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bitcruncher Wrote:I think TCU is the more likely target. They are an old rival to all the Texas schools, and have history with the Oklahoma schools as well.

The reason the old SwC broke up was 1. rampant cheating, and 2. It was really the Texas Conference with not much national interest as in TV; the Big 12 would split up rather than add another Texas team imo.

I don't think Arkansas would leave the $EC because of the money and because its the strongest sports conference in the nation.While the rivalry with Texas was great, there wasn't much with any other schools in the B12. Arkansas had and is redeveloping a rivalry with LSU, the Mississippi schools are just across the river and they are flourishing in the SEC.

If any school leaves the Big12, I don't see a Texas school added, they already own that state. I think there are several teams attractive in the MWC, but they have one problem, they are in the Mountain Time Zone and don't get much publicity east of the Mississippi. BYU has the same problem as Romney, and does the Big 12 really want another church school (Baylor is a no go already).

Since some (non-Memphis) here have mentioned Memphis as a possible target if the Big12 goes looking, I think they are right on.
Decent market, Central Time Zone, smack dab in SEC territory and a great basketball program. They would bring the Liberty Bowl most likely, and that would be close enought to the Big 12 to be attractive.
Football is under achieving right now, but the potential is there and Memphis will support the Tigers. A BCS can do as much for Memphis as any other school. The blue chippers in the Memphis area would likely think seriously of staying home.

Didn't intend to "advertise" for the Big12 on the B.E. board, so forgive me for this; however, just maybe the B.E. could snag us before the Big12! Seriously, I got a little carried away.

You can't seriously compare BYU to Baylor? So what they are Christian schools, BYU has a much bigger commitment to athletics.

Yeah I do, BYU won't play on Sunday (don't know about Baylor) and have heard that is a big reason Pac10 will not consider them. Also, Christianity has nothing to do with it, but I don't think (could very well be wrong, and regardless do not want to get in a religious discussion) Mormon is considered a Christian religion.

I figured I get a comment about commitment, and your are rightl however, imo it would still be a handicap. If they were that attractive, I think the Pac 10 would take them.

P.S. you always jump in on post regarding Memphis and your usually negative. Since you aren't even a B.E. fan, bug off, I could give a good #$%^ what you have to say.

Yea, I didn't even say anything about Memphis you goof. I am a huge coach Cal fan. When have I ever said anything bad about them? Mormons are Christian. Church of Jesus Christ and Latter Day Saints or whatever. I am a Big East fan, I just happen to be a bigger Tar Heel/ACC fan. This isn't even a Big East post!

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CatsClaw Wrote:I think the other way, if Missouri left I think it would help the Big 12 somewhat like Virginia Tech and Miami leaving the Big East ultimately helped it. For one, the reason I don't think that the Big 12 would add Colorado or TCU is because one of the Big 12's biggest problems right now is that their markets are to confined and overlapped. It's mainly a Texas conference right now, and that hurt the SWC. The Big 12 wants to expand their markets more and adding someone like Memphis, who is in the heart of SEC territory, would help a ton.

The Big 12 is basically 3 markets - Colorado, Missouri, and Texas.

Losing Missouri isn't going to help the Big 12 in terms of market. It will cripple it.

Losing Baylor and replacing it with a Memphis or Arkansas might help. But not losing Missouri.

Of course, if Missouri were to go to the Big Ten, it means that league isn't coming after any BEast team.

Also think that might be 'the last straw' for Penn State.

Cheers,
Neil

losing mizzou doesnt mean you are losing the whole missouri market. KU is bigger in Kansas City than Mizzou is. not to mention the large amounts of nebraska and k-state fans. the loss would hurt most definitely, but not as bad as losing texas or colorado would be in terms of markets.

That's true. I don't think that losing Missouri would that the Big 12 will implode. If anything it'll mean they will add a new market, possibly expand to 14 and add a few markets along the way and add to the current markets (Memphis, TCU, Utah?) It'll be interesting to see the Big Ten is in fact going to scoop up Missouri.

No conference is going to expand to 14 members. No reason to do that. With 12 members you can have a conference champship game already and going to 14 just means you have to share the money with more schools.

Would not be surprised if most do not expand to 14. The BCS conferences have a problem with non BCS conference teams making noise about having to meet a different set of criteria in order to make it to a BCS game. Adding a few of the better non BCS teams to existing BCS conferences may help quiet the noise. The BCS cannot afford anoother 2002-2003 season when Florida State made a $13 million BCS bowl with a 9-4 record. While a 11-1 Boise St had to settle for a $750,000 bowl.

goodknightfl Wrote:this is just a tampa reporter stroking the home teams ego... I dont see the big 10 adding Mo.. though they do fit.. they want a new TV market.. Mo doesnt do that very well..even if they did.. Ark despite all the talk isnt going to the big 12.. its all about $$$$$ and the SEC has much more than the big 12. Not sure who the big 12 would add.. but look to the MWC for the answer..

