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OT: Have any of our USF brethren heard this rumor from Big Ten country?
Not to start another expansion thread, and take it with a huge grain of salt, but I got this from the Killerfrogs.com TCU board:

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Oct 17, 2007 | 6:15AM | report this Reported on the Tampa Bay Fox affiliate’s late night sports cast yesterday (and I’m not sure what the WTTV 13 man’s sources are, but I thought he said one was the Big Ten Network):

The Big Ten is looking at going ahead and expanding to twelve teams. Overtures have been made to the University of Missouri.

If Missouri accepts and moves out of the Big 12, that conference in turn may ask it’s old Southwest Conference member, Arkansas, to come back into the fold. The reasoning being that there are many old rivalries between Arkansas and the current Big 12 members.

If this move would happen, the Southeast Conference would be faced with filling a vacancy. That leads to speculation that the SEC might approach the University of South Florida to leave the Big East and come aboard. The rationale there being that the Atlantic Coast Conference has two members residing in Florida and it would even out the SEC’s representation in the state verses the ACC. USF in the SEC? Why not?


While I seriously doubt that Arkansas will leave the SEC, that would be a stupid move from a financial and stability standpoint (the in-fighting for the money in Big 12 conference is uncomfortably fierce), Missouri to the Big Ten makes a TON of sense. And who would replace Missouri in the Big 12 if this rumor were true? If I were Memphis I would be on the phone with the Big 12 officials RIGHT NOW! Just in case it is true.
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RE: OT: Have any of our USF brethren heard this report from Big Ten country?
I find it highly unlikely that those moves would happen
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RE: OT: Have any of our USF brethren heard this rumor from Big Ten country?
I kind of agree. The Missouri move makes a TON of sense, and has been bouncing around for years. One rumor I heard as far back as 2002 or 2003 was that the Big Ten actually did due diligence on them, similar to what they did when Cincinnati and South Florida were considered. So the Missouri thing wouldn't shock me. Arkansas is not going to the Big 12, I don't know why people keep bringing that up. And Florida would definitely block USF's move to the SEC for the same reason Ohio State would block Cincinnati's move to the Big Ten. Either way we're already in BCS conferences so I don't care about Florida or OSU. And I'm pretty sure Arkansas doesn't care about the Big 12, conference affiliation wise.
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RE: OT: Have any of our USF brethren heard this rumor from Big Ten country?
Nobody's leaving the SEC by choice, too much money in that conference.
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RE: OT: Have any of our USF brethren heard this rumor from Big Ten country?
It would be very intresting who B-12 took to replace Missouri. Ark would not be intrested. At one time I tought Colo St made sence, but there strugglling. Memphis would help with travell, BYU would replace market. Utah would not be bad pick, They wouldn't take another Tex school. Might be the catalist for B-12 to implode.
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RE: OT: Have any of our USF brethren heard this rumor from Big Ten country?
arkansas wont leave the SEC for the big 12.....it will never happen. if missouri did leave, the list of schools they would look at would not be very long.

in no particular order:
tcu
memphis
utah
colorado state

i dont think BYU would be a viable option for a lot of reasons(similar to the Pac 10's reasons). also, it just as likely the big 12 would implode as it would for them to add a 12th team.
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RE: OT: Have any of our USF brethren heard this rumor from Big Ten country?
If Mizzou left for the supposed greener pastures of the Big Ten, I think the Big 12 either implodes or they add TCU and shift Oklahoma State up to the north division with their old Big 8 foes. Adding TCU makes the most sense of the two as they were a SWC member and they're probably the most consistent non-BCS team out there over the years.
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RE: OT: Have any of our USF brethren heard this rumor from Big Ten country?
I think the other way, if Missouri left I think it would help the Big 12 somewhat like Virginia Tech and Miami leaving the Big East ultimately helped it. For one, the reason I don't think that the Big 12 would add Colorado or TCU is because one of the Big 12's biggest problems right now is that their markets are to confined and overlapped. It's mainly a Texas conference right now, and that hurt the SWC. The Big 12 wants to expand their markets more and adding someone like Memphis, who is in the heart of SEC territory, would help a ton.
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RE: OT: Have any of our USF brethren heard this rumor from Big Ten country?
CatsClaw Wrote:I think the other way, if Missouri left I think it would help the Big 12 somewhat like Virginia Tech and Miami leaving the Big East ultimately helped it. For one, the reason I don't think that the Big 12 would add Colorado or TCU is because one of the Big 12's biggest problems right now is that their markets are to confined and overlapped. It's mainly a Texas conference right now, and that hurt the SWC. The Big 12 wants to expand their markets more and adding someone like Memphis, who is in the heart of SEC territory, would help a ton.

