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I think the WAC is wide open for first place this year. Blue Ribbon has 1. BSU 2. Hawaii 3. Nevada 4. FSU 5. La Tech 6. SJSU 7. USU 8. NMSU 9. Idaho.

Athlon Sports has 1. BSU 2. FSU 3. Hawaii 4. Nevada 5. La Tech 6. USU 7. Idaho 8. SJSU 9. NMSU

Lindy's has 1. Nevada 2. BSU 3. Hawaii 4. FSU 5. La Tech 6. USU 7. SJSU 8. Idaho 9. NMSU.

Are any other annuals out on the stands yet?, if so please list them.
06-06-2006 10:09 AM
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If BSU didn't go through the coaching changes they went through, they'd be "clearly" the number one team by all Sports Publications. They're Sr heavy...and the home schedule is definitely favorable. Their new coach will get to answer his skeptics in less than 90 days.

Fresno needs to replace a QB and some skill positions, which won't be hard. They have talent waiting in the wings.

Nevada? Tough schedule this year. To win the WAC, they have to win some very tough road games.

Hawaii? The Freshmen...are now Sophmores.

La. Tech? Another tough road schedule for them. They may surprise some of their OOC opponents.

SJSU will be tougher this year and could win 5 or 6 games under Tomey's leadership. But looking at their schedule...I think they win 5.

NMSU will be a "different" team this year. They could possibly win 5 games.

USU? They're definitely a basketball school. I think they improve enough to win 4 or 5 games this year.

Idaho. They had some talent last year. With Wichman at QB, they'll be even better. It's going to be interesting to see how well Erickson brings in the California talent that he's capable of getting. Four to 5 wins.
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Judging by the comments I've heard made by nearly all of the seniors on next year's team for Boise State I would not bet against them. They were very disappointed with last year's results.......even tho they did win the WAC for the 4th straight year.....it was a very poor season for them last year. They (the Seniors) are intent on making a statement this season.......to try to make up for last year's poor results.

As to BSU having a "new" head coach.....yeah he's a new "head" coach but he's hardly "new" to Boise State. Also he is the main reason that Boise State's offense was so good/potent the last five years or so.

Lastly Boise State has a very favorable home schedule this season especially against WAC teams. They will have Fresno State, Hawai'i and La Tech at home this season (as well as Oregon State). The toughest WAC road game for Boise State this season will be at Nevada.....and Boise State has had very little trouble winning in Reno of late. In fact it almost seems like a home game for Boise State what with all of the Boise State fans who make the short trip to Reno for that game.
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ahem....
points of order:

Boise State shared the title last year.

EVERY team is intent on winning and making a statement....I don't think any team wants to or sets out to lose.

Peterson might be very successful....time will tell. But being a successful OC does not guarantee that you will be a successful HC. Nevada's OC in the mid-90's, Jeff Tisdel, was the reason that Nevada had the most potent offense in college football for the 90's (according to rankings for that time period), yet when he was hired to replace Ault as HC, he failed miserably. I'm not saying that will happen to Peterson....I'm saying it could.
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Slapdad Wrote:points of order:

Boise State shared the title last year.

EVERY team is intent on winning and making a statement....I don't think any team wants to or sets out to lose.

Peterson might be very successful....time will tell. But being a successful OC does not guarantee that you will be a successful HC. Nevada's OC in the mid-90's, Jeff Tisdel, was the reason that Nevada had the most potent offense in college football for the 90's (according to rankings for that time period), yet when he was hired to replace Ault as HC, he failed miserably. I'm not saying that will happen to Peterson....I'm saying it could.

Tech had a guy that was kind of like that...not really but...Gary Crowton made a name for Tech with his high octane O. He got hired up and went to BYU where he was eventually let go. Now he's got a job with Oregon as their OC. He did well enough at Tech as an HC to get other considerations, but his bread and butter are the offense. That's where he gets his check.
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Re: ahem....
Slapdad Wrote:points of order:

Boise State shared the title last year.

EVERY team is intent on winning and making a statement....I don't think any team wants to or sets out to lose.

Peterson might be very successful....time will tell. But being a successful OC does not guarantee that you will be a successful HC. Nevada's OC in the mid-90's, Jeff Tisdel, was the reason that Nevada had the most potent offense in college football for the 90's (according to rankings for that time period), yet when he was hired to replace Ault as HC, he failed miserably. I'm not saying that will happen to Peterson....I'm saying it could.

