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their hundreds of fans will be so disappointed.

has the mwc called yet? have we called them?

1boisebro Wrote:their hundreds of fans will be so disappointed.

has the mwc called yet? have we called them?

The MWC is a dirty word!

We may all have to join the Big Sky when they move to D1A!!!

:laugh:

broncobob Wrote:

1boisebro Wrote:their hundreds of fans will be so disappointed.

has the mwc called yet? have we called them?

The MWC is a dirty word!

We may all have to join the Big Sky when they move to D1A!!!

:laugh:

the MWC is like that gorgeous blonde in school with legs from here to yaya.

she's a ***** until she asks you out.

then you eagerly say yes, and soon the union becomes legally binding.

and then you just want to beat her year after year until the hot pac10 brunette notices you and then--

okay, maybe that's a bad analogy...


sorry.

1boisebro Wrote:their hundreds of fans will be so disappointed.

has the mwc called yet? have we called them?

I really hope the MWC gets BSU asap. This past year, BSU has been a poison to the WAC.

Also, our fan base albeit small, is in the tens of thousands.

At least we don't live in a pathetic little city called Boise. I'd rather be in Najaf, Iraq than Boise.

SJS1 Wrote:

1boisebro Wrote:their hundreds of fans will be so disappointed.

has the mwc called yet? have we called them?

I really hope the MWC gets BSU asap. This past year, BSU has been a poison to the WAC.

Also, our fan base albeit small, is in the tens of thousands.

At least we don't live in a pathetic little city called Boise. I'd rather be in Najaf, Iraq than Boise.

That reply came in a bad time.

We just worked our ****** off in fundraising, our morale destroyed with the faculty vote, and we get to read comments like this from our fellow WAC.

Here is a .

SJS1 Wrote:I'd rather be in Najaf, Iraq than Boise.

I would rather you be there than here too.

SJS1 Wrote:

SJS1 Wrote:

1boisebro Wrote:their hundreds of fans will be so disappointed.

has the mwc called yet? have we called them?

I really hope the MWC gets BSU asap. This past year, BSU has been a poison to the WAC.

Also, our fan base albeit small, is in the tens of thousands.

At least we don't live in a pathetic little city called Boise. I'd rather be in Najaf, Iraq than Boise.

That reply came in a bad time.

We just worked our ****** off in fundraising, our morale destroyed with the faculty vote, and we get to read comments like this from our fellow WAC.

Here is a .

I can understand why you are so grumpy SJS, but don't take it out on the Bronco fans.
We are really praying the SJS can continue to sponser D1A football.

Football is the Soul of a college sport program. Schools without football have no sports souls!

broncobob Wrote:

SJS1 Wrote:

SJS1 Wrote:

1boisebro Wrote:their hundreds of fans will be so disappointed.

has the mwc called yet? have we called them?

I really hope the MWC gets BSU asap. This past year, BSU has been a poison to the WAC.

Also, our fan base albeit small, is in the tens of thousands.

At least we don't live in a pathetic little city called Boise. I'd rather be in Najaf, Iraq than Boise.

That reply came in a bad time.

We just worked our ****** off in fundraising, our morale destroyed with the faculty vote, and we get to read comments like this from our fellow WAC.

Here is a .

I can understand why you are so grumpy SJS, but don't take it out on the Bronco fans.
We are really praying the SJS can continue to sponser D1A football.

Football is the Soul of a college sport program. Schools without football have no sports souls!

Yeah but the "hundreds of fans" comment was tacky especially when our program is at its all time low. Thanks.
I am out of this board.

SJS1 Wrote:

broncobob Wrote:

SJS1 Wrote:

SJS1 Wrote:

1boisebro Wrote:their hundreds of fans will be so disappointed.

has the mwc called yet? have we called them?

I really hope the MWC gets BSU asap. This past year, BSU has been a poison to the WAC.

Also, our fan base albeit small, is in the tens of thousands.

At least we don't live in a pathetic little city called Boise. I'd rather be in Najaf, Iraq than Boise.

That reply came in a bad time.

We just worked our ****** off in fundraising, our morale destroyed with the faculty vote, and we get to read comments like this from our fellow WAC.

Here is a .

I can understand why you are so grumpy SJS, but don't take it out on the Bronco fans.
We are really praying the SJS can continue to sponser D1A football.

Football is the Soul of a college sport program. Schools without football have no sports souls!

