bearcatfan Wrote:Auburn ahead of USF after losing to them on their home field?

I don't get it.

That makes no sense at all.

Especially considering that the Bulls really should have won that game outright - without the need to go into OT.

What kept Auburn in the game were silly penalties by the Bulls and USF trying to be too much like their idols the Seminoles - atrocious FG kicking.

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Neil

mattsarz Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:

SF Husky Wrote:Why is Miami getting votes? They got killed. Troy ran up score against FLA but they went up but UL dropped? WTF? These votes are totally out of the line. Those ACC coaches need to get their votes revoked.

And how is Wyoming ahead of UC!?

Wyoming also beat a BCS school handily at home (Virginia) and beat another I-A school, Utah St. Not really different than UC.

Oregon State - Last year and this year: 11-5, Sun Bowl, Top 25 ranking last year, #31 ranking this year (prior to the UC game). Considered Pac-10 contenders this year coming off knocking off then-#3 USC. UC game is nationally televised, and nationally respected.

Virginia - Last year and this year: 6-8, middle to bottom of ACC, 1-4 OOC, contender to nothing, gets very little national exposure or respect.

Saying the Oregon State win is similar to the Virginia win is like saying beating Arkansas is similar to beating Vanderbilt.

Unfortunately, Oregon St. was 9-4 last year. 2006. We're talking about this year where Oregon St. couldn't decide on a QB and were giving up yards like crazy while Utah still had its starting QB and RB in the opener (QB is out a couple weeks, RB is out for season).

Oregon St. and Virginia are similar, in that both could really suck this year. I'm not crapping on Cincy's win. Its a big win. I'm not sure that Wyoming couldn't have done the same at home, nor that you wouldn't have done the same to Virginia.

Notre Dame was a BCS team last year and so was Michigan. How much is a victory over either worth today?

As far as the Receiving Votes portion of the poll, Texas Tech has too many votes, Arizona St. not enough. I think that's due to folks not waiting up until close to 2am to see Arizona St. beat Colorado by 19.

frogman Wrote:

mattsarz Wrote:

frogman Wrote:There are far too many ACC schools that vote. I believe Duke football gets one preseason vote each year. How foolish is that?

Its an SEC coach that does that: Steve Spurrier.

My second guess would be that friends look out for friends and the southern rivals are friends on a personal level. But why would Spurrier waste a vote showing loyalty to the worse football school on the planet? It cheapens the whole process when he makes it personal.

I believe Steve Spurrier's first Division I head coaching job was at Duke. He is also the only coach to make the Blue Devils respectable in something like the last half-century. That is why he always votes Duke #25 in his preseason poll. At least he always drops them as soon as they lose which, of course, is often in the first game of the year.

as much as i don't like USF... that is just dumb. I don't know if they should be ranked yet... but they should be in front of auburn.

frogman Wrote:There are far too many ACC schools that vote. I believe Duke football gets one preseason vote each year. How foolish is that?

Steve Spurrier votes for Duke every year to "protest" how silly preseason polls are. He votes in the coaches poll.

Unfortunately, Oregon St. was 9-4 last year. 2006. We're talking about this year where Oregon St. couldn't decide on a QB and were giving up yards like crazy while Utah still had its starting QB and RB in the opener (QB is out a couple weeks, RB is out for season).

Unfortunately you're wrong, Oregon State went 10-4 last year. 2006 http://oregonstate.rivals.com/schedule.a...year=2006. And we're talking about this year, Oregon State returns a lot of players from last year's team. This is from the Oregon State website:

When the team returns to the field in April it will be back to business for a club that returns 61 lettermen and 17 starters as it aims for the program’s fifth bowl game in six years.

And where are these "crazy yards" you claim Utah was piling up, because they only scored 7 points. If you use the excuse that they were injured early then how do you know they were piling up crazy yards, because it would have to be insane yardage. And if they got hurt later in the game they should have been able to put up more then 7 points. The QB was on pace to throw for 235 yards, hardling piling up the yards like crazy. He left at the half. Virginia is a crappy team. Oregon State would wipe the floor with them.

