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RE: Wacky and wild season the perfect argument for a playoff
Let me translate the article for everyone...

"The regular season has been great, so let's ruin it"

Nuggets like this...

"Had Florida lost in the SEC title game instead of midway through the season last year, it wouldn't have made the national championship game. Michigan, on the other hand, had no shot after losing to Ohio State in its season finale"

...show what a bad journalist Nancy Armour is...

Michigan had a shot to play in the National Championship...when they hosted Ohio State the FIRST TIME

And let's see...Florida won their conference, Michigan didn't

Here are some other fantastic points by idiot journalist #1398729358:

"BCS proponents argue that a playoff system would diminish the importance of the regular season and reward teams for losing. If Michigan wins out, a 10-2 record likely would put the Wolverines in the mix in a playoff system. Never mind that loss to Appalachian State. But except for those rare years when there are two undefeated teams, the BCS system allows do-overs, too. Oftentimes, it's the team that had the good fortune to get its losing over with early."

The BCS has never let a 2-loss team with one of those losses being to a IAA school in the National Championship game, sorry Nancy

"But this wacky season has shown the days of a few super programs dominating college football are over. There's little separating the top teams and the almost-top-teams, and watching them try and settle it on the field makes for great entertainment."

No it hasn't, and making this claim before the season is over is absurd

"Never mind that the ranking system has been tinkered with more than a beat-up car, or that it's now as convoluted as golf's FedEx Cup points system. Or that, since it began in 1998, the BCS has gotten it right about once every third year. (This isn't that year, for those keeping track. The formula worked in 2005.)"


The only year that the BCS hasn't worked is '04, which is the greatest flaw in the system

Playoff ideas for college football suck, and Nancy blows
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RE: Wacky and wild season the perfect argument for a playoff
bitcruncher Wrote:The games mean nothing - absolutely nothing. LSU loses a game, but they are still in the thick of the hunt above several unbeaten teams. Ditto for Oklahoma. Why do they deserve such consideration? If you have paid any attention to the talking heads this season, we all now know that it is because they have HISTORY. HISTORY makes you invincible in the minds of all. HISTORY get Notre Dame numerous bowl games they can't win. HISTORY makes fools of us all. Read history if you doubt it.

Quality wins are as important as losses...LSU has beaten Auburn, Florida, and Virginia Tech

West Virginia's lone quality win is over Rutgers...
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RE: Wacky and wild season the perfect argument for a playoff
Do voters view an SEC win (or loss) over another SEC team as a higher quality win (or loss) then that of other conferences? How do we know how good Va Tech and Florida really are?

There have not been enough games played between BCS conferences to make any any conference ranking an obective argument. This is true of all conferences and not just the SEC. Here for example is the SEC record versus other BCS schools. No other BCS conference has what can be viewed as a more stellar schedule.

PAC-10 (0-1)
1. TENNESSEE 31, CALIFORNIA 45

BIG 10 (0-0)

BIG EAST (1-2)
1. KENTUCKY 40, LOUISVILLE 34
1. AUBURN 23, S FLORIDA 26
2. MISSISSIPPI ST 13, WEST VIRGINIA 38

BIG 12 (2-1)
1. AUBURN 23, KANSAS ST 13
2. GEORGIA 35, OKLAHOMA ST 14
1. OLE MISS 25, MISSOURI 38

ACC (2-1)
1. LSU 48, VA TECH 7
2. S CAROLINA 21, UNC 15
1. ALABAMA 14, FLORIDA ST 21

This not to say that the SEC is not the best conference. I do feel they are but perhaps not to extent of poll voters. Of course if intra-conference wins are rated more highly a conference gains an advantage in getting to the BCS championship or a BCS bowl.

A playoff system would allow more teams to have a shot at the championship. There are problems with a playoff too. Who picks the teams? Who gets home field advantage? Having more games played between BCS conferences would be helpful too.
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RE: Wacky and wild season the perfect argument for a playoff
Here's the argument against play-offs
Alright we make it a 4 team playoff, the 5th team will complain that they got jipped
Fine, then let's make it 8: but #9 played better opponents and lost to top 5 teams
Have it your way: 16. But number 17 beat #1 and has the same record as #16.
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RE: Wacky and wild season the perfect argument for a playoff
njndirish Wrote:Here's the argument against play-offs
Alright we make it a 4 team playoff, the 5th team will complain that they got jipped
Fine, then let's make it 8: but #9 played better opponents and lost to top 5 teams
Have it your way: 16. But number 17 beat #1 and has the same record as #16.

It never stops.

The #66 team complains about not making the Final 64-65 NCAA tournament.
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RE: Wacky and wild season the perfect argument for a playoff
EvilVodka1 Wrote:
bitcruncher Wrote:The games mean nothing - absolutely nothing. LSU loses a game, but they are still in the thick of the hunt above several unbeaten teams. Ditto for Oklahoma. Why do they deserve such consideration? If you have paid any attention to the talking heads this season, we all now know that it is because they have HISTORY. HISTORY makes you invincible in the minds of all. HISTORY get Notre Dame numerous bowl games they can't win. HISTORY makes fools of us all. Read history if you doubt it.
Quality wins are as important as losses...LSU has beaten Auburn, Florida, and Virginia Tech

West Virginia's lone quality win is over Rutgers...
I don't consider any team that loses by 6 scores to be a quality team. You can scratch Virginia Tech off that list. They are going on past rep, and their rep is they fold when it counts.