I have seen this about 6 times but the TV station and the reporter changes each different version. I think it may be a Urban legend type thing or hoax.

another hoax will be started soon that says that Miles is leaving to Michigan and Leavitt will take his place. I am not starting a rumor just telling about a hoax that will be started this next week or as soon as Michigan loses again.

I wouldn't doubt the B10 finally decides to go to 12... Mo is a good program and fits their footprint.. but isn't going to add much to the TV deal they are working... Texas would make some sense.. as would Cuse or rutgers, the whole Ark going back thing is just dumb.. no way they take a multi Million $$$$ hit...the Big 12 if they had to go get one.. will look to MWC, CUSA, or the Wac...

If the B10 goes after Missouri the B12 goes after L'ville. The Ville has a solid FB program to add to the North and brings a solid BB program with it to bolster that end of the revenue producing stream. BYU is a reach on the footprint especially for Olympic sports and traveling costs.

Ideally the the B10 waits for ND. They have the time, the power, the national conference identity, and the income to have the patience to sit and wait for their main target.

The last scenario has the B10 taking a team from the BE. That would simply be market share and greed driven as it really stretches their footprint unless they go after Pitt as the main target. That can't happen until Jo-PA and his influence are gone from the Penn State scene. No market is added here but the championship game is added bringing value. It also totally usurps PA from any other big time conference, helps with travel costs for Olympic sports and gives Penn State a travel partner on this side of the conference. Adding Pitt would also add a BB power and draw eastern kids to the B-10 BB programs. You have the eastern PA market covered with Penn State so you have most of the Middle Atlantic TVs tuned into the B10 where the B10 channel needs the TV market.

Syracuse would be the ideal candidate with their BB program and their NYC and New England areas. Northwestern NJ and Eastern PA fans also follow Cuse. Big market there - really big. They are well within the footprint for Penn State, the Michigan teams, Ohio State, and the Indiana schools too. B10 membership would also drive the FB program back to prominence too. The income from this conference would justify a new larger Domed Stadium there and the adage that if you build it they will come will prevail.

Rutgers is often mentioned for their NYC market and I would fully support the move for Rutgers (not that my vote would count) but I think that Cuse gets the nod over them for the NYC area market. Rutgers needs to stay at the top of the BE for the next 10 years and build at least a 70,000 seat stadium and fill it every week to be considered. It also needs to continue it's bowl success and put fans in the seats at bowl games which is something that Cuse doesn't do during the bowl season. You have to have fans at all the bowls not just the big championship bowls. Rutgers also needs to bring their BB program to the fore front of the BE competition for B10 consideration. That second revenue source and a proven winner to capture NYC TV sets is a must for year round TV revenue that the B10 is trying to generate. Cuse has Rutgers beat in this area already. The final mark against Rutgers and the B10 is the footprint stretch especially for the Olympic sports. Pitt and Cuse enjoy the advantage in this area also. If the B10 is willing to stretch the footprint this far they are already calculating on the Big 5 conferences going to 14 team super-conferences (2010 -2015) and will fill in the hole with Cuse or Pitt later. If that is the case they can also figure on picking off Rutgers later if the thought of 14 team super conferences comes to be. The B10 could pick up Pitt or Cuse now (I think its Cuse) and pick up Rutgers down the road if they over come the deficient areas I named above. If they don't Pitt is already in the footprint after Jo-Pa the "BLOCKER" is gone.

In any case the BE must be ready to re-invent itself for football in the next ten years. If it survives they are going to have to replace teams one at a time with teams that put fans in the seats at home and at bowls as soon as they enter the conference. The BE might go on as is with the BB schools if the presidents know that the 14 team super-conferences are on the horizon as part of a play off system and save the BCS bowls in the process. If that comes into play the FB schools would end up in the B10, SEC, ACC, and the B12; and would be just as well off, if not better off. The BB schools keep the BE name and are strictly a BB conference again. BB verses FB interests over, settled, and done. In the mean time both the FB and BB factions should each have a pass to leave the conference as a group on a bi-annual basis to grow and expand if need be.