Yeah but the "hundreds of fans" comment was tacky especially when our program is at its all time low. Thanks.
I am out of this board.

I feel your pain SJS fan. I am the biggest college football fan in the world and a little bit of me dies whenever a college drops football.

I sure it hope San Jose State football lives to fight another day.

sorry about that, SJS1 -- it was a pretty low blow considering what's going on. don't leave the board on account of my one brain cramp.

truth is, everything that's happening in the wac right now irks me -- teams leaving, schools reporting fiscal issues, the wac scrambling (seemingly) to replace the defectors, media perception that the wac is the weakling in 1a athletics.

i'd hate to see SJSU lose football and bolt the wac just as much as i'd like to see every wac team sell out every game and win every OOC contest and start rocking the BCS boat until it sinks.

at the same time, because of the state the wac's in today, nobody can blame teams for looking to join the MWC or CUSA conferences. national perception is that those leagues are stronger, and the television contracts seem to prove that. given the wac's issues it's no wonder BSU, FSU and others have wanted to make the move to better their teams, earn more money and gain more respect.

sucks, but that's the status quo at the moment.

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Faculty votes for D I-A withdrawal


By Tony Burchyns
Daily Managing Editor
May 18, 2004


With the promise of more lively debate on Spartan athletics expected to come in the fall, the Academic Senate on Monday folded up its tent for the Spring 2004 session.

The last 30 days or so have been peppy ones for the policy advisory body of elected faculty members, staff and students. Spartan football, Division I-A athletics and Western Athletics Conference membership have been front and center in a procession of resolutions and one facultywide referendum.

The question of whether the university president should "immediately initiate the process of withdrawal from Division I-A and the WAC" was sent out for a faculty vote on April 19. On Friday, results were announced - the faculty voted three to one to support the recommendation. The vote also backs limiting tax-dollar support of athletics to 1.8 percent of the school's budget.

In a meeting on May 10, the Senate approved a resolution to explore joining a coalition of universities that deals with athletics reform.

Senate Chair Annette Nellen on Monday expressed her strong desire to see follow-up actions taken on these moves.

"I think we did the right thing - we passed two resolutions - and we need to follow up on those reports and resolutions," Nellen said.

She then informed the assembly, "Personally, I don't want to see us simply pass a Sense of the Senate (resolution) asking the president to reduce general fund support to athletics and then not do anything for 10 years."

Nellen reminded the Senate about similar resolutions to cap athletics spending that passed in the early 1980s and in 1993.

The 1993 resolution asked the president to cap funds at 1 percent of the school's general fund budget. The request was never honored, and funding for Spartan athletics steamed ahead at a rate more than twice than what the Senate recommended.

Two Senators raised objections to statements in the press made by Nellen and interim President Joseph Crowley that could be seen as downplaying the referendum's value.

Senator Nancy Stork, an associate professor of English, accused Nellen of making the faculty look bad in telling the Mercury News, "We essentially are sending a vote to the president that has to be ignored."

Nellen responded to Stork's concern by saying the Senate still needed to look carefully at the ramifications of leaving Division I-A, which some people fear could spell the end of the 110-year-old football program.

Stork's colleague Senator Allison Heisch, a professor in the English department, spoke out against what she viewed as condescending remarks about the Senate made by Crowley in a Spartan Daily article.

On May 5, Crowley said in a press conference he respected the faculty's right to hold referenda, but the Senate's resolution lacked an "adequate process for understanding its implications."

Heisch said Crowley was ignoring the voice of the faculty on the issue of athletics.

Senator Michael Katz, a professor of secondary education, stood up to address Stork and Heisch. Katz was part of the three-person committee that early this semester produced a report on athletics funding that prompted the Senate resolution and faculty referendum.

"As someone who was against the resolution, I am for the spirit of holding athletics accountable ... they don't have a blank check," Katz said.

Nellen said she did not agree with the resolution's time frame in withdrawing from Division I-A and the WAC by 2005-06.

With fiscal planning for the 2005-06 academic year beginning in the fall, and recruiting for Division I-A teams chugging along, she said the resolution's prescribed timeframe made no sense.

"It was a bad day for the Senate," Nellen said with regard to the April 19 meeting, when members voted to approve the resolution without apparently calculating how it could be met.

