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Bowls Down the Road
The bowls aren't changing for a few seasons folks...they'll get better the next go round. We need them along the I-85/95 corridors. Having a bowl in Tampa/St Pete will be awesome if it comes about.

Thinking way outside the box how about a bowl in the Tidewater Area?
http://hamptonroads.com/node/333761

Not sure if ODU's stadium could handle an extra 5-10000 of temporary seating though. 20k might be a tad too small for the 6 or 7th place BE team (Remember Notre Dame)

But this is the type of bowl alignment we need. We need to relook the Music City Bowl and make a pitch. With 3-4 teams in the league with a short or medium length car drive maybe the BE can convince the bowl to look again.

Still like this proposed lineup (assuming Notre Dame is still hooked up with us)

1. BCS
2. Gator/Sun (prefer to drop the Sun bowl but I like the idea of rotating bowls--maybe with Outback?)
3. Muffler Bowl (if the payout increases)
4. Pizza Bowl in B-ham or Louisville(if it stays with CUSA need a higher selection) or get back the Music City Bowl my preference. Birmingham is talking about building a Dome--if so I would keep it there over moving it to the 'ville.
5. Tampa/St Pete Bowl (Pre XMas to not interfere with the Outback)
6. International in Toronto or Balt/Wash Bowl (maybe even Syracuse when DestiNY gets done) Realistically we should expect crowds of 25-35k
7. Tidewater/Charleston, SC (make this vs Sun Belt #2 or 3) maybe 25k sized field will be enough...It'll give our 6-6 team more practice--a pre XMas ESPN2 bowl game
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TexasMark; I read your posts with envy, San Antiono is the prettist city I ever saw. Vacationed there 5 times, love that river walk. But who would the BE play in tidewater, the Colional conf.
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I would envision either ACC/MAC/SUN Belt

Obviously as the last bowl in my lineup--it would most likely be a 6-6 Big East Team versus a 6-6 ACC team, or a 8-4 or 7-5 MAC/Sun Belt Team

It could be beneficial for the ACC to drop one of the west coast bowls...both teams and fans could save on travel. The weather in the Tidewater area is close to Charlotte
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I remember reading a few years ago where the ACC was very interested in putting a bowl game in Charleston when the cidetal (spelling?) was looking to expand their stadium. I don’t believe the college ended up expanding with enough seats to pull it off. Another problem you would have is getting the NCAA to certify a bowl game in South Carolina. They still participate in the NAACP’s boycott of the state. I wish it would come to pass though, great city with plenty to do for a bowl trip.
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UCiF fans keep talking about a potential bowl game in their new stadium. However i don't see the Champs Bowl moving and can Orlando really support three bowl games?
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I think we should try and take C-doa's tie in to the liberty bowl and the ACCs tie in to the champs sports bowl, i think both are attainable for us, c-doa is c-doa, and the acc teams that will normally be in the champs sports bowl arent as good of travelers as a higher seeded big east team, WVU, Louisville, Rutgers, and UCONN are all good travelers, with USF right down the road that is 5/8 of the conference that will put fans in the seats

a lineup like this would be something to get excited over:

1. BCS
2. Gator
3. Champs Sports
4. Liberty
5. Car Care
6. Papa Johns/New bowl (if we still have to include Notre Dame in our tie ins)
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TexanMark Wrote:The bowls aren't changing for a few seasons folks...they'll get better the next go round. We need them along the I-85/95 corridors. Having a bowl in Tampa/St Pete will be awesome if it comes about.

Thinking way outside the box how about a bowl in the Tidewater Area?
http://hamptonroads.com/node/333761

Not sure if ODU's stadium could handle an extra 5-10000 of temporary seating though. 20k might be a tad too small for the 6 or 7th place BE team (Remember Notre Dame)

But this is the type of bowl alignment we need. We need to relook the Music City Bowl and make a pitch. With 3-4 teams in the league with a short or medium length car drive maybe the BE can convince the bowl to look again.

