Worst Harris Poll Voters
114 voters

Ohio St #1 to Arkansas #25

24 had 25 of all 25 BCS ranked teams with various 1-25 rankings
52 had 24 of 25 votes for the 25 BCS teams with various 1-25 rankings
27 had 23 of 25 votes for the 25 BCS teams with various 1-25 rankings
9 had 22 of 25 votes for the 25 BCS teams with various 1-25 rankings
2 had 21 of 25 votes for the 25 BCS teams with various 1-25 rankings

After Arkansas #25

26-Oregon
27-Air Force
28-Texas Tech
29-Connecticut
30-Oregon State
31-Central Florida
32-Michigan
33-Penn St
34-Kentucky
35-Navy
36-Wake Forest
37-Bowling Green
38-Pitt

4 - Charlie Cavagnaro...Did not vote for #16 Clemson, #22 Boise St, #24 South Florida, and #25 Arkansas .... voted Oregon (26)#13, Air Force (27)#19, Connecticut (29)#23, and Penn State (33)#20

4 - Jim Copeland...Did not vote for #22 Boise St, #23 Auburn, #24 South Florida, and #25 Arkansas .... voted Air Force (27)#20, Texas Tech (28)#24, Central Florida (31)#18, and Michigan (32)#25

3 - Bobby Aillet...Did not vote for #21 Virginia, #24 South Florida, and #25 Arkansas .... voted Oregon (26)#16, Michigan (32)#23, and Penn St (33)#22

3 - Joe Biddle...Did not vote for #20 Cincinatti, #21 Virginia, and #22 Boise St .... voted Air Force (27)#24, Oregon St (30)#22, and Central Florida (31)#25

3 - Tommy Hicks...Did not vote for #20 Cincinatti, #21 Virginia, and #25 Arkansas .... voted Oregon (26)#19, Air Force (27)#23, and Central Florida (31)#25

3 - Dr Charles Johnson...Did not vote for #23 Auburn, #24 South Florida, and #25 Arkansas .... voted Conneticut (29)#22, Michigan (32)#20, and Pitt(38)#25

3 - Scott Johnson...Did not vote for #20 Cincinatti, Auburn #23, and Arkansas #25 .... voted Air Force (27)#21, Oregon St (30)#25, and Central Florida (31)#23

3 - Larry Keech...Did not vote for #19 Tennessee, #23 Auburn, and #25 Arkansas .... voted Air Force (27)#25, Conneticut (29)#19, and Central Florida (31)#24

3 - Ray Melick...Did not vote for #20 Cincinatti, #24 South Florida, and #25 Arkansas .... voted Oregon (26)#22, Texas Tech (27)#24, and Central Florida (31)#23

3 - Tim Neverett...Did not vote for #22 Boise St, #24 South Florida, and #25 Arkansas .... voted Oregon (26)#19, Air Force (27)#25, and Oregon State (30)#24

3 - Jim Walden...Did not vote for #19 Tennessee, #21 Virginia, and #25 Arkansas .... voted Air Force (27)#19, Conneticut (29)#20, and Oregon St (30)#25

2 - David Cawood...Did not vote for #24 South Florida, and #25 Arkansas .... voted Oregon (26)#20, and Kentucky (34)#24

2 - Fred Goldsmith...Did not vote for #22 Boise St and #24 South Florida .... voted Texas Tech (28)#23 and Kentucky (34)#25

2 - Darrell Moody...Did not vote for #20 Cincinatti, and #24 South Florida .... voted Oregon St (30)#25 and Navy (35)#24

2 - Dr Terry Schmidt...Did not vote for #17 Texas and #25 Arkansas.. voted Conneticut (29)#17 and Navy(35)#25

2 - Jon Toner...Did not vote for #23 Auburn and #25 Arkansas .... voted Conneticut (29)#23 and Wake Forrest (36)#24

2 - Max Urick...Did not vote for #21 Virginia and #25 Arkansas .... voted Texas Tech (28)#20 and Penn St (33)#25

2 - Hugh Yoshida...Did not vote for #23 Auburn and #25 Arkansas .... voted Oregon (26)#18 and Michigan (32)#21