Hopefully the B10 and B12 stay away from the Big East and this great conference continues to grow as a group and grow financially to match the other conferences so that no one will want to leave. Time will tell all. GO BIG EAST!!!!!!!!!!!!

panite Wrote:If the B10 goes after Missouri the B12 goes after L'ville. The Ville has a solid FB program to add to the North and brings a solid BB program with it to bolster that end of the revenue producing stream. BYU is a reach on the footprint especially for Olympic sports and traveling costs.

Ideally the the B10 waits for ND. They have the time, the power, the national conference identity, and the income to have the patience to sit and wait for their main target.

The last scenario has the B10 taking a team from the BE. That would simply be market share and greed driven as it really stretches their footprint unless they go after Pitt as the main target. That can't happen until Jo-PA and his influence are gone from the Penn State scene. No market is added here but the championship game is added bringing value. It also totally usurps PA from any other big time conference, helps with travel costs for Olympic sports and gives Penn State a travel partner on this side of the conference. Adding Pitt would also add a BB power and draw eastern kids to the B-10 BB programs. You have the eastern PA market covered with Penn State so you have most of the Middle Atlantic TVs tuned into the B10 where the B10 channel needs the TV market.

Syracuse would be the ideal candidate with their BB program and their NYC and New England areas. Northwestern NJ and Eastern PA fans also follow Cuse. Big market there - really big. They are well within the footprint for Penn State, the Michigan teams, Ohio State, and the Indiana schools too. B10 membership would also drive the FB program back to prominence too. The income from this conference would justify a new larger Domed Stadium there and the adage that if you build it they will come will prevail.

Rutgers is often mentioned for their NYC market and I would fully support the move for Rutgers (not that my vote would count) but I think that Cuse gets the nod over them for the NYC area market. Rutgers needs to stay at the top of the BE for the next 10 years and build at least a 70,000 seat stadium and fill it every week to be considered. It also needs to continue it's bowl success and put fans in the seats at bowl games which is something that Cuse doesn't do during the bowl season. You have to have fans at all the bowls not just the big championship bowls. Rutgers also needs to bring their BB program to the fore front of the BE competition for B10 consideration. That second revenue source and a proven winner to capture NYC TV sets is a must for year round TV revenue that the B10 is trying to generate. Cuse has Rutgers beat in this area already. The final mark against Rutgers and the B10 is the footprint stretch especially for the Olympic sports. Pitt and Cuse enjoy the advantage in this area also. If the B10 is willing to stretch the footprint this far they are already calculating on the Big 5 conferences going to 14 team super-conferences (2010 -2015) and will fill in the hole with Cuse or Pitt later. If that is the case they can also figure on picking off Rutgers later if the thought of 14 team super conferences comes to be. The B10 could pick up Pitt or Cuse now (I think its Cuse) and pick up Rutgers down the road if they over come the deficient areas I named above. If they don't Pitt is already in the footprint after Jo-Pa the "BLOCKER" is gone.

In any case the BE must be ready to re-invent itself for football in the next ten years. If it survives they are going to have to replace teams one at a time with teams that put fans in the seats at home and at bowls as soon as they enter the conference. The BE might go on as is with the BB schools if the presidents know that the 14 team super-conferences are on the horizon as part of a play off system and save the BCS bowls in the process. If that comes into play the FB schools would end up in the B10, SEC, ACC, and the B12; and would be just as well off, if not better off. The BB schools keep the BE name and are strictly a BB conference again. BB verses FB interests over, settled, and done. In the mean time both the FB and BB factions should each have a pass to leave the conference as a group on a bi-annual basis to grow and expand if need be.

Hopefully the B10 and B12 stay away from the Big East and this great conference continues to grow as a group and grow financially to match the other conferences so that no one will want to leave. Time will tell all. GO BIG EAST!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- still think Notre Dame just going to the Big 10 is the most logical way for everything to play out....a couple more yrs like this and NBC might pull the plug on the TV deal

Jackson

The Big Ten needs to say screw Notre Dame and make a move. Nebraska is a much more national program than Missouri and that is the way they need to go. Tom Osborne will help pick a new AD, who will then fire Bill Callahan, and the Cornhuskers will be right back on track.

I think a change in scenery, along with a change in football coaches, might be just the jolt Nebraska needs to return to its former prominence. The battles the Cornhuskers could wage with Wisconsin for a Big Ten West Division title every year would simply be tremendous.

Nebraska does not add a single market but boasts a national fanbase while also getting the Big Ten into Omaha and the rest of Nebraska as well as decent slices of the Kansas City, suburban Missouri, and suburban Kansas markets. They bring so much more than Missouri.

