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David Krysakowski Wrote:I still think that the Big East should look this after the split.

Eastern Division
Buffalo
Connecticut
Rutgers
South Florida
Syracuse
Temple

Western Division
Akron
Cincinnati
Louisville
Pittsburgh
Toledo
West Virginia

Should we change the name of the conference to Big MAC too?

I like it. Bowls will be knocking down our doors once we add Akron, Temple, Buffalo and Toledo. Tranghese will have Orange Bowl reps on their knees in his office just begging for a long-term deal with the Big MAC.

Sponsored by McDonald's, of course.
10-24-2007 10:25 PM
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chargeradio Wrote:If Akron or Ohio could string together a few good seasons in both basketball and football, one of them might not be such a bad pick.

Toledo offers a larger market if you're going the MAC route.

Columbus is bigger than Toledo, so I say go for Ohio State.

I won't speak for Ohio State here but Toledo has really fallen off track the last few years.

Toledo once averaged 30,000 for a season with many games above 35k.

This year Toledo had one game of 26,000 but otherwise has been stuck in the 15k-17k range all season long like an average MAC school. This will be the first time Toledo has averaged less then 20,000 in a season since the 80's. Only 15,000 in the house for Big XII Iowa State.

Akron has a new stadium planning to open in 2009 that will be the class of the MAC. It will be easily expandable to 50,000 and have all the first rate amenities that you would expect at a BCS stadium. This is a program that has long suffered from having an off campus stadium trying to build a fanbase but that situation will be no more.

If you look at the radio and TV network, the Big East has very little presence in Northeast Ohio which is a huge market of 5 million people. There are no BCS teams in NE Ohio, though OSU has much pull in that region because of its lack of tradition.

I think UC however has proven this season that Ohioans will back a team that is a player on the national scene regardless of how well OSU is doing so why not Akron if they can build up a Marshallesque following for themselves.
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wvucrazed Wrote:Fairmont State University
University of Charleston
Waynesburg
Shenandoah University
Indiana University (PA)

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cdumpster11 Wrote:University of Phoenix Online has a hell of a hoops tradition.

They also have a pretty nice football stadium, Phoenix would be a little far to travel for conference games but it would be a nice destination in the late fall.
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army56mike Wrote:I think we should add either.....

Western Kentucky
Eastern Kentucky
Morehead St.
Murray St.

or

Kentucky Wesleyan
Kentucky St.
Transylvania U.
Georgetown College

I don't think we could get Morehead State..... they're holding out for the SEC.

Imagine the great rivalry between Kentucky Wesleyan and USF. WOW!!
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Ha, Toledo never averaged 30 k. U out cho mind! I was at the game vs Navy when they broke the attendance record, it was like 36 k, and they added bleacher seating. The stadium officially seats like 26 k.
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Airport KC Wrote:Ohio has its own TV package it the Columbus market, thereby making it a bigger market acquisition then Toledo.

Ohio would be forced to drop their TV package, as all TV is negotiated through the BE. UC has a local package due to being grandfathered in, but that goes away once the current contract is up.
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army56mike Wrote:I think we should add either.....

Western Kentucky
Eastern Kentucky
Morehead St.
Murray St.

or

Kentucky Wesleyan
Kentucky St.
Transylvania U.
Georgetown College

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To gain some valuable insight on the newcomer who started this thread, look at the CUSA Board to view one lovely gem of a topic he started there, and then decide, logically, if this deadwood discussion is worth continuing.
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Hahaha, wow...I didn't think it was possible to find a worse thread than this one...but I think that tops it.
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if you're going to expand, don't mess around. i think the big east should invite the entire eastern division of the mid american conference. while they're at it they can invite the entire eastern division of c-usa. that will bring the league to twenty teams. you could have two divisions of ten teams and have a championship game at the end. the big east would be the first conference to have over ten bowl tie-ins. they could also send over ten teams to the ncaa tournament. this would be great!!
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after thinking about it, why stop there?? why not go international?? you could invite the university of toronto to join the league. that would assure the big east would keep its tie-in to the international bowl. i think u-of-toronto has a football team. i know they have a basketball team.

think big and keep expanding!!
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So? 04-cheers
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Well I think I will travel 2 miles to the east... cocoa beach.. and drink some beers n eat a few brats... that should help me to expand..
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I got news for you, U of Toronto might be a good idea. They could play thier games in the Sky Dome & all of Canada might watch there games.
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templefootballfan Wrote:I got news for you, U of Toronto might be a good idea. They could play thier games in the Sky Dome & all of Canada might watch there games.

Do they even sponsor all the Big East sports? Baseball, basketball, soccer, track and field?

Do they have a rival in Canada? Maybe add two of them for a travel partner.
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Division II Chowan making historic move to historically black CIAA
By JOEDY McCREARY, AP Sports Writer
October 25, 2007

MURFREESBORO, N.C. (AP) -- When tiny Chowan University moved up to Division II a few years ago, it knew it needed the stability that comes with joining a conference.