1 - James Lessig...Did not vote for #25 Arkansas .... voted Bowling Green(37)#25

Bob Wagner did not vote for #15 Wisconsin
Charlie Cavagnaro did not vote for #16 Clemson
Craig Morton did not vote for #16 Clemson
Lance McIlhenny did not vote for #17 Texas
Ted Miller did not vote for #17 Texas
Dr Terry Schmidt did not vote for #17 Texas
Larry Keech did not vote for #19 Tennessee
David Lawerence did not vote for #19 Tennessee
Jim Walden did not vote for #19 Tennessee
Frank Windegger did not vote for #19 Tennessee

Ohio St vote range 1-5
LSU vote range 1-11

Ohio St - 3 votes for #5
Bob Dunlevy
Mike Grace
Denny O'Brien

Ohio St - 4 votes for #4
Joe Biddle
Brian Dohn
John Dorsey
Boomer Esiason

LSU - 1 vote for #11
Craig Morton

LSU - 2 votes for #10
Dr Terry Schmidt
Paul Schnider

LSU - 1 vote for #7
Denny Aldridge

LSU - 2 votes for #6
Cindy Luis
Budd Thalman

LSU - 8 votes for #5
Bill Arnsparger
Jim Copeland
David Housel
Lance McIlhenny
George Pereles
Steve Preece
Irwin Smallwood
Jim Walden

No I did not make these names up - they are not psudonyms - they are from the link

Stuff for whatever it is worth if you want to wade through it

If you made it through this you are to be commended.

This information appeared on the Rivals website on Monday, December 3, 2007.

I have always said let the computers decide the national championship if we are not going to have a playoff. Most of these voters are jokers and they are just like fans. Most are homers and are not neutral at all.

Krocker Krapp Wrote:3 - Ray Melick...Did not vote for #20 Cincinatti, #24 South Florida, and #25 Arkansas .... voted Oregon (26)#22, Texas Tech (27)#24, and Central Florida (31)#23

As an aside, Ray Melick was also the one who wrote the story about Nick Saban and his accusation that USF was only successful because we had lower admission standards. It turns out he also "protected" Saban by paraphrasing that quote, because Saban actually said "non-qualifiers."

USFFan

Krocker Krapp Wrote:If you made it through this you are to be commended.

If you put this all together you are to be commended.

Well imagine the clueless coaches on the coaches poll.
Oleary voted UCF ahead of USF eventhough we beat him by over 50 points.
Auburn coach votes for UCF and Auburn in top 25 but not USF.
The other 5 CUSA coaches with votes did NOT vote for USF in top 25. Can you say still pissed off.

Sorry but both those polls specially coaches polls are a joke.

Cubanbull Wrote:Oleary voted UCF ahead of USF eventhough we beat him by over 50 points.
The other 5 CUSA coaches with votes did NOT vote for USF in top 25. Can you say still pissed off.

you just don't get it, clearly o'leary and cusa considered south floirda lacking in moral victories when making out their ballots.

LaRue777 Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:If you made it through this you are to be commended.

If you put this all together you are to be commended.

LOL. I just copied it from Rivals, and highlighted things pertinent to the Big East, but the original poster did a great job in finding all these poll voting discrepancies.

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Worst Harris Poll Voters

2 - David Cawood...Did not vote for #24 South Florida, and #25 Arkansas .... voted Oregon (26)#20, and Kentucky (34)#24

2 - Fred Goldsmith...Did not vote for #22 Boise St and #24 South Florida .... voted Texas Tech (28)#23 and Kentucky (34)#25

2 - Darrell Moody...Did not vote for #20 Cincinatti, and #24 South Florida .... voted Oregon St (30)#25 and Navy (35)#24

2 - Dr Terry Schmidt...Did not vote for #17 Texas and #25 Arkansas.. voted Conneticut (29)#17 and Navy(35)#25

2 - Jon Toner...Did not vote for #23 Auburn and #25 Arkansas .... voted Conneticut (29)#23 and Wake Forrest (36)#24

2 - Max Urick...Did not vote for #21 Virginia and #25 Arkansas .... voted Texas Tech (28)#20 and Penn St (33)#25

2 - Hugh Yoshida...Did not vote for #23 Auburn and #25 Arkansas .... voted Oregon (26)#18 and Michigan (32)#21

1 - James Lessig...Did not vote for #25 Arkansas .... voted Bowling Green(37)#25

In some case these voters should be commended for not going with the popular choices and going out on a limb. Not all the worst voters but I agree with your basic premise. You can see the homerism.

Anything special about these voters who left out 2 or 1 of the top 25? There seem to be quite a few more that left out 2 or one pick.

