tigers1985 Wrote:

oldtiger Wrote:

spar03tan Wrote:.....So in the words of Jay-Z memTGRS and kpigout, "Shut ya bumba! I got A-ROD numbers".

Simply put, it's hard to give any credibility to anything you say with that last statement. Those two have been around here a long time and built up a ton of credibility and sense of fairness in this venue.

Damn right.

Nobody cares more about doing what is best for the university, short, medium, and long term, than the people right here. This issue has been debated again and again. Many of us started out unsure about what to do about football facilities. After MUCH discussion a very large majority are in favor of an on campus facility. To quote someone I met a few months ago, you are "late to this party."

Probably a Pearce follower .

spar03tan Wrote:

JMSTiger Wrote:I think it is fairly clear why you are here promoting a new Fairgrounds stadium. You live in a neighborhood around the University (as do I) and you simply will not accept an on-campus stadium for that reason. All of your arguments against an on-campus stadium do not hold water and have been shot down hundreds of times. There is no point in debating this endlessly with you because you have fallen for the lies put out by some of the neighborhood leaders in your area and you will not change your mind. You are certainly not changing anyone's mind here. I don't think you understand how this subject has been debated and talked about on this messageboard in depth for months and months.

Even if I was trying to promote a new fairgrounds stadium, I have the right to do that here right? I do live in a neighborhood around the University and I might accept an OCS if it was feasible and beneficial for the city as well as the University, NOT because I live in a neighborhood around the University. If all of my arguments have been shot down this issue would be resolved with no opposition. You think there is no point in debating with me because you arguments narrow-minded. You are probably too tired to debate anymore. I don't even know the neighborhood leaders in my area. I just know my opinion on this issue and will continue to defend it until I have official evidence to reject it. I do understand that this subject has been debated and talked about on this message board in depth for months and months and you can expect that as long as I have an opinion, I will debate any subject until I am adequately proven wrong.

:youmoron:

spar03tan Wrote:Even if I was trying to promote a new fairgrounds stadium, I have the right to do that here right?

Not neccessarily.

you have an agenda. Clearly, the SHC is in it.
The agenda here is the Blue and Gray!! ( see, OSM?)
You know something about the feasibility study for OCS we don,t?
Maybe you should shut your bumba.

georgiatiger Wrote:

spar03tan Wrote:Even if I was trying to promote a new fairgrounds stadium, I have the right to do that here right?

Not neccessarily.

All because it's a free board, you don't have "the right to do that here". This board is not supported by public funds. You are granted the privilege, not the right, to post. There is a big difference.

tigers1985 Wrote:

oldtiger Wrote:

spar03tan Wrote:.....So in the words of Jay-Z memTGRS and kpigout, "Shut ya bumba! I got A-ROD numbers".

Simply put, it's hard to give any credibility to anything you say with that last statement. Those two have been around here a long time and built up a ton of credibility and sense of fairness in this venue.

Damn right.

Nobody cares more about doing what is best for the university, short, medium, and long term, than the people right here. This issue has been debated again and again. Many of us started out unsure about what to do about football facilities. After MUCH discussion a very large majority are in favor of an on campus facility. To quote someone I met a few months ago, you are "late to this party."

Whoa guy. I'm not saying you guys don't care about what's best for the University. To quote somebody I met a few months ago "better late than never".

Now because I used a quote from a Jay-Z rap song, I am soooooooo interested in knowing why that makes it difficult to give me credibility on anything that i'm saying. Ha Ha I would love to see you, whoever you are, explain that. The reference for the quote was because JMStiger said my "rebuttals" were big fat softball pitches he was going to knock out the park. I'm going to go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt, that you have a GOOD reason for saying that you find it hard to give credibility to me because of that statement.

And thk you OneShiningMoment for telling me what was said. I agree that was not very nice to say. The Old Civil War South thing also. Don't accuse someone of racism if you don't have very legitimate evidence to support such a touchy and strong claim.

Thanks for telling me

spar03tan Wrote:

tigers1985 Wrote:

oldtiger Wrote:

spar03tan Wrote:.....So in the words of Jay-Z memTGRS and kpigout, "Shut ya bumba! I got A-ROD numbers".

