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RE: bowl ticket sales
Like I said. I simply returned the favor. If you had a problem with it...you could have addressed it 40 posts ago. To the initiator.


Or is it that he happens to agree with your position?
 
12-12-2007 03:29 PM
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griffen had you had any actual argument the "personal" attacks would have never started..

after 5 pm today i will ban myself from here for 2 days.. soo no one has to hear me give you more information than you know what to do with..
 
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12-12-2007 03:30 PM
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Actually...you threw the first stone!

LOL!




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"That is just dumb, griffen. Getting the opportunity to practice right now is more important than what bowl you go to. In this case, they get to get a lot of practices with the underclassmen getting more time out on the field."
 
12-12-2007 03:33 PM
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griffen Wrote:Actually...you threw the first stone!

LOL!




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"That is just dumb, griffen. Getting the opportunity to practice right now is more important than what bowl you go to. In this case, they get to get a lot of practices with the underclassmen getting more time out on the field."

yeah mlb aimed at your lack of a real argument.. mlb didn't call you dumb.. just your lack of an argument dumb..
 
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12-12-2007 03:35 PM
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If I had any actual argument?



ROTFLMAO!!!
 
12-12-2007 03:35 PM
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It's call reading comprehension boys. To many paragraphs and multisyllable words in this post evidently...



The Big East and every school in the Big East share in the revenue of the bowls. Much of this money gets re-invested in the program, to be sure...some of it is straight revenue for the schools.

ALL of it is generated by the fans (and if you're just looking at the papa bowl by itself - UC would probably lose money on this trip regardless of the fan support)

32 bowl games this year...THIRTY-TWO! How many NCAA football teams are there, 108? So 64 of 108 football teams make a bowl game, with UC being "invited" to the bowl with the lowest payout, which in my mind makes it the worst bowl. Hurray, we're #64! About 60% of all teams which play DI football make a bowl game. Let's apply this to other sports:

-18 of 31 MLB teams make the playoffs
-194 DI teams would make the NCAA tournament

And so on.

I likened the bowl process to Sweetest Day last night - a made up "holiday" created by businesses to pressure people into buying gifts...and if you don't, then you don't really care about your sweetheart!

This bowl thing is the same. Someone said it yesterday - any Tom, Dick or Harry can start up a bowl game (although I think we're at the max right now), and because bowl games used to have a reputation as being a reward for a "successful" year, programs jump at the chance. Let's never mind that in many years, there haven't been enough teams that even met the minimum requirement to get into a bowl game!

You guys say the fan base have created the UC problem by not supporting them at lower tier bowls, hence our very good team this season suffers for it. I AGREE. Now let me ask you this: If UC had never been in any of their contemporary bowls, starting with the Smurf bowl and ending in Toronto last year, don't you think we'd probably be in the Sun Bowl right now? Isn't no travel history better than bad travel history?

Fact is, UC didn't really deserve to go to any of the Bowls they were in up until this year - they went because they met bare minimum requirements and there were games to be filled. Fans are asked to shell out money for games in Detroit, Fort Worth and Toronto right around the Holiday season - and if they don't, the program "pays the price" in the future. I say the FANS pay the price, over and over again.

And if fans are paying the price, and bowl games are more about money than rewarding players for on field performance, then WHY ACCEPT THE BOWL BID? You're asking your fan base to shell out money for a product they don't want to see...in your heart of hearts, do you really, truly care if UC beats Southern Miss or not? It's no reward for the season they had, and Birmingham 3 days before Christmas in a condemned stadium is certainly no reward for the fans.

If they had turned down the bowl game, it wouldn't have hurt them near as much with truly good bowls in the future as it will when about 200 people show up on Dec. 22nd. It would've made the statement that this program has hit a level where just any old bowl just doesn't do anymore.

In my mind, going to this bowl HURTS recruiting, not helps. Let's say I'm a 3-4 star HS prospect, trying to decide between UC and a mid-level big 10 school like Indiana. If I'm looking at UC, and I see they won 9 games, beat S. Fla, Oregon State and UConn, and finished in the Top 25 of the BCS standings...and the best they could do is the papajohn's bowl, I'm thinking I'd rather go to a school where 9 wins gets me into a New Year's Day bowl.

To sum up all this rambling:

Fans are being sold a bill of goods and made to feel guilty because they didn't attend bowl games that exist for the sole purpose of making private businesses and football conferences money. These lower tier bowls do not exist as rewards for excellence on the field, and they obviously aren't a reward for fans.

The Bottom Line of all this is: do you care? Do you care whether or not UC gets to play in a bowl game, no matter the opponent or city or expense or how little they care about you as a fan? Did playing Utah State in the Humanitarian Bowl, or Toledo or Marshall in the Motor City Bowl, or Marshall in the Fort Worth Bowl, or Western Michigan in the International Bowl, truly enhance UC's program, or your enjoyment as a fan? And do you care that you're expected to shell out money for a bad football game in a bad city, in a bad stadium under the guise of future rewards that may never come to fruition?

The answers to these questions determine whether or not you'll be in beautiful Birmingham on Dec. 22. I care about UC football...but I don't buy gifts on Sweetest day, and I'm not spending hard earned money so UC can continue to play in Bowl games that mean absolutely NOTHING. I repeat, mean NOTHING. If that means less bowl games, and a 6-6 or 7-5 UC teams doesn't get the privilege of playing in the Motor City Bowl, so be it. If it means the Sun Bowl thumbs their nose at us in the future, so be that, as well. In 20 years, will anyone care about any of these bowls, save 5-10 of them?

Buy your tickets to Birmingham. And while you're at it, order up some snake oil for me, willya?
 
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RE: bowl ticket sales
Yes. Yes. Absolutely. No.

Sports are for entertainment purposes. Unless you are actually participating in the event. there will be no lasting meaning for you (except for O$U, UK, etc. teams who live in the glory days). Buying a ticket for this game is the same as buying your brother a gift. Yeah you feel better about yourself after giving it to him, but you didn't get anything.

Records of bowl years w/o bowl game
2006 7-5
2004 6-5
2002 7-6
2001 7-4
2000 7-4
To say a team is undeserving is wrong. None of those records are .500. A notable local team in Cincinnati garners more support for records that are worse. Just because a team isn't undefeated doesn't mean they get the shaft. I have been to every bowl game minus last year (due to a scheduling conflict). I enjoyed myself on those trips, and enjoyed the football that was played. I pay the price for entertainment just as you do when you pay your cable bill. i am just paying the higher price to see it in person.
 
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Griffen,

I have an easy button for you....Don't go.
 
12-12-2007 08:43 PM
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http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.ph...l-tickets/

Quote:With only three weeks to go until kickoff on New Year’s Day, UVA fans are not exactly clamoring for tickets to see their beloved Cavaliers take on the Texas Tech Red Raiders in the Gator Bowl. In a mass e-mail to the university community, athletic director Craig Littlepage reports that as of yesterday UVA has sold only 8,451 of its allotted 13,500 tickets. The message to Wahoo Nation accompanying this news was urgent.

“A perception that Virginia fans didn’t ‘travel’ well hurt us in the bowl selection process,” he writes. “A school’s ability to sell out its ticket allotment is an important factor in the selection process for future bowl games, so it’s important that the tickets allocated to us are sold.”

Obviously this attendance stuff does mean something... whether people want to admit to it or not.
 
12-12-2007 08:54 PM
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