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Faculty votes for D I-A withdrawal


By Tony Burchyns
Daily Managing Editor
May 18, 2004


With the promise of more lively debate on Spartan athletics expected to come in the fall, the Academic Senate on Monday folded up its tent for the Spring 2004 session.

The last 30 days or so have been peppy ones for the policy advisory body of elected faculty members, staff and students. Spartan football, Division I-A athletics and Western Athletics Conference membership have been front and center in a procession of resolutions and one facultywide referendum.

The question of whether the university president should "immediately initiate the process of withdrawal from Division I-A and the WAC" was sent out for a faculty vote on April 19. On Friday, results were announced - the faculty voted three to one to support the recommendation. The vote also backs limiting tax-dollar support of athletics to 1.8 percent of the school's budget.

In a meeting on May 10, the Senate approved a resolution to explore joining a coalition of universities that deals with athletics reform.

Senate Chair Annette Nellen on Monday expressed her strong desire to see follow-up actions taken on these moves.

"I think we did the right thing - we passed two resolutions - and we need to follow up on those reports and resolutions," Nellen said.

She then informed the assembly, "Personally, I don't want to see us simply pass a Sense of the Senate (resolution) asking the president to reduce general fund support to athletics and then not do anything for 10 years."

Nellen reminded the Senate about similar resolutions to cap athletics spending that passed in the early 1980s and in 1993.

The 1993 resolution asked the president to cap funds at 1 percent of the school's general fund budget. The request was never honored, and funding for Spartan athletics steamed ahead at a rate more than twice than what the Senate recommended.

Two Senators raised objections to statements in the press made by Nellen and interim President Joseph Crowley that could be seen as downplaying the referendum's value.

Senator Nancy Stork, an associate professor of English, accused Nellen of making the faculty look bad in telling the Mercury News, "We essentially are sending a vote to the president that has to be ignored."

Nellen responded to Stork's concern by saying the Senate still needed to look carefully at the ramifications of leaving Division I-A, which some people fear could spell the end of the 110-year-old football program.

Stork's colleague Senator Allison Heisch, a professor in the English department, spoke out against what she viewed as condescending remarks about the Senate made by Crowley in a Spartan Daily article.

On May 5, Crowley said in a press conference he respected the faculty's right to hold referenda, but the Senate's resolution lacked an "adequate process for understanding its implications."

Heisch said Crowley was ignoring the voice of the faculty on the issue of athletics.

Senator Michael Katz, a professor of secondary education, stood up to address Stork and Heisch. Katz was part of the three-person committee that early this semester produced a report on athletics funding that prompted the Senate resolution and faculty referendum.

"As someone who was against the resolution, I am for the spirit of holding athletics accountable ... they don't have a blank check," Katz said.

Nellen said she did not agree with the resolution's time frame in withdrawing from Division I-A and the WAC by 2005-06.

With fiscal planning for the 2005-06 academic year beginning in the fall, and recruiting for Division I-A teams chugging along, she said the resolution's prescribed timeframe made no sense.

"It was a bad day for the Senate," Nellen said with regard to the April 19 meeting, when members voted to approve the resolution without apparently calculating how it could be met.

This is starting to get a little scary for our Spartan Brethren. I original thought that it would not happen, but now I think SJS could really drop football and join the Big West Conference.

How will this impact expansion plans?

Maybe it is time to add Idaho AND 4 Sun Belt teams to create a 13 teams conference. Then when SJS drops out, the WAC could settle in at 12 teams.

This could have a huge impact the expansion plans!!!

Faculty senates are b!tchy little institutions with no power, no say, and no clue.

We've had our share over the years, including a crazy Dutchman who taught philosophy, whose wife taught English, and who, with the help of a then youngish toady English Assistant Prof., ran the 1st anti FB campaign beginning in about '74. He kept at it for about 10-15 years until he retired, then his toady, now tenured, took over for him. Now the toady's on emeritus status, but used to feed distorted dreck to the local paper trying to give athletics, especially FB, a black eye.

Of course, the SLC press (toadies themselves to the southern stench) just lapped it all up. They did us some harm, but had no effect on the alumni.

The harm was in driving a greater wedge between town (which wants FB) and gown (and you know what I think of them).

Spartans, unite! Ignore these idiots.