Still like this proposed lineup (assuming Notre Dame is still hooked up with us)

1. BCS
2. Gator/Sun (prefer to drop the Sun bowl but I like the idea of rotating bowls--maybe with Outback?)
3. Muffler Bowl (if the payout increases)
4. Pizza Bowl in B-ham or Louisville(if it stays with CUSA need a higher selection) or get back the Music City Bowl my preference. Birmingham is talking about building a Dome--if so I would keep it there over moving it to the 'ville.
5. Tampa/St Pete Bowl (Pre XMas to not interfere with the Outback)
6. International in Toronto or Balt/Wash Bowl (maybe even Syracuse when DestiNY gets done) Realistically we should expect crowds of 25-35k
7. Tidewater/Charleston, SC (make this vs Sun Belt #2 or 3) maybe 25k sized field will be enough...It'll give our 6-6 team more practice--a pre XMas ESPN2 bowl game

2. the outback isnt going to get involved.. the best U could hope for is gator only dropping the Sun bowl..

3. I expect muffler to stay #2. If it increases payout.. it likely will be a small increase.

4. tampa bowl would make sense here...

5/6. toronto/birmingham.. throw em in a bucket for 4/5 I dont see birmingham jumping up the ladder in cusa much.. maybe a #4 if they get payout up to 750k..

no real reason to go more than 6 bowls with 8 teams.. U ocasionally won't even fill #6 spot. rarely will U get 7 bowl eligible teams in BE.
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CyberBull Wrote:UCiF fans keep talking about a potential bowl game in their new stadium. However i don't see the Champs Bowl moving and can Orlando really support three bowl games?

I don't see it happening.. no city has 3 bowl right now.. thats a lot to sell.. the only advantage orlando would have there... is it has no NFL team to take up football $$$$. If the ACC was to start playing its champ game there 1/2 to 1/3 of the time.. I think it would be even less likely a bowl at UCF would happen.
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BullsBEAST Wrote:I think we should try and take C-doa's tie in to the liberty bowl and the ACCs tie in to the champs sports bowl, i think both are attainable for us, c-doa is c-doa, and the acc teams that will normally be in the champs sports bowl arent as good of travelers as a higher seeded big east team, WVU, Louisville, Rutgers, and UCONN are all good travelers, with USF right down the road that is 5/8 of the conference that will put fans in the seats

a lineup like this would be something to get excited over:

1. BCS
2. Gator
3. Champs Sports
4. Liberty
5. Car Care
6. Papa Johns/New bowl (if we still have to include Notre Dame in our tie ins)

Champs wants nothing to do with the BE..
Liberty is possible if U expand with Memphis.. I dont think U get it without them.
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Something like the current line up is about what you will see. Bigger bowls for the top two teams, lower tier bowls for 3-5. Seven bowls for the BE is absurd.
The Gator/Sun deal depends on what the B12 wants to do. The ACC teams in the western bowls may well come back east but they are lower ranked bowls.
The current BE bowl line up is decent for an 8 team league with many teams that lack name identification.
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CyberBull Wrote:UCiF fans keep talking about a potential bowl game in their new stadium. However i don't see the Champs Bowl moving and can Orlando really support three bowl games?

Florida Citrus Sports runs both the Champs Sports Bowl and the Capital One Bowl...and neither of those games will ever be moved to UCF's Stadium other then temporary (if construction time-table closes the Citrus Bowl during rebuilding...Champs Sports bowl could move to UCF...while the Capital One Bowl would probably move up to Gainesville...like the Gator Bowl did when the city was rebuilding that old Gator Bowl into Altell Stadium.

UCF's AD (Keith Tribble, former CEO of the BCS Orange Bowl for 13 years), along with interest from the ACC (who wants desparately to get out of their bowl agreements in San Fran and Boise, ID), along with the Big East and CUSA (would like to add a FLA bowl in the future) are the best-bets to start up a pre-Christmas bowl game in FLA.

Most pre-christmas bowl games are usually attended by 25,000-35,000 fans or so and most of the $$$$ is made off TV and sponsorship.

I could see any 2 of the above 3 conferences noted that might would probably say YES to a bowl game either in St Pete or another in Orlando.

Florida Citrus Sports will not help out UCF/Brighthouse Networks in any bowl bidding...and a different organization would have to run the bowl if it started up at UCF's new stadium.

Can Orlando support 3 bowls?

Tough call.

With the post-Christmas date for the Champs Sports Bowl...that might of helped cement that bowl's best chance at survival...as most fans can travel to post-Christmas bowl games vs bowl games played right before Christmas.

Again, since most pre-christmas bowl games $$$$$ come through TV and sponsorships...one only needs 25,000 plus to show up to make it successful.

