Free speech does not mean you can shout down other people's free speech. I believe (I don't have the references) that has held up in court. So this guy is not some angel. He brought on the police by disrupting the event. The fact that they had to wrestle with him for so long is evidence enough that he was resisting doing what the police were trying to get him to do.

The taser in my remote opinion was probably not needed. They had the guy pinned on the ground. At that point he was not a threat. I've never tried to cuff an individual that was resisting, but I'd be shocked if this guy could have put up a fight much longer against the number of cops who were attending to him.

Pick him up and take him from the premises. Then you get him off his stage and you try to calm him down. As long as he's in front of all those people he has his ego to uphold.

its the "you can't scream Fire in a crowded theater" analogy(unless there is a fire of course), Freedom has boundaries when it brushes up against other's freedoms, which is what defines Liberty.

agree from the video camera's point of view, Taser was un-called for and might not be legal in Florida law?

bleed blue and gold Wrote:I am a diehard conservative/Republican, but i agree with OUGwave here. this kind of behavior is unacceptable, especially toward officers of the law. you should never resist arrest whether you are guilty or not.

there are more laws to protect criminals these days than there are to protect citizens.

I agree. I think any of these jackasses regardless of political affiliation should be arrested for disturbing the peace. Show some class and common courtesy for the speaker. I thought the same thing for the liberals who disrespected McCain at their graduation. They may not have agreed with the man, but someone at the university (the university they chose to go to) asked McCain to speak. STFU and let the man speak. I don't understand what it is today and why everyone has to make a name for themselves or disrupt what is going on. It may be their "right", but it still is low budget in my view.

bleed blue and gold Wrote:you should never resist arrest whether you are guilty or not.

Quote:Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States

http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/defunlaw.htm

Thank you.

faet Wrote:

bleed blue and gold Wrote:you should never resist arrest whether you are guilty or not.

Quote:Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States

http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/defunlaw.htm

And if the court finds the arrest was lawful, your ass is going to jail for a LONNGGG time. Or getting executed.

This was a lawful arrest.

OUGwave Wrote:This was a lawful arrest.

It depends on where you say the 'arrest started'.

You see it, when he fights being escorted out.

Others, when he starts to get forcefully 'escorted'.

IMO, they should of cut the mic, had a staff member (not cop) ask him to leave (after mic gets cut, he seems to turn, as if he is heading to sit or leave). He could of then started yelling, "blah blah censor". Then the staff member say, Sir please calm down, you had your chance to ask a question, either listen up or leave, or you will be escorted out for causing a disturbance. Then proceed with force of getting him out.

From his pov, he was trying to ask his stupid question to put kerry in a bind. And the cop kept trying to interupt him. Then he was grabbed by 2 officers, w/o explenation, and dragged out.

You can say "you dont know if he was armed". But I'm sure any event that has a person of kerry's stature present, there will be either, metal detectors and/or a pre-event search. And even if he had a knife strapped to his leg, it would be a little hard to grab it with his arms in the air. But he was probably in there, with his soft-cover book, wallet, and keys.

regardless, the situation was handled poorly.

OUGwave Wrote:And if the court finds the arrest was lawful, your ass is going to jail for a LONNGGG time. Or getting executed.

Yes, the trouble with defending yourself against an unlawful arrest in which you have to use deadly force. You will be labled a cop killer by the media, even if you are innocent and the use was justified. Anytime you interact with cops of that, they will not treat you fairly.

Even though we have "innocent before proven guilty". It is hardly the case. Especialy in touchy crimes. Killing, rape, ect. and even after proven innocent, you cannot go back to your life so easily.


edit:
The charge he recieved:

Quote: Under federal law, a riot is a public disturbance involving an act of violence by one or more persons who are assembled in a group of at least three people. The act of violence must be one that presents a clear and present danger of injury to another person or damage to another person\\\'s property. Threatening to commit a violent act in such a group situation that could injure another person or damage property is also considered a riot if one of the persons in the group has the ability at the time to carry out the threatened violence.

Inciting a riot applies to a person who organizes, encourages, or participates in a riot. It can apply to one who urges or instigates others to riot. It does not apply to someone who merely advocates ideas or expresses beliefs, if those ideas and beliefs do not involve advocating violence.

The federal crime of inciting a riot carries a possible penalty of up to five years in prison a fine.

State and local governments also have laws that make it a crime to incite a riot. The penalties range from fines only to jail time. It is important that the law, even if only a municipal ordinance, specify the conduct that that is prohibited with sufficient definiteness that ordinary people can understand what conduct is prohibited.

Quote:This was a lawful arrest.

Ok, so you think he was in fact inciting a riot, and it was ok to arrest him. Because you cant just arrest someone without reason, and when they resist get them for resisting.


Edit. Read the definition of inciting a riot above and tell me this is what he did.

here's a shocker, "Don't Tase me bro", appears to be a 9/11 Troofer and Ron Paul supporter........or not that shocking:

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/200...oofer.html



http://ronpaul.meetup.com/80/?gj=sj2

Quote:"One of members, Andrew Meyer, was tasered and arrested today (Monday) at a speaking event by John Kerry for asking him a question! He is currently being held in jail. There will be a protest in support..."

Did you see this guys website? The Andrew Meyer? Gee, good thing he cleared that up, I might have just confused him for just some regular old Andrew Meyer. Taking cues from Ohio State University does not lend you credibility.

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

edit.(that hes a ron paul supporter)

I wonder if anyone has registered: donttasemebro.com yet?

GGniner Wrote:I wonder if anyone has registered: donttasemebro.com yet?

http://www.donttasemebro.com/

Yep, and they made it a redirect.

wish I had thought of that sooner, probably could've sold it to some paranoid website

ETSUfan1 Wrote:What the hell does that have to do with anything?

edit.(that hes a ron paul supporter)

just that an unhinged lunatic, who thinks 9/11 was an inside job pulled this stunt and happens to be part of the rp disciples....because he has pandered to the lowest common denominator in american politics and is awarded with supporters like this......see other threads.

GGniner Wrote:

ETSUfan1 Wrote:What the hell does that have to do with anything?

edit.(that hes a ron paul supporter)

just that an unhinged lunatic, who thinks 9/11 was an inside job pulled this stunt and happens to be part of the rp disciples....because he has pandered to the lowest common denominator in american politics and is awarded with supporters like this......see other threads.

I still dont see how he broke the law but whatever...

The person Im most pissed about and now have NO respect for is Kerry...What a load us usless crap he is...
He stood there the whole time and mumbled like a moron while the whole thing went on...He should have stopped the cops and answered the kids questions like a man instead of being a pansy and hiding behind the cops...Thank God that turd isnt president!!

This douche put to Monty Python.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNLQY3bQyaM

I try to link you tube with the new reply button and it never works for some reason.

edit: I fixed it for you...

TomorrowHerd Wrote:I try to link you tube with the new reply button and it never works for some reason.

Don't put the entire Youtube link in between the tags. Just the code. In this case, eNLQY3bQyaM.