So the private, predominantly white Baptist school of about 900 students in northeast North Carolina shopped around for a league for its football program. One by one -- either because of geography, sport selection or a simple unwillingness to expand -- several possible homes for the Hawks were cast aside.

Meanwhile, its most unlikely host emerged as the best fit -- the Central Intercollegiate Athletic Association. The nation's oldest league for historically black colleges and universities next season will welcome Chowan's football team.

Call it the colorblind conference.

"We're being visionaries," Chowan athletic director Dennis Helsel said. "We're probably doing something that is not in the mainstream of North Carolina."

Or, for that matter, in college sports across the country. The first predominantly white college to join a conference typically reserved for historically black colleges and universities is an unprecedented marriage spurred by location and several CIAA defectors who left for the lower levels of Division I.

"The color of power is green," league commissioner Leon Kerry said. "I'm trying to build teams, I'm trying to add teams, I'm trying to keep the CIAA successful. What's going to make the CIAA successful today? Imagination and the willingness to make things different, and I think it's far past the time to make things different. ... Because the school's not an HBCU, do you overlook that school? Absolutely not."

Still, the history-making move was met with some skepticism. Critics wondered if Chowan would re-brand itself as an HBCU (it won't) or if the switch might start a trend to change the composition of other historically black leagues.

"One person (said), 'Look what happened to the Negro League,"' Helsel said. "Is this a harbinger of eliminating historically black (conferences)? And to those, I'm saying no. This is sports.

"In sports, we're not providing what the charter was, which was to educate African-Americans in an integral system that provided cultural backgrounds and historical backgrounds. No college, no matter how much they try, duplicates that culture experience. ... Chowan's still not going to provide (that) culture."

The move has been welcomed by leaders from black schools and conferences, with Southwestern Athletic Conference interim commissioner Duer Sharp calling it "a sign of progress" and Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference commissioner Dennis Thomas praising Kerry for his direction.

"I don't think (a conference) should be about what color the school is, because the world is not like that anymore," said Winston-Salem State athletic director Percy Caldwell, whose school recently left the league for Division I and the MEAC.

He also called it a shrewd business decision because it exposes black college sports to a wider audience.

"In the long run, that could be perhaps good for the conference, because now you get another segment of the population involved," he said. "That's going to help your marketing worldwide. It can open up new doors for revenues."

But Chowan never set out to make history. The Hawks just wanted a home in Division II.

In January 2006, the school hired Helsel, a West Point graduate with 30 years of coaching and administrative experience in Division I, to shepherd its move up from Division III. He sent out informal feelers and drew up a list of potential conferences.

He analyzed factors including travel distances and funding for scholarships. Chowan, nestled in the heart of the CIAA's Virginia-North Carolina footprint, is only a 90-minute drive from conference member Elizabeth City State, and he determined the average driving distance from the Murfreesboro campus to the other schools in the CIAA is 190 miles.

Before long, it was obvious to him that the CIAA was the best fit -- except, of course, for that pesky obstacle of race.

"We recognized we were not an historically black college or university, and for us to approach an historically black (conference) seemed out of place," Helsel said.

School officials sent informal feelers to conferences, letting them know they were looking to join a league. Kerry told the CIAA's board of directors that the conference, which had recently lost Winston-Salem State and North Carolina Central to Division I, might need to expand to remain viable and suggested Chowan as a possible candidate.

Things picked up this past May, when Kerry approached Chowan president M. Christopher White at a meeting in San Diego for Division II administrators, asking informally if he would be interested in joining the conference.

The formal offer from the CIAA came in July. Chowan's full membership in Division II took effect on Sept. 1, and the Hawks were announced as the CIAA's newest football program on Sept. 24.

"I thought we'd make a great team," Kerry said.

Chowan still has issues to deal with. The school plans to boost its athletic spending next year to draw closer to what the CIAA is awarding; the league's football programs offer an average of 23 scholarship equivalents that can be divided among players.

With a yearly tuition of $24,000, Chowan will be the priciest school in the CIAA, yet it plans to offer the equivalent of 16 scholarships next season and 24 in 2009-2010. It is planning to raise enough funds to increase its athletic budget from $1.6 million annually, add assistant coaches and spend $1 million to renovate the football coaches' complex.

School officials said if joining the league in football goes well, they'll push for membership in all sports, a process Kerry said likely would take another year.

But for now, Chowan is content to prepare for its role as the new kid in the league.

"The membership might be different," Kerry said. "But the brand name will always be CIAA."

This article appeared on the Yahoo Sports website on Thursday, October 25, 2007.
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Krocker Krapp Wrote:To gain some valuable insight on the newcomer who started this thread, look at the CUSA Board to view one lovely gem of a topic he started there, and then decide, logically, if this deadwood discussion is worth continuing.

Exactly.
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