The Big 12 is basically 3 markets - Colorado, Missouri, and Texas.

Losing Missouri isn't going to help the Big 12 in terms of market. It will cripple it.

Losing Baylor and replacing it with a Memphis or Arkansas might help. But not losing Missouri.

Of course, if Missouri were to go to the Big Ten, it means that league isn't coming after any BEast team. 03-wink

Also think that might be 'the last straw' for Penn State.

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RE: OT: Have any of our USF brethren heard this rumor from Big Ten country?
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CatsClaw Wrote:I think the other way, if Missouri left I think it would help the Big 12 somewhat like Virginia Tech and Miami leaving the Big East ultimately helped it. For one, the reason I don't think that the Big 12 would add Colorado or TCU is because one of the Big 12's biggest problems right now is that their markets are to confined and overlapped. It's mainly a Texas conference right now, and that hurt the SWC. The Big 12 wants to expand their markets more and adding someone like Memphis, who is in the heart of SEC territory, would help a ton.

The Big 12 is basically 3 markets - Colorado, Missouri, and Texas.

Losing Missouri isn't going to help the Big 12 in terms of market. It will cripple it.

Losing Baylor and replacing it with a Memphis or Arkansas might help. But not losing Missouri.

Of course, if Missouri were to go to the Big Ten, it means that league isn't coming after any BEast team. 03-wink

Also think that might be 'the last straw' for Penn State.

Cheers,
Neil

Those are great points.
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RE: OT: Have any of our USF brethren heard this rumor from Big Ten country?
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CatsClaw Wrote:I think the other way, if Missouri left I think it would help the Big 12 somewhat like Virginia Tech and Miami leaving the Big East ultimately helped it. For one, the reason I don't think that the Big 12 would add Colorado or TCU is because one of the Big 12's biggest problems right now is that their markets are to confined and overlapped. It's mainly a Texas conference right now, and that hurt the SWC. The Big 12 wants to expand their markets more and adding someone like Memphis, who is in the heart of SEC territory, would help a ton.

The Big 12 is basically 3 markets - Colorado, Missouri, and Texas.

Losing Missouri isn't going to help the Big 12 in terms of market. It will cripple it.

Losing Baylor and replacing it with a Memphis or Arkansas might help. But not losing Missouri.

Of course, if Missouri were to go to the Big Ten, it means that league isn't coming after any BEast team. 03-wink

Also think that might be 'the last straw' for Penn State.

Cheers,
Neil

losing mizzou doesnt mean you are losing the whole missouri market. KU is bigger in Kansas City than Mizzou is. not to mention the large amounts of nebraska and k-state fans. the loss would hurt most definitely, but not as bad as losing texas or colorado would be in terms of markets.
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RE: OT: Have any of our USF brethren heard this rumor from Big Ten country?
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omnicarrier Wrote:
CatsClaw Wrote:I think the other way, if Missouri left I think it would help the Big 12 somewhat like Virginia Tech and Miami leaving the Big East ultimately helped it. For one, the reason I don't think that the Big 12 would add Colorado or TCU is because one of the Big 12's biggest problems right now is that their markets are to confined and overlapped. It's mainly a Texas conference right now, and that hurt the SWC. The Big 12 wants to expand their markets more and adding someone like Memphis, who is in the heart of SEC territory, would help a ton.