Tampa/ACC, which made a very smart agreement for offering MUCH LOWER tix prices for the ACC Champ Game in order to help sell more local tix....UCF would be smart to do the same thing with their own season tix fan base (almost 24,000)...but offering CHEAP Bowl Game tix (say only $20 or so) in their season tix packages...to help sell a ton of local tix months before the bowl game...and hope a regional game between teams either located in the Southeast or with schools with tons of FLA alumni...can bring about 5,000 fans each...one will probably hit the 25,000 plateau without much effort.

However...if marketed wron6 (i.e. tix prices way to high...why would casual fans buy tix in advance?), a bowl game (anywhere) could be set up for failure.
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With the current BE configuration and being tied to ND in the Gator/ Sun Bowl and the International Bowl, the BE nedds 7 solid bowl tie ins. If ND would have taken the Gator/ Sun or the International Bowl this year a 7 & 5 Rutgers team would have been sitting home along with 6 & 6 L' Ville. The Texas Bowl agreement stinks as it only pays $500k and locks the BE out 1 to 2 years of the agreement. The BE needs to hold on to the 5 bowls they have this year and grow with 2 more locked in bowl agreements if they are going to continue to operate status quo. This will take the BE down to its 6 & 6 teams too.

The BE needs a bowl season as follows to cover all its teams down to 6 & 6 to reward its teams with the tie in to money sucking, leach, non revenue sharing ND. It is a shame the conference can't carry itself with out ND but if ND is needed for the more lucrative bowls then use them. The BCS and other conferences cater to them and allow them access as an independent so the BE might as well use them too. At least the BE can say thay are a CONFERENCE MEMBER for everything else but FB.

BOWLS:
BSC
Gator / Sun if it is the only big money bowl the BE can get after the BCS bid.

Mienkee
International
Birmingham

Make the Texas Bowl take the BE every year or ditch them if they can be replaced. Also get the same minimum payout of $750k that the B-12 is getting or leave too.

Tampa Bowl - after Christmas so it draws. Try to turn this bowl into a major bowl dedicated totally to the BE and get it to a mininmum $1.5 to $2 million dollar bowl over time.

The list above would give the BE 7 bowl committements. However the BE should also be in the mix for a bowl in Washington DC (pre Christmas) or a bowl in Indianapolis if they become reality. Personally I think that the BE should concentrate on bowls east of the Mississippi and in the warm weather of Florida around tourist attractions that would draw BE fans out of the damp, cold, snowy, NE corridor during the Bowl Season. In the end the BE will have to take what ever it gets but the powers that be should pursue a minimum of 7 bowl tie ins if they are going to keep working with that leach ND. 05-stirthepot 07-coffee3
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BullsBEAST Wrote:I think we should try and take C-doa's tie in to the liberty bowl and the ACCs tie in to the champs sports bowl, i think both are attainable for us, c-doa is c-doa,

You already have tried and found that the Liberty Bowl, which had an important part in forming "c-doa" remained steadfastly loyal to the conference home of the Memphis Tigers. Don't know what makes you think the Big East can take our bowl without taking UofM, but you are dead wrong. I have lived in Memphis since 1968 (when I came here to attend the university), and since (I presume) you live in Florida, I think I have a better feel for the situation. The Big East can have the Liberty Bowl easily enough, but not without the Tigers - I will bet heavily on that. For your information, the Liberty Bowl this year is already sold out and the TV ratings are always very good - no incentive for them to look at other conferences except possibly to help the home team.
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The Liberty Bowl made a good choice signing up with the SEC. As long as they have that tie in they will not suffer attendancewise. I dont see any reasons for them to drop CUSA.
The Big East will look to sure up its bowl line-ups and there are a few others that they can get.
I still think that they can get an ACC-BE match-up in Tampa etc and get a team from ACC that is currently going to Boise or even Emerald those are long hauls for ACC and the Boise match up is not an attractive one for them.
I think the GMAC is another possibility replacing the MAC there.
WE will see what happens there are two more years of the present contract so the Big East teams need to improve their image in winning, traveling and TV audience.
I think this year with UConn,Cincy and USF all ranked is helping, that must become a yearly thing.
The tickets sold by UConn,Cincy and USF this year for bowls is a good sign that will be used in next contract dealings.
The ESPN ratings for BE games is also a good sign.
So all told there are MANY positive signs that were NOT there at the last go around.
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BullsBEAST Wrote:I think we should try and take C-doa's tie in to the liberty bowl and the ACCs tie in to the champs sports bowl, i think both are attainable for us, c-doa is c-doa, and the acc teams that will normally be in the champs sports bowl arent as good of travelers as a higher seeded big east team, WVU, Louisville, Rutgers, and UCONN are all good travelers, with USF right down the road that is 5/8 of the conference that will put fans in the seats


FYI...the Big East use to have a bowl spot in the "champs sports/new tangerine bowl" but lost it.

