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RE: Big East attendance
I'm going to take the attendance in a different direction.

Going into the New Big East, the two things most thought would be crucial to the Big East's perception as a BCS football conference by the media were regular season attendance and bowl-traveling fans.

We need a lot of work on the latter still, but the attendance concerns I feel are being addressed. Of course, it's all relative. For the Big East, SEC type crowds are NOT the expectation. However, 35K and above should be.

With Pitt and Syracuse, they simply need competitive teams and decent competition and they will return to their usual 40K plus (sometimes 50K plus with Pitt when they get a good ND at home and are competitive).

Both Rutgers and Louisville are talking expansion. Hopefully the speed bumps both programs are experiencing this year doesn't slow that down.

Going into the New Big East the question marks were UConn, USF and especially Cincinnati.

I always felt that UConn would hold their own. They get plenty of support within the state, so as long as they continued to show improvement, they would be fine.

I'm a little surprised by their slight dropoff in attendance this year even though they are 5-0. Have to think that they will need to schedule better in order to continue to get close to max and have any hope of expanding in the future. Still, it's UConn. Somehow, they'll get the job done.

Tampa is like Miami and most northeastern cities. As long as the Bulls win, they will be more than fine. However, if they have a mediocre season, they still need to average 35K. It's too early to say whether this will happen or not. But for now, with them winning, they are exceeding expectations.

So, the real attendance question mark remains Cincinnati, which is handicapped somewhat by a stadium that is maxed at 35K (a figure I think should be the minimum standard for the Big East in terms of football).

I think the combination of Kelly and winning is addressing the concerns here and perhaps getting one marquee game at Paul Brown stadium each year will address the small size of the stadium until they can expand in the future.

So, in terms of attendance, three years into the NBE, I think the league is more than holding its own.

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10-09-2007 05:28 PM
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I agree, Neil. We are exceeding everyone's expectations. Winning football solves everything in the long term.
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RE: Big East attendance
omnicarrier Wrote:I'm going to take the attendance in a different direction...

So, in terms of attendance, three years into the NBE, I think the league is more than holding its own.

In 2002, BE average attendance was 43,000. Last year it was 39,000.
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RE: Big East attendance
Funny you are comparing to BEFORE the split
2004- 37,805
2005- 39,400
2006- 39,043
2007- 40,768 so far.

So yes Big East is getting better. Now why dont you go and calculate how much better CUSA attendance is since UL,UC and USF left.
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RE: Big East attendance
Cubanbull Wrote:Funny you are comparing to BEFORE the split
2004- 37,805
2005- 39,400
2006- 39,043
2007- 40,768 so far.

So yes Big East is getting better. Now why dont you go and calculate how much better CUSA attendance is since UL,UC and USF left.

what's wrong with comparing before/after the BE lost Miami, VT, BC and picked up UC, UL, and USF?
10-10-2007 07:12 AM
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I'm still not sure where attendance decides the best conferences. Last I checked, the BE was holding its own in every poll out there, and is rated as the 3rd best conference by sagarin. I don't think there is any debate on whether the BE deserves to have a BCS auto-bid or not.
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RE: Big East attendance
Wow I'm kind of shocked that UC returned tickets to USF. We requested our tickets 4 weeks ago and they still are not delivered. I was told by our ticket office that the requests were on the back burner due to the heavy influx and demand for home games. In other words they were having a hard time keeping up with processing. I just hope my tickets did not get sent back to USF. That would be a bummer considering travel and lodging arrangements were made six months ago. Also I thought that tickets were not returned until the week of the game by league policy? If you have the sources of this information, I would really appreciate the link.

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RE: Big East attendance
golden child Wrote:
omnicarrier Wrote:I'm going to take the attendance in a different direction...

So, in terms of attendance, three years into the NBE, I think the league is more than holding its own.

In 2002, BE average attendance was 43,000. Last year it was 39,000.

So, if by the end of the year, the league average is between 42-43K, you'll have no problem with the BE's attendance figures?

The original post was ludicrous from the start because it tried to place SEC expectations on Big East schools.

This post is more drivel because it basically takes a high-end Miami with VT and West Virginia that carried the dregs of the Big East in attendance that year (Temple and Rutgers) to the 43K.

What is happening now in the Big East is that all of its members are contributing to healthy attendance figures. And it will only continue to rise as Cincinnati begins to develop a following.

Now run along troll!

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10-10-2007 06:21 PM
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mlb Wrote:I'm still not sure where attendance decides the best conferences. Last I checked, the BE was holding its own in every poll out there, and is rated as the 3rd best conference by sagarin. I don't think there is any debate on whether the BE deserves to have a BCS auto-bid or not.

While it doesn't have an impact on the auto-BCS bid, rightly or wrongly attendance at home games and bowl traveling fans do have an impact on the perception of the league overall.

And sometimes perception is more important than reality. Just ask the ACC. It's the reason they got a $40 million a year football TV contract while our league struggles once again with a $10 million deal, to be raised to close to $15 million next year.

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I think by the time it becomes of any kind of issue for any conference it will be a moot point. The BCS system won't last.
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RE: Big East attendance
UC's home games are sell outs for the remainder of the season so our average attendance when it's all said and done will be much higher than is listed right now...

and as somebody said, seson tix for next year are selling like hot cakes....they are looking at how to expand Nippert and add new press box and luxury seats..

Don't worry Goldenrod...UC will be just fine with our BC$ conference and money....more than can be said for you in the near future...
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RE: Big East attendance
golden child Wrote:Pretty sad. The highest school is WVU, at #30, and their attendance is behind that of *9* SEC teams.

Cincinnatti draws a paltry 26k a game. That's less than USM and Tulane!

This is NOT big time college football:

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/atte...NDANCE.pdf

one time only: keep the smack off the main bigeast board.
10-12-2007 11:48 AM
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RE: Big East attendance
You're reading the charts wrong. Look under capacity.
#30 WVU is at 100 percent capacity. They couldn't seat more people if they wanted to.
#50 Rutgers is at 103 percent capacity. People are standing up.
#55 Lousiville is at 98 percent capacity.

That means their stadiums can't hold more people golden troll.
Each of these BE teams actually have 100 percent fan support while #9 southern cal only has 95 percent fan support based on capacity. Southern cal simply has a much bigger arena, probably seats 90,000.

by contrast #58 Miami is at 53 percent capacity. Plenty of empty seats there. There are no empty seats in the BE's top arenas.

The problem is that the SEC has arenas that seat more people than BE arenas. But fan support at these three schools is at 100 percent of what it could be. Check the chart again:

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/atte...NDANCE.pdf
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