Simply put, it's hard to give any credibility to anything you say with that last statement. Those two have been around here a long time and built up a ton of credibility and sense of fairness in this venue.

Damn right.

Nobody cares more about doing what is best for the university, short, medium, and long term, than the people right here. This issue has been debated again and again. Many of us started out unsure about what to do about football facilities. After MUCH discussion a very large majority are in favor of an on campus facility. To quote someone I met a few months ago, you are "late to this party."

Whoa guy. I'm not saying you guys don't care about what's best for the University. To quote somebody I met a few months ago "better late than never".

Now because I used a quote from a Jay-Z rap song, I am soooooooo interested in knowing why that makes it difficult to give me credibility on anything that i'm saying. Ha Ha I would love to see you, whoever you are, explain that. The reference for the quote was because JMStiger said my "rebuttals" were big fat softball pitches he was going to knock out the park. I'm going to go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt, that you have a GOOD reason for saying that you find it hard to give credibility to me because of that statement.

And thk you OneShiningMoment for telling me what was said. I agree that was not very nice to say. The Old Civil War South thing also. Don't accuse someone of racism if you don't have very legitimate evidence to support such a touchy and strong claim.

Thanks for telling me

Um, for your info, MemTGRS posted the "rebuttal"/"softball" post and JMS posted what mjaytee posted and deleted.

I think the SHC has a better chance of playing at a new on-campus stadium than it does of playing at a new fairgrounds stadium. If you put a bunch of new high-dollar businesses and residences in that area, they won't tolerate the SHC in its current form. After one year at most, the SHC will find itself out of a place to play anyway.

No, those nice new places would charge the going rate for parking places which would enrage the SHC people who evidently are used to parking for free and entering the game for free. lol

it had less to do with the Jay-Z quote than the comments made towards people we know care about the school.

It appears your agenda is otherwise--

Quote:Now because I used a quote from a Jay-Z rap song, I am soooooooo interested in knowing why that makes it difficult to give me credibility on anything that i'm saying. Ha Ha I would love to see you, whoever you are, explain that. The reference for the quote was because JMStiger said my "rebuttals" were big fat softball pitches he was going to knock out the park. I'm going to go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt, that you have a GOOD reason for saying that you find it hard to give credibility to me because of that statement.

The "credibility" issue is based on what I perceived to be a random stranger calling out two people who have a long history and alot of respect here. I don't care if you quoted Gandhi, King, Reagan, or Bugs Bunny to do it.

I know and like those posters. You are a random stranger taking a position that I believe is likely to eventually result in the end of major college athletics at the U of M.

Now that said, the SHC is a political hurdle the leaders of the OCS campaign need to have a position on. That's as much as you are going to get from me spar03tan.

spar03tan Wrote:...Now because I used a quote from a Jay-Z rap song, I am soooooooo interested in knowing why that makes it difficult to give me credibility on anything that i'm saying. Ha Ha I would love to see you, whoever you are, explain that. The reference for the quote was because JMStiger said my "rebuttals" were big fat softball pitches he was going to knock out the park. I'm going to go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt, that you have a GOOD reason for saying that you find it hard to give credibility to me because of that statement.
....

I'm the guy that said it was difficult to give credibility to what you were saying based on your telling two respected posters to "Shut ya bumba". I'm also the guy that stated that the OCS folks should treat the city and the SHC respectfully and said some of the racial comments of this subject should be toned down. Now, could you please tell me what you said in the comments above? I can't figure it out but it's somewhere between giving me the benefit of the doubt and wanting to "see me".

Byrd and others working to get an OCS are not piting themselves against anyone . When it comes time to sign checks you can rest assured that Fred Jones will be asked for money just as Harold Grater ,Steve Erhart will be.
The U of M is a school of the whole community. To get an OCS the whole community will have to be a source for support. Those at the head of the effort to get this stadium have already reached out across the whole community for support . This strategy will make itself evident in short order. Forward thinking people , like Mr. Byrd ,realize that to move the U of M forward , you can't rely on old backward , devisive thinking displayed by some on this board. As was stated on another thread, those with this disposition need to support OLD MISSISSIPPI. You are not helping the U of M .

gee--the old u r not a fan arguement--
Genius.