Well you can claim that you "shared" the title last year.....but the truth is you don't "share" anything with a team that you BEAT by a score of 49-14. The W.A.C. may look at it as "sharing" the title....but reality is somethiing else entirely. As far as I'm concerned, in the reality that I live in, Boise State was # 1 in the WAC last season in football. Nevada was # 2, La Tech was # 3 and Fresno State was # 4.........period. You can disagree with me all you wish to on that.....but you won't change my mind.......or the reality of that statement.
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No, the title was shared because Boise did not beat the team you just ranked as 4th best in the league..Had the Broncos done that Boise would have won the title outright. By the way..You are taking this way too personally..It's just message board chatter in June..Everybody is just guessing how the next season will go..
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[/quote]Well you can claim that you "shared" the title last year.....but the truth is you don't "share" anything with a team that you BEAT by a score of 49-14. The W.A.C. may look at it as "sharing" the title....but reality is somethiing else entirely. As far as I'm concerned, in the reality that I live in, Boise State was # 1 in the WAC last season in football. Nevada was # 2, La Tech was # 3 and Fresno State was # 4.........period. You can disagree with me all you wish to on that.....but you won't change my mind.......or the reality of that statement.[/quote]

Just because you're a simpleton and can't grasp the idea doesn't mean that it's not true. BSU beat Bowling Green last year....doesn't mean the Broncos won the MAC. Nevada beat UNLV last year....doesn't mean we won the MWC. A WAC title is the CULMINATION of entire season, not the result of one game. If BSU wouldn't have lost to FSU, they wouldn't have had to share the title, but since you lost to FSU and Nevada beat them, you have co-champions. Every team can have a bad game.......as you probably remember from watching BSU against Portland State.

I'm not sure why this is so hard for you to grasp.......it's really quite simple and commonplace.
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nvspuds Wrote:No, the title was shared because Boise did not beat the team you just ranked as 4th best in the league..Had the Broncos done that Boise would have won the title outright. By the way..You are taking this way too personally..It's just message board chatter in June..Everybody is just guessing how the next season will go..

By WAC rules, it was a shared title.

Anyone with half a brain that watched BSU decimate Nevada last year knows the #1 team in the WAC was Boise State.

Where does the #1 WAC team go bowling? The MPC bowl.
I dont recall seeing Nevada in the MPC bowl.
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Re: ahem....
Just because you're a simpleton and can't grasp the idea doesn't mean that it's not true. BSU beat Bowling Green last year....doesn't mean the Broncos won the MAC. Nevada beat UNLV last year....doesn't mean we won the MWC. A WAC title is the CULMINATION of entire season, not the result of one game. If BSU wouldn't have lost to FSU, they wouldn't have had to share the title, but since you lost to FSU and Nevada beat them, you have co-champions. Every team can have a bad game.......as you probably remember from watching BSU against Portland State.

I'm not sure why this is so hard for you to grasp.......it's really quite simple and commonplace.[/quote]

Your analogy's dont work.

The 2 top teams in the WAC last year went head to head, and Nevada got KILLED. It wasnt even close. Portland State gave BSU a better game then Nevada.
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My hat says Boise State 2005 WAC Champions....
I assume the Reno hats all say Nevada 2005 WAC Champions.......
It's all good........

Any Co-Champion hats out there....
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Petersen may turn out to be a horrid head coach--but we won't find that out this year.

Boise is loaded. This is a case where doing "more of the same" may still urn result ini a fantastic season. (See: Gary Crowton's first year or Barry Switzer after first taking over the Cowboys)
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"Anyone with half a brain that watched BSU decimate Nevada last year knows the #1 team in the WAC was Boise State.

Where does the #1 WAC team go bowling? The MPC bowl.
I dont recall seeing Nevada in the MPC bowl."

Anybody with half a brain also would have thought FSU was the best team in the WAC last year if they watched the FSU-BSU game. That was the point....one game does not a season make. TCU lost to SMU....does that mean SMU is the better team?

"Where does the #1 WAC team go bowling? The MPC Bowl."

Then what happened in 2004? BSU was the champion, but Fresno played in the MPC. The MPC Bowl would obviously prefer to take the home team. This really isn't rocket science kids.
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2005 Final Standings

Nevada 7-1
Boise State 7-1

It really doesn't get more black and white than that.

Nevada lost to the first place team. Boise lost to the fourth place team. Either way, both teams had one loss in conference, thus making it...a tie for first place. Not sure how they do math in Boise, but for those of us living in the real world who abide by logic, facts, and the rules of mathematics, one still equals one. And that is the same number of losses both teams had.

Had Nevada lost 21-20 or lost 100-0, the result would still be the same. One loss. You want an undisputed championship? Then beat all of the teams in the league. That is how it works.