Oregon St. and Virginia are similar, in that both could really suck this year. I'm not crapping on Cincy's win. Its a big win. I'm not sure that Wyoming couldn't have done the same at home, nor that you wouldn't have done the same to Virginia.

Oregon State has a bowl quality team this year, as evident of their dismantling of Utah. Virginai flats out sucks and has sucked for the last few years. No disrespect matt, but anybody who thinks that Virginia is as good as Oregon State doesn't know anything about football. Let me help you out though, UC WOULD have dismantled Virginia at home. This the same UC team that destroyed USF, Rutgers and Oregon State at home 3 of the last 4 home games. All three teams are bowl teams and Top 25 caliber teams (with Rutgers and Oregon State finishing the season ranked and USF finishing with 9 wins and a road win against a Top 10 team). Meanwhile, as I have informed you, Virginia is 1-4 OOC including getting dismantled by non-BCS teams ECU and Wyoming. Virginia has been terrible for years, they have a proven track record of that. So, in conclusion, you're completely wrong. Virginia is a crappy team and not that big a deal when it comes to quality, Oregon State is a big deal and a quality win.

Notre Dame was a BCS team last year and so was Michigan. How much is a victory over either worth today?

I don't know, were they receiving Top 25 votes? I believe they were so Oregon and Penn State got a big boost from them. I would say that both of those teams are better then Virginia. Would you consider a victory over those schools equal to beating a crappy Virginia squad?

[b]As far as the Receiving Votes portion of the poll, Texas Tech has too many votes, Arizona St. not enough. I think that's due to folks not waiting up until close to 2am to see Arizona St. beat Colorado by 19.

mattsarz Wrote:Unfortunately, Oregon St. was 9-4 last year. 2006.

EL PASO, Texas -- Coach Mike Riley's gamble capped off a thrilling comeback.

Yvenson Bernard rushed for the two-point conversion after tight end Joe Newton caught a 14-yard touchdown pass with just 22 seconds left in the fourth quarter to lift 24th-ranked Oregon State to a 39-38 victory over Missouri in the second-highest scoring game in the 73-year history of the Sun Bowl.

Riley could have played it safe and gone for the game-tying extra point after the Beavers (10-4) rallied from a 38-24 fourth-quarter deficit. Instead, with some prodding from Bernard, Riley decided to go for the win.

"It (the decision to go for two) was done with some encouragement from Bernard," Riley admitted. "Like in a card game, we were all in. We put all our chips on the table."

Actually, Riley's decision was to go for the extra point, but that was before Missouri coach Gary Pinkel called a timeout to freeze kicker Alexis Serna.

Then Riley was persuaded to make the gutsy call and didn't reach into the playbook for anything fancy. On a simple running play which relied on the surge of the offensive linemen, Bernard took the handoff from Matt Moore and followed his blockers up the middle and barely lunged across the goal line.

"Yeh I wanted to go for it," Bernard said. "I definitely wanted to do it."

Bernard, who finished with 97 yards on 23 carries, started the comeback with a seven-yard touchdown catch with 6:02 left in the fourth quarter, pulling Oregon State within 38-31.

Moore passed for 356 yards and four touchdowns and rushed for another score for the Beavers, who have won three straight bowl games under Riley.

"It was a real special season for us to get to 10 wins," Moore said.

On the winning drive, Moore completed 5-of-7 passes for 55 yards after Sammie Stroughter returned a punt 38 yards.

Tony Temple rushed for a career-high 194 yards and two touchdowns and Chase Daniel passed for 330 yards and two scores for Missouri (8-5).

"I had a feeling they were going to go or two," Daniel said. "It's bowl season, so what do you have to lose?"

The teams combined for 1,018 yards - 561 for the Tigers and 457 for Oregon State.

Fans were calling for Riley to be fired after the Beavers got off to a 2-3 start. But they stunned Southern California, 33-31, to end the Trojans' 27-game Pac-10 winning streak and closed the season with eight wins in their last nine games. The last three victories came by a combined total of six points.

"This really was a typical Beaver game," Riley said. "We showed our resiliency at the end and pulled out a