As for BYU and the No Sunday thing, you know what, if Fundamentalists are so tempted by the desire to keep Republicans in power that they will vote for a corrupt sinner like Rudy Giuliani then BYU will be so tempted by Big 12 BCS money that they will work something out.

Krocker Krapp Wrote:The Big Ten needs to say screw Notre Dame and make a move. Nebraska is a much more national program than Missouri and that is the way they need to go. Tom Osborne will help pick a new AD, who will then fire Bill Callahan, and the Cornhuskers will be right back on track.

I think a change in scenery, along with a change in football coaches, might be just the jolt Nebraska needs to return to its former prominence. The battles the Cornhuskers could wage with Wisconsin for a Big Ten West Division title every year would simply be tremendous.

Nebraska does not add a single market but boasts a national fanbase while also getting the Big Ten into Omaha and the rest of Nebraska as well as decent slices of the Kansas City, suburban Missouri, and suburban Kansas markets. They bring so much more than Missouri.

As for BYU and the No Sunday thing, you know what, if Fundamentalists are so tempted by the desire to keep Republicans in power that they will vote for a corrupt sinner like Rudy Giuliani then BYU will be so tempted by Big 12 BCS money that they will work something out.

the big 10 should just add... Haw and be done with it..

esayem Wrote:

tigercat Wrote:

esayem Wrote:

tigercat Wrote:

bitcruncher Wrote:I think TCU is the more likely target. They are an old rival to all the Texas schools, and have history with the Oklahoma schools as well.

The reason the old SwC broke up was 1. rampant cheating, and 2. It was really the Texas Conference with not much national interest as in TV; the Big 12 would split up rather than add another Texas team imo.

I don't think Arkansas would leave the $EC because of the money and because its the strongest sports conference in the nation.While the rivalry with Texas was great, there wasn't much with any other schools in the B12. Arkansas had and is redeveloping a rivalry with LSU, the Mississippi schools are just across the river and they are flourishing in the SEC.

If any school leaves the Big12, I don't see a Texas school added, they already own that state. I think there are several teams attractive in the MWC, but they have one problem, they are in the Mountain Time Zone and don't get much publicity east of the Mississippi. BYU has the same problem as Romney, and does the Big 12 really want another church school (Baylor is a no go already).

Since some (non-Memphis) here have mentioned Memphis as a possible target if the Big12 goes looking, I think they are right on.
Decent market, Central Time Zone, smack dab in SEC territory and a great basketball program. They would bring the Liberty Bowl most likely, and that would be close enought to the Big 12 to be attractive.
Football is under achieving right now, but the potential is there and Memphis will support the Tigers. A BCS can do as much for Memphis as any other school. The blue chippers in the Memphis area would likely think seriously of staying home.

Didn't intend to "advertise" for the Big12 on the B.E. board, so forgive me for this; however, just maybe the B.E. could snag us before the Big12! Seriously, I got a little carried away.

You can't seriously compare BYU to Baylor? So what they are Christian schools, BYU has a much bigger commitment to athletics.

Yeah I do, BYU won't play on Sunday (don't know about Baylor) and have heard that is a big reason Pac10 will not consider them. Also, Christianity has nothing to do with it, but I don't think (could very well be wrong, and regardless do not want to get in a religious discussion) Mormon is considered a Christian religion.

I figured I get a comment about commitment, and your are rightl however, imo it would still be a handicap. If they were that attractive, I think the Pac 10 would take them.

P.S. you always jump in on post regarding Memphis and your usually negative. Since you aren't even a B.E. fan, bug off, I could give a good #$%^ what you have to say.

Yea, I didn't even say anything about Memphis you goof. I am a huge coach Cal fan. When have I ever said anything bad about them? Mormons are Christian. Church of Jesus Christ and Latter Day Saints or whatever. I am a Big East fan, I just happen to be a bigger Tar Heel/ACC fan. This isn't even a Big East post!

If your a "big east fan" but a "bigger Tar Heel/ACC fan" I'd think you'd dump the Hoe Heel icon out of respect for board.

Your comments about Memphis are imo due to the fact you always jump in when Memphis is mention (say regarding BE inclusion) and repeat the same tired thread about this one of that one is better. You might be right and certainly mean it, but why the obsession with Memphis?

Finally, I don't think anyone can be a good to great fan of two different schools and/or conferences. Waste of energy also.

P.S. you seem to lack reading comprehension skills; I said I didn't want to make this a religious discussion. Well, with your usual disruptive positngs (theme and threads) your are at it again. Personally, I give a rat's patooey whether or not they are Christian.