The Big 12 is basically 3 markets - Colorado, Missouri, and Texas.

Losing Missouri isn't going to help the Big 12 in terms of market. It will cripple it.

Losing Baylor and replacing it with a Memphis or Arkansas might help. But not losing Missouri.

Of course, if Missouri were to go to the Big Ten, it means that league isn't coming after any BEast team. 03-wink

Also think that might be 'the last straw' for Penn State.

Cheers,
Neil

losing mizzou doesnt mean you are losing the whole missouri market. KU is bigger in Kansas City than Mizzou is. not to mention the large amounts of nebraska and k-state fans. the loss would hurt most definitely, but not as bad as losing texas or colorado would be in terms of markets.

That's true. I don't think that losing Missouri would that the Big 12 will implode. If anything it'll mean they will add a new market, possibly expand to 14 and add a few markets along the way and add to the current markets (Memphis, TCU, Utah?) It'll be interesting to see the Big Ten is in fact going to scoop up Missouri.
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RE: OT: Have any of our USF brethren heard this rumor from Big Ten country?
lot of what if's, i'm not convinced if the big ten expands they take missouri, i think they go after a big fish like texas or notre dame or none at all. arkansas won't leave the sec. i wouldn't be surprised if the big 12 courts louisville if they did lose nebraska or missouri. south florida is just fine where it is.
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RE: OT: Have any of our USF brethren heard this rumor from Big Ten country?
I can tell you now that the Big 12 would go after another BCS conference program first. Arkansas is better fit for the Big 12 and it would be interesting to see just how much more money the SEC made than the Big 12 last season.

BYU also seems to be a better fit for the Big 10 than the PAC 10 but that is just my opinion. The SEC did go after FSU but the Seminoles settle for the ACC (which I believe was very smart on their part) so I don't think USF would be a stretch for them.
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RE: OT: Have any of our USF brethren heard this rumor from Big Ten country?
If the Big Ten adds Missouri, or even Nebraska, Arkansas is not leaving the SEC so the most logical addition would be BYU. They are the only non-autobid team to win a national title in the last 25 years and one of the biggest thorns in the side of the BCS.

Adding them would give Colorado a Mountain Time Zone opponent and give the North Division a religious counterpart to Baylor. This move would expand the Big 12 into a new and fast growing market while dealing a serious blow to BCS hopes in the MWC.

The Big 12 will not do something artificial like adding a South Division team and then moving Oklahoma State. Both the Cowboys and Sooners would fight tooth and nail against such an idea. TCU would not add as much, or solve as many problems, as BYU.

BYU to the Big 12 would shut the MWC up for good as their prime example of who deserves BCS status would now be in the BCS. Nobody is expanding to 14 teams so reel in the doomsday scenarios. I think the Big Ten would go after Nebraska first anyway.
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RE: OT: Have any of our USF brethren heard this rumor from Big Ten country?
Your right KK, BYU does make the most sence. No playing on Sunday deal could be worked out. However; BYU & Utah are tied at the hip. If the B-12 is worried about thier TV contact by losing Missouri, I could see B-12 taking BYU,Utah & Memphis.
As for Neb, Dynamics of CFB has changed. I don't see Neb as player anymore. There national following will start to decline. I don't see B-10 intrested at all.
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http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/myfox/pages...geId=6.9.2

I don't see any mention of the article. Could someone post a link?

Secondly, I actually met a person from a Big 10 school's athletic department a couple days ago at an event. I talked a little about the Nebraska/Missouri rumors.

They would not talk but suggested I look east for markets.
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The big 10 is going to go get the cuse...
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RE: OT: Have any of our USF brethren heard this rumor from Big Ten country?
SEC will never take Memphis...they don't need three teams in TN.

I can see them going after USF before Memphis...it would give them two teams in a stocked stated and make it harder for Miami and Fla St.
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RE: OT: Have any of our USF brethren heard this rumor from Big Ten country?
I think TCU is the more likely target. They are an old rival to all the Texas schools, and have history with the Oklahoma schools as well.
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