It's a popularity contest, not a true judement of talent and skill. What else is new?

2 - Hugh Yoshida...Did not vote for #23 Auburn and #25 Arkansas .... voted Oregon (26)#18 and Michigan (32)#21

Poor guy probably does not deserve the coveted spot of America's Worst Harris Poll Voters unless you count all the Michigan voters. Michigan with a healthy Hart and Hiney is a decent team. Pathetic without them and when they play App State.

Breaking down the final BCS standings
David Fox | Rivals.com College Football Staff Writer
December 4, 2007

Take a look at the three components of the BCS standings, and they all start to take on their own characteristics.

The USA Today coaches poll almost resembles class elections in high school. Friends stick together and vote for their own cliques – or, in this case, coaches favor their own conferences, former coaches or former assistants.

The Harris poll tends to fall in line with the Associated Press and coaches polls, though with 114 voters, some oddities are bound to show up (anyone up for a Hawaii-Kansas championship game?).

As for the computer rankings, figuring out their logic and inner workings is about as likely as your ability to take apart your laptop and reassemble it.

We've sifted through all 114 Harris poll ballots, all 60 coaches ballots and all six of the computer rankings. Here are some of the oddities (or absurdities) that make up the BCS standings:

• An Ohio State-LSU pairing in the championship game was the most popular selection in the human polls, but the game didn't receive a ringing endorsement. The Buckeyes and Tigers received the Nos. 1 and 2 votes (regardless of order) in 31 of 60 coaches' ballots and 54 of 114 Harris poll ballots. Ohio State-Oklahoma was the next-most-popular pairing, with that duo ranked in the top two in 17 Harris poll ballots and seven coaches' ballots (tied with Ohio State-Georgia in that poll).

• The 60 coaches in the coaches poll came up with nine 1-2 combinations: 31 for Ohio State-LSU, seven for Ohio State-Oklahoma, seven for Ohio State-Georgia, six for LSU-Oklahoma, four for Ohio State-USC and two for LSU-USC.

• Virginia Tech coach Frank Beamer would have had an LSU-Virginia Tech rematch in the title game. He voted the Tigers first and Hokies second.

• New Mexico State coach Hal Mumme either values Hawaii's undefeated record, sides with the WAC or simply has an affinity for teams that throw the ball 50 times a game. He was the only voter in the coaches poll to give Hawaii a first-place nod.

• Florida Atlantic coach Howard Schnellenberger ranked Ohio State first and Kansas second.

• No surprise here: Coaches are the biggest boosters of their teams. Jim Tressel, Les Miles and Bob Stoops voted their teams first in the coaches poll. Mark Richt put his team second.

• Was Stoops not impressed by LSU or was he trying to help his own cause? He turned in the lowest vote for the Tigers in the coaches poll, ranking them sixth on his ballot. Here are the other low votes for top contenders: Ohio State was ranked sixth by Florida International coach Mario Cristobal, Georgia was ranked 10th by Wyoming coach Joe Glenn and Oklahoma was ranked 10th by Clemson coach Tommy Bowden/

• His former Big 12 brethren received no favors from outgoing Texas A&M coach Dennis Franchione, who left Oklahoma, Missouri and Kansas out of his top five.

• Steve Spurrier helped his former defensive coordinator by being the only coach other than Stoops to vote Oklahoma first.

• Harris poll voters came up with a dozen different 1-2 combinations: 54 for Ohio State-LSU, 17 for Ohio State-Oklahoma, 13 for Ohio State-Georgia, nine for Ohio State-USC, seven for LSU-Oklahoma, five for Ohio State-Kansas, four for Ohio State-Virginia Tech and two for Ohio State-Hawaii. The other four 1-2 matchups: Larry Keech, a former sportswriter with the Greensboro (N.C.) News & Record, voted Hawaii first and Kansas second; Los Angeles Daily News reporter Brian Dohn had LSU first and Georgia second; College Football Radio Network founder Mike Grace had LSU No. 1 and Virginia Tech No. 2; and Denny O'Brien, who covers East Carolina for the bonesville.net Web site, had LSU first and USC second.

• Former Cal quarterback great Craig Morton gave LSU its lowest vote in any of the human polls, ranking the Tigers 11th in the Harris poll, behind two teams it defeated (No. 5 Virginia Tech and No. 7 Florida). The other lowest rankings in the Harris: Ohio State was fifth on one ballot, Oklahoma was ninth on one ballot and Georgia was 10th on two ballots.