Spin it how you want. Hey I still don't officially recognize North Dakota as being an offical state, but that doesn't mean all of a sudden there are only 49 states in the union. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good argument though. I'm sure if you write Karl Benson a letter, he will take away Nevada's conference championship.
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Six Pack Wrote:Spin it how you want. Hey I still don't officially recognize North Dakota as being an offical state, but that doesn't mean all of a sudden there are only 49 states in the union. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good argument though. I'm sure if you write Karl Benson a letter, he will take away Nevada's conference championship.

His response sounds like Nevada fans trashing the Commissioners Cup. What is the difference between your spin and his? Just the biased point of view.
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gaard Wrote:His response sounds like Nevada fans trashing the Commissioners Cup. What is the difference between your spin and his? Just the biased point of view.

Pretty simple really. I may not care about the Commisioners Cup but that doesn't change the fact that Boise still won it. Facts are still facts. You can have an opinion on those facts, but it doesn't change them.

Seriously guys, why is this so hard to understand? Are you all like the Geico cavemen? Or are we just overly sensitive on the subject? God forbid anyone challenge Boise's supremacy over the WAC in everything. Sorry. Good grief.

I apologize. Boise is awesome at everything. Nevada's conference title is not legitimate because they lost to awesome Boise. Nevada is lucky just to be on the same field as Boise. Hell, the Dallas Cowboys would be lucky to be on the same field as Boise. Boise is awesome in gymnastics. Congrats on the Commisioners Cup and I'm sorry that I ever questioned the legitimacy of it. I'm sure Boise will win it for the next 10,000 years in a row and I'll look for that news story on the front page of the New York Times. In spite of this awesome success, I find Boise fans to be very humble. Clearly a higher breed of fan when compared to the rest.


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Six Pack Wrote:Seriously guys, why is this so hard to understand? Are you all like the Geico cavemen? Or are we just overly sensitive on the subject? God forbid anyone challenge Boise's supremacy over the WAC in everything. Sorry. Good grief.

I apologize. Boise is awesome at everything. Nevada's conference title is not legitimate because they lost to awesome Boise. Nevada is lucky just to be on the same field as Boise. Hell, the Dallas Cowboys would be lucky to be on the same field as Boise. Boise is awesome in gymnastics. Congrats on the Commisioners Cup and I'm sorry that I ever questioned the legitimacy of it. I'm sure Boise will win it for the next 10,000 years in a row and I'll look for that news story on the front page of the New York Times. In spite of this awesome success, I find Boise fans to be very humble. Clearly a higher breed of fan when compared to the rest.


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Thanks for the heart felt drama. I can just imagine the uproar out Nevada if they had to share a title with a team they beat. You would hear the out cry from Nevada fans for years. Instead of one objecting post, there would be a deluge.
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Nevada has shared titles before..It's kind of like kissing your sister but it's still a title..
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gaard Wrote:Thanks for the heart felt drama. I can just imagine the uproar out Nevada if they had to share a title with a team they beat. You would hear the out cry from Nevada fans for years. Instead of one objecting post, there would be a deluge.

The drama was funny. Just bringing a little levity to the discussion as some seem to be taking it way too seriously.

But your reasoning is flawed and absolute crap. I refer you to to 2003-2004 basketball season. This exact same thing happened when Nevada did in fact share the conference title with UTEP, a team that Nevada beat twice that season. Find me just ONE Pack fan or cite me ONE example where a Nevada fan said UTEP didn't deserve the conference title or weren't legitimate conference champs. If what you say is true- the "out cry from Nevada fans for years" - then Pack fans will still be crying. You made this claim that Nevada fans would be crying for years, now prove it. Show me ONE example where a Pack fan is still crying about it. You won't find it because your argument is based on assumptions that are simply not the truth. Where is the "deluge"?

Again though...why let the facts get in the way of a good argument?

Pack fans are smart enough to realize that one game does not make a season. That is why it is called a season. And Pack fans were also the first to congratulate UTEP on their conference championship rather than whining about how they aren't really champions. It was a pretty good rivalry between the two schools, but once everything was settled there was still mutual respect from both sides.

I'm thinking though you guys are arguing just for the sake of arguing and I'm falling into the whole thing. But either way you are losing this argument. And the Western Athletic Conference agrees with me.
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Six Pack Wrote:I'm thinking though you guys are arguing just for the sake of arguing and I'm falling into the whole thing. But either way you are losing this argument. And the Western Athletic Conference agrees with me.


You are right. It was on par with making a negative comment about an award which was of no interest. By the way, how do you prove something that is imagined?
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