You can count the Mountaineers win over Mississippi State too. They've beaten some good teams, like Auburn and Kentucky, and WVU jumped all over them as soon as the kickoff happened. If the Mountaineers had played the entire game, it would have been nasty.
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RE: Wacky and wild season the perfect argument for a playoff
Maize Wrote:A Playoff system is why the NFL IMHO will ALWAYS have the edge over College Football.

Go wash your finger tips with hydrochloric acid. I will not abide heresy.

I wouldn't mind the present system if they would stop excluding schools on the arbitrary basis of conference affiliation.
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RE: Wacky and wild season the perfect argument for a playoff
njndirish Wrote:Here's the argument against play-offs
Alright we make it a 4 team playoff, the 5th team will complain that they got jipped
Fine, then let's make it 8: but #9 played better opponents and lost to top 5 teams
Have it your way: 16. But number 17 beat #1 and has the same record as #16.

Invalid argument. In the ideal playoff setting (16 Teams (11 Conference Winners (Sorry, but unless the Sun Belt gets booted out of I-A, then it has to be included to be completely fair.) and 5 at large teams) most of the teams that have played well enough to have any business sniffing at a championship in a 12-13 game season, would have been included. And yes, like in any NCAA Sponsored sport, there are always the 5 last teams left out that each have their own story (and many teams do have a case to be upset) as to why they should be in. However, it is an accepted part of the process to give every team, in every division (besides I-A/FBS) a shot at a national championship.

And to play devil's advocate. Put this scenario up.

Team 16 has a 9 - 3 record, with 3 wins in the Top 25 (1 in the top 5, and 1 in the Top 10) with 7 wins over post season teams (the bowl system becomes the NIT in a playoff, IMHO) and a top 25 overall schedule (with a Top 15 OOC schedule to go with it).

Team 17 may have the victory over number 1, but what if it has a Bottom 30 OOC schedule? (and a comparable overall schedule strength to Team 16) What then?

I'll tell you what they have always told teams who are left out of March Madness...schedule better teams.

And to close out this post, let me bring up another point here that may not have been bought up. A playoff may just have an effect of teams playing better OOC games overall. Because, now you have to play games that look good for the selection process.
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RE: Wacky and wild season the perfect argument for a playoff
Gray Avenger Wrote:
Maize Wrote:A Playoff system is why the NFL IMHO will ALWAYS have the edge over College Football.

Go wash your finger tips with hydrochloric acid. I will not abide heresy.

I wouldn't mind the present system if they would stop excluding schools on the arbitrary basis of conference affiliation.

See, that is never going to happen. There's just too much money invovled in the BCS. Look how long it took for the system to open up to give non-auto bid conference members a fair shot at a one of the 4 bowls. You will almost never, ever see one of these conference members in the title game, even if everyone else had at least 2 losses, it would still be a long shot.
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RE: Wacky and wild season the perfect argument for a playoff
SilverPhoenix Wrote:
njndirish Wrote:Here's the argument against play-offs
Alright we make it a 4 team playoff, the 5th team will complain that they got jipped
Fine, then let's make it 8: but #9 played better opponents and lost to top 5 teams
Have it your way: 16. But number 17 beat #1 and has the same record as #16.

Invalid argument. In the ideal playoff setting (16 Teams (11 Conference Winners (Sorry, but unless the Sun Belt gets booted out of I-A, then it has to be included to be completely fair.) and 5 at large teams) most of the teams that have played well enough to have any business sniffing at a championship in a 12-13 game season, would have been included. And yes, like in any NCAA Sponsored sport, there are always the 5 last teams left out that each have their own story (and many teams do have a case to be upset) as to why they should be in. However, it is an accepted part of the process to give every team, in every division (besides I-A/FBS) a shot at a national championship.

And to play devil's advocate. Put this scenario up.

Team 16 has a 9 - 3 record, with 3 wins in the Top 25 (1 in the top 5, and 1 in the Top 10) with 7 wins over post season teams (the bowl system becomes the NIT in a playoff, IMHO) and a top 25 overall schedule (with a Top 15 OOC schedule to go with it).

Team 17 may have the victory over number 1, but what if it has a Bottom 30 OOC schedule? (and a comparable overall schedule strength to Team 16) What then?

I'll tell you what they have always told teams who are left out of March Madness...schedule better teams.

And to close out this post, let me bring up another point here that may not have been bought up. A playoff may just have an effect of teams playing better OOC games overall. Because, now you have to play games that look good for the selection process.

What I am saying is that there will never be a perfect system for picking the Champs, there will always be errors and what ifs, might as well keep it simple with the two team play-off we have right now.
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