1boisebro Wrote:sorry about that, SJS1 -- it was a pretty low blow considering what's going on. don't leave the board on account of my one brain cramp.

truth is, everything that's happening in the wac right now irks me -- teams leaving, schools reporting fiscal issues, the wac scrambling (seemingly) to replace the defectors, media perception that the wac is the weakling in 1a athletics.

i'd hate to see SJSU lose football and bolt the wac just as much as i'd like to see every wac team sell out every game and win every OOC contest and start rocking the BCS boat until it sinks.

at the same time, because of the state the wac's in today, nobody can blame teams for looking to join the MWC or CUSA conferences. national perception is that those leagues are stronger, and the television contracts seem to prove that. given the wac's issues it's no wonder BSU, FSU and others have wanted to make the move to better their teams, earn more money and gain more respect.

sucks, but that's the status quo at the moment.

Thanks for the support and I take back my Najaf comment. I have never been to either place so obviously, I have no idea what I wrote.

Yesterday was just one big blow. The Spartan Army and those active members at Spartan Thunder gave up so much blood, sweat and tears to keep our football program. Now, it looks like even the faculty could care less.

I doubt Spartan Football will drop to 1-AA, most loyal boosters pledged not to contribute if that happens. It is 1A or bust.

From the Spartan Message board, some of our more informed fans made a good case that THIS IS FAR FROM OVER.

Apparently, it was just a vote to limit Athletic funding to 2% from 3.8%. The challenge is to make up funds and the Spartan Army and Coach Hill should be capable of.

I suppose I can understand the faculty's situation.
1. Rising student fees.
2. Some departments who can't raise funds have to cut classes and limit the number of instructors.
3. Job security to those that are not tenured.

Those are understandable real world reasons why 2 out of 3 voted to limit athletic funding.

Yesterday was just one big blow. The Spartan Army and those active members at Spartan Thunder gave up so much blood, sweat and tears to keep our football program. Now, it looks like even the faculty could care less.

I doubt Spartan Football will drop to 1-AA, most loyal boosters pledged not to contribute if that happens. It is 1A or bust. [/quote]
I am not familiar with SJSUs power structure, but I have never been on a campus where the faculty did not resent the athletic department budget and spending. I can understand their viewpoint with the disparity between salaries, equipment and facility spending. On the other hand the faculty’s usual view is that they would be spending the money if the athletic department were gone. They seem to forget that the school's funding would be cut accordingly and there would be no more money from boosters.
I hope for Spartans and the WACs sake that this goes away.

Faculty members are like hyenas. They trail along behind athletics keeping a safe distance but as soon as they sense weakness they attack.

If you were interested you could go to the microfilm of the Jonesboro Sun and find where the ASU Faculty Senate adopted a resolution in support of the Indians in the I-AA title game (lot of good that did, that piece of paper was worthless against Tracey Ham). The faculty member shown in the article who introduced it was the same one who has railed against the spending on athletics since moving to I-A. It's been a constant barrage broken only in 1995 (6-5) and when the basketball team made the NCAA tournament. For the most part the Sun doesn't waste too much ink on it. I suppose faculty opposed to athletics is about as big of news as a dog biting a man.

arkstfan Wrote:Faculty members are like hyenas. They trail along behind athletics keeping a safe distance but as soon as they sense weakness they attack.

If you were interested you could go to the microfilm of the Jonesboro Sun and find where the ASU Faculty Senate adopted a resolution in support of the Indians in the I-AA title game (lot of good that did, that piece of paper was worthless against Tracey Ham). The faculty member shown in the article who introduced it was the same one who has railed against the spending on athletics since moving to I-A. It's been a constant barrage broken only in 1995 (6-5) and when the basketball team made the NCAA tournament. For the most part the Sun doesn't waste too much ink on it. I suppose faculty opposed to athletics is about as big of news as a dog biting a man.

Or as big a story as man who was "alledgedly" attacked by a dog!

Wow. I'm glad I went to TU. The vast majority of the professors there enjoy TU athletics. Most have season tickets to at least one athletic event (available at half price to faculty and staff). In my years as an athlete at TU, I never had a professor give me a hard time about missing class for a contest. For that matter, they went out of their way to help me make stuff up-- worked around my schedule for making up tests and reexplaining the things I missed. I'm sure there is some hostility out there (Dr. Donaldson), I am pretty sure that the Faculty couldn't get enough votes to even suggest anything.

However, I could see why it could be a problem-- especially at a public school. Universities (and Colleges) main purpose is still to educate. A smart faculty will see the benefit of athletics to that mission. The rest will just see it as drawing money away from academia.