from other schools would point to Rodriguez as they did Petrino, I’ve got some sparkling water dipped from the Kanawha River I’d like to sell.

Terrelle Pryor? Josh Jenkins? Nice knowing ya.

Any way you look, there’s no upside to the situation. None. And if Rodriguez was upset by the reaction of WVU fans after the Pitt game, what would he expect at Michigan? We’re talking about people who live in Detroit. If you’ve not been to Detroit, ask a friend. Soft the people are not. Go ahead. Win 11 games at UM, yet lose to Ohio State. See how that goes over. Do it two years in a row and we’ll see you back on the Tulane sideline.

We’ll have to wait and see how this will impact WVU season ticket sales next season. But forget about selling more Fiesta Bowl tickets.

It’s just a lot of damage.

Inflicted upon one of the program’s builders.

To contact staff writer Mitch Vingle, send e-mail to mitchvingle@wvgazette.com or call 348-4827.
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CardFANATIC Wrote:Why is it every time a coach interviews for a different job people start throwing the loyalty card out there? Are coaches any different than you or I? If a company calls you up and is willing to offer more money or a better position, wouldn't you at least give thought?

Bingo... I even own my own business.. but throw a 100k extra at me.. and I'll tell my boss to take a hike.01-wingedeagle04-jawdrop
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CardFANATIC Wrote:Why is it every time a coach interviews for a different job people start throwing the loyalty card out there? Are coaches any different than you or I? If a company calls you up and is willing to offer more money or a better position, wouldn't you at least give thought?

Again, you missed the point. For one, this isn't like any other job he is under contract. Second, he refused to talk to his bosses, who he is under contract with, to talk about the situation. Third, he threw a fit about wanting better facilities, so people put up their personal money to upgrade the facilities and he rewards them by going behind their back and talking to Michigan, and then lying/being evasive about it. And yes, coaches are different then you and I because they have contracts. Unless you have a contract. And if you do have a contract I doubt that your boss would be happy if you went behind his back to talk to a competitor about a position. And then refused to talk to him.

He may be being evasive.. but if he isnt talking about the situation.. he isn't lying to anyone.
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RE: RRod meets with Michigan?
Look the reality of todays world is that good coaches are paid very well but the same coach that is being wooed by all the top programs today could be fired in a couple of years.
RichRod is riding high now but if he has two consecutive losin seasons at WV many of the same fans that are asking for loyalty now would start grumbling at he needs to win next year or go.
Is the reality of todays world.
So I dont blame any coach for looking out for himself.
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