Maybe with new members, Big East can get that spot back...but it will be hard to knock the Big 10 or ACC out of it.
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The BIG EAST lost a lot from bowls after VT, Miami, and BC left. Bowls thought the BIG EAST was dead. Now, they will see that the three new schools to the BIG EAST are strong. Did the BIG EAST really lose that much if you break down all six schools???? USF is an up and coming school. UL has more than carried its weight for the BIG EAST. Cincy became pretty strong during the past few years. I dont think the BIG EAST lost that much if you look at it now.
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From a MWC fan and a college football fan's perspective.

The whole reason the Gator/Sun was done was to have a variety of teams to choose from because both were becoming stale. The problem is that the Sun Bowl is a long way west for y'all and El Paso is not a destination city.

The solution - probably a pipe dream - is for the Gator and Outback to join forces. Then those 2 bowls share the mix of the ACC #2, Big East #2, Big Ten #3, and SEC #4. With that, those 2 bowls could could mix and match to get a very good variety of intriguing matchups from the 4 major conferences east of the Mississippi.

Alas it makes way too much sense to ever happen.
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BullsBEAST Wrote:I think we should try and take C-doa's tie in to the liberty bowl and the ACCs tie in to the champs sports bowl, i think both are attainable for us, c-doa is c-doa, and the acc teams that will normally be in the champs sports bowl arent as good of travelers as a higher seeded big east team, WVU, Louisville, Rutgers, and UCONN are all good travelers, with USF right down the road that is 5/8 of the conference that will put fans in the seats

a lineup like this would be something to get excited over:

1. BCS
2. Gator
3. Champs Sports
4. Liberty
5. Car Care
6. Papa Johns/New bowl (if we still have to include Notre Dame in our tie ins)

Then add Memphis as the 9th football school, simple enough!04-cheers
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Metropolis777 Wrote:From a MWC fan and a college football fan's perspective.

The whole reason the Gator/Sun was done was to have a variety of teams to choose from because both were becoming stale. The problem is that the Sun Bowl is a long way west for y'all and El Paso is not a destination city.

The solution - probably a pipe dream - is for the Gator and Outback to join forces. Then those 2 bowls share the mix of the ACC #2, Big East #2, Big Ten #3, and SEC #4. With that, those 2 bowls could could mix and match to get a very good variety of intriguing matchups from the 4 major conferences east of the Mississippi.

Alas it makes way too much sense to ever happen.

It will be very, very hard to break the SEC/Big 10 agreement for the Outback Bowl.

Big 10 has a stronghold on FLA bowls (Capital One, Outback and Champs Sports Bowl)...and the SEC has their stronghold with the Capital One and Outback Bowl.

Don't think either of them will trade the Outback Bowl slot for the Gator Bowl slot.
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BullsBEAST Wrote:I think we should try and take C-doa's tie in to the liberty bowl and the ACCs tie in to the champs sports bowl, i think both are attainable for us, c-doa is c-doa,

You already have tried and found that the Liberty Bowl, which had an important part in forming "c-doa" remained steadfastly loyal to the conference home of the Memphis Tigers. Don't know what makes you think the Big East can take our bowl without taking UofM, but you are dead wrong. I have lived in Memphis since 1968 (when I came here to attend the university), and since (I presume) you live in Florida, I think I have a better feel for the situation. The Big East can have the Liberty Bowl easily enough, but not without the Tigers - I will bet heavily on that. For your information, the Liberty Bowl this year is already sold out and the TV ratings are always very good - no incentive for them to look at other conferences except possibly to help the home team.

Hey man, im all for memphis in the BE. If i were in charge, we'd get rid of DePaul, Providence, or Seton Hall and add Memphis as all sports. Then leave the league alone for a while. We'd have our 9 football schools and still the massive basketball conference that would now be even better
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