• Four computers (Anderson & Hester, Sagarin, Massey and Wolfe) put Virginia Tech ahead of LSU. The Tigers beat the Hokies 48-7 in the second week of the season. Three computers (Anderson & Hester, Colley and Massey) ranked Missouri ahead of Oklahoma even though the Sooners defeated Mizzou twice this season.

• Virginia Tech was ranked first in three computer polls and second in one, presumably because of two factors. The removal of margin of victory from the BCS formula had no way to distinguish Tech's 41-point loss to LSU from a loss by a field goal. Moreover, the Hokies' loss in Baton Rouge may be viewed differently by some computers because it was a loss on the road, rather than at home.

• Missouri's edge over Oklahoma – most striking in the Anderson & Hester poll, where the Tigers were ranked second and the Sooners eighth – could be because there is no head-to-head component in some rankings. In other words, Missouri's top wins (over BCS No. 8 Kansas and No. 13 Illinois, both on neutral fields) and two losses (to No. 4 Oklahoma, on the road and on a neutral field) may mean more to some computers than Oklahoma's top wins (two over No. 6 Missouri and one over No. 19 Texas) and two losses on the road to unranked teams Colorado and Texas Tech.

• The Billingsley Report was the most "human" of the computer polls, as it was the only one to have Ohio State at No. 1 and LSU at No. 2. Fifth-ranked Oklahoma also finished ahead of 10th-ranked Missouri in those rankings.

This article appeared on the Rivals website on Tuesday, December 4, 2007.

I wonder if anyone in Orlando's soft, media will ask O'Liar why he voted UCF considerably higher than USF and Texas?

"It's not a lie if you believe!" must be UCiF's motto...

CyberBull Wrote:I wonder if anyone in Orlando's soft, media will ask O'Liar why he voted UCF considerably higher than USF and Texas?

"It's not a lie if you believe!" must be UCiF's motto...

Same reason many people voted the teams USF lost to below them. The season isn't comprised of one game. Stop getting a hardon anytime you read anything about UCF. If Levitt had a vote, he would surely have put USF in the top 15, something they dont deserve.

Knights_of_UCF Wrote:

CyberBull Wrote:I wonder if anyone in Orlando's soft, media will ask O'Liar why he voted UCF considerably higher than USF and Texas?

"It's not a lie if you believe!" must be UCiF's motto...

Same reason many people voted the teams USF lost to below them. The season isn't comprised of one game. Stop getting a hardon anytime you read anything about UCF. If Levitt had a vote, he would surely have put USF in the top 15, something they dont deserve.

There's "lost to" and then there's demolished. I think you'd be hard pressed to find somebody ranking anybody above a squad they'd lost to by more than 50 points. That's just freaking ridiculous.

USFFan

The who-beat-who logic doesn't always work. You had plenty that voted you guys in front of Uconn, Rutgers, and Cincy.

With that logic you're supposed to be behind those teams.

We beat Tulsa twice who beat #18 BYU (MWC). We are not ahead of BYU either.

Does your soft media ask Leavitt why he recruits a bunch of special exemption players? or why he can't keep is players out of jail?

Quite simply Knightime, O'Liar looks like an idiot by voting his own team 17th. No one else had them in the top 20 and the majority used solid reasoning to not rank the Knights in the top 25 at all.

That's just telling it as it is. I wouldn't expect you to show any kind of objective common sense in this thread though, because one shouldn't expect something they've never seen before. And you most certainly fall into the category of UCF fans who show nothing but their backside on this forum.

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:The who-beat-who logic doesn't always work. You had plenty that voted you guys in front of Uconn, Rutgers, and Cincy.

With that logic you're supposed to be behind those teams.

But UConn, Rutgers and Cincinnati combined to beat us by 15 points. We singlehandedly beat you by more than three times that amount. Do you seriously not see the difference?

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:Does your soft media ask Leavitt why he recruits a bunch of special exemption players? or why he can't keep is players out of jail?

Wow. Talk about a non sequitur.

Your coach is fat and was fired by Notre Dame for lying on his resume. There, does that make us even?

FWIW, the "special exemption" stuff has already been debunked, as the Big East doesn't allow non-qualifiers. And which of USF's players is currently in jail? Can you even name the last time a USF player was arrested for anything? I didn't think so.

Have a nice day...

USFFan