talltrain Wrote:Byrd and others working to get an OCS are not piting themselves against anyone . When it comes time to sign checks you can rest assured that Fred Jones will be asked for money just as Harold Grater ,Steve Erhart will be.
The U of M is a school of the whole community. To get an OCS the whole community will have to be a source for support. Those at the head of the effort to get this stadium have already reached out across the whole community for support . This strategy will make itself evident in short order. Forward thinking people , like Mr. Byrd ,realize that to move the U of M forward , you can't rely on old backward , devisive thinking displayed by some on this board. As was stated on another thread, those with this disposition need to support OLD MISSISSIPPI. You are not helping the U of M .

they'll be asked for rent money, just as we are. i lived in new haven, connecticut once. home of Yale. those backward thinking yokels always tried to keep the city in their place.

Ok this is my last post tonight I have to go to work tomorrow, not necessarily because I like to but because I choose to. Challenge my credibility all you want, if you don't think my position holds any credibility, then don't reply to them. Also I am not attacking any of these posters as people, I am simply defending my position on these issues. Whether I called out two people who have a long history and a lot of respect here should not be material for anyone on which to judge me. I don't agree or disagree with people based on whether I know them or not. Oh thanks OneShiningMoment for clearing that up for me. I don't know anybody on this board and I think that makes me way more credible because I don't have anyone's peer influence on my posts Gracias! I'm not here to gain support from anyone here. I'm here to debate issues. Oh and thanks for the "privelege" to post on this wonderful board. I plan to be here as long as y'all can stand people who might disagree with you :)

Uh no old tiger I don't want to see you, I wanted to see you explain that. I didn't think you all would be soooooooo offended by me quoting a harmless song. Would it have been better if I just said "well there you have it!"?

Good night

talltrain Wrote:... you can't rely on old backward , devisive thinking displayed by some on this board. As was stated on another thread, those with this disposition need to support OLD MISSISSIPPI. You are not helping the U of M .

I agree.

spar03tan Wrote:Ok this is my last post tonight I have to go to work tomorrow, not necessarily because I like to but because I choose to. Challenge my credibility all you want, if you don't think my position holds any credibility, then don't reply to them. Also I am not attacking any of these posters as people, I am simply defending my position on these issues. Whether I called out two people who have a long history and a lot of respect here should not be material for anyone on which to judge me. I don't agree or disagree with people based on whether I know them or not. Oh thanks OneShiningMoment for clearing that up for me. I don't know anybody on this board and I think that makes me way more credible because I don't have anyone's peer influence on my posts Gracias! I'm not here to gain support from anyone here. I'm here to debate issues. Oh and thanks for the "privelege" to post on this wonderful board. I plan to be here as long as y'all can stand people who might disagree with you :)

Uh no old tiger I don't want to see you, I wanted to see you explain that. I didn't think you all would be soooooooo offended by me quoting a harmless song. Would it have been better if I just said "well there you have it!"?

Good night

Going to an old Yankees convention and yelling out "I hate Babe Ruth and Mickey Mantle!!!!" would damage your credibility and your commets would detract from anything you said for a pretty long time.

Four points to summarize the whole thing for you.

1. The university should do what is best for itself - it has sacrificed to every other group for long enough (therefore anything regarding the other tenants of the LB or the city falls under this category - if they are beneficial for the university and willing to be good partners, fine, but they should not determine the university's future).

2. A Feasibility study will be done. We have done enough research to believe that it will show that a stadium is possible in terms of space, parking, finances, etc. Please wait until the study is done, and see what it says, because rehashing those issues makes little sense when that is in the works.

3. One issue that I will give some attention is traffic and parking. Consider that students, faculty, and staff often arrive in their own cars, while people coming to games probably average 3-4 per vehicle. Pretty much the same number of cars. And game traffic will not be all at once - it will be spread over time because of people who tailgate, some who like to be very early and some who arrive at the last minute. The worst traffic crunch to any sports game probably lasts for 30 minutes at some point before and 30 minutes at some point after the game. That's 1 hr per game, 7 hours per year that are significantly worse than other times, and you will know when they are coming, and what routes will be the worst - easy to plan around it.

4. The most important reason for the OCS is the overall improvement of the university. To boil this down, it will be
(a) an avenue to deeper connection for more alum (read: more money for university colleges, depts, projects - thus positive financial and academic impact to the university as a whole)
(b) an increase in campus atmosphere, which is attractive to more students, thus increasing the academic requirements for entry via supply and demand, which in turn should lead to an increase in overall academic standing and graduation rates.
© it is an important show of commitment toward the program, which is necessary to have a chance at inclusion in the next round of BCS expansion. Many of us hate the BCS system, but for the good of the overall institution it is better to be one of the haves than one of the have-nots. Financially, the BCS money would be a huge boon to the U and help far beyond athletics. Academically, one's reputation goes up automatically by being in a BCS conference - it is quid pro quo, like it or not, it is a quick step between tiers 3 and 4.

Please understand that these are mere summaries, outlines of things that can and have been considered in depth with research and much debate. Through that process, there is an almost total consensus that has been built in favor of an OCS (albeit with a few holdouts). That means that many who were originally opposed to the idea reconsidered their position in light of the facts. That should give you some idea of the quality of information underlying this summary.

If you think that we are just blowing smoke, especially with regard to #4, you should consider those universities that have recently built or are currently building OCS for exactly those reasons (as well as the ones who have done so over the last 100 years). There is research to back this stuff up. If you would rather maintain your opinion than look into it any further, that is your right. However, you'll probably find that most people won't respond well to someone who upholds "academic integrity" and etc. without being willing to do their own homework.

I hope I didn't waste my time on this - but I'm not going to get into a back and forth argument here. Take it or leave it, but all of your questions have been respectfully answered.

lenetzach Wrote:Four points to summarize the whole thing for you.

1. The university should do what is best for itself - it has sacrificed to every other group for long enough (therefore anything regarding the other tenants of the LB or the city falls under this category - if they are beneficial for the university and willing to be good partners, fine, but they should not determine the university's future).

2. A Feasibility study will be done. We have done enough research to believe that it will show that a stadium is possible in terms of space, parking, finances, etc. Please wait until the study is done, and see what it says, because rehashing those issues makes little sense when that is in the works.

3. One issue that I will give some attention is traffic and parking. Consider that students, faculty, and staff often arrive in their own cars, while people coming to games probably average 3-4 per vehicle. Pretty much the same number of cars. And game traffic will not be all at once - it will be spread over time because of people who tailgate, some who like to be very early and some who arrive at the last minute. The worst traffic crunch to any sports game probably lasts for 30 minutes at some point before and 30 minutes at some point after the game. That's 1 hr per game, 7 hours per year that are significantly worse than other times, and you will know when they are coming, and what routes will be the worst - easy to plan around it.

4. The most important reason for the OCS is the overall improvement of the university. To boil this down, it will be
(a) an avenue to deeper connection for more alum (read: more money for university colleges, depts, projects - thus positive financial and academic impact to the university as a whole)
(b) an increase in campus atmosphere, which is attractive to more students, thus increasing the academic requirements for entry via supply and demand, which in turn should lead to an increase in overall academic standing and graduation rates.
© it is an important show of commitment toward the program, which is necessary to have a chance at inclusion in the next round of BCS expansion. Many of us hate the BCS system, but for the good of the overall institution it is better to be one of the haves than one of the have-nots. Financially, the BCS money would be a huge boon to the U and help far beyond athletics. Academically, one's reputation goes up automatically by being in a BCS conference - it is quid pro quo, like it or not, it is a quick step between tiers 3 and 4.

Please understand that these are mere summaries, outlines of things that can and have been considered in depth with research and much debate. Through that process, there is an almost total consensus that has been built in favor of an OCS (albeit with a few holdouts). That means that many who were originally opposed to the idea reconsidered their position in light of the facts. That should give you some idea of the quality of information underlying this summary.

If you think that we are just blowing smoke, especially with regard to #4, you should consider those universities that have recently built or are currently building OCS for exactly those reasons (as well as the ones who have done so over the last 100 years). There is research to back this stuff up. If you would rather maintain your opinion than look into it any further, that is your right. However, you'll probably find that most people won't respond well to someone who upholds "academic integrity" and etc. without being willing to do their own homework.

I hope I didn't waste my time on this - but I'm not going to get into a back and forth argument here. Take it or leave it, but all of your questions have been respectfully answered.

unfortunately, you wasted your time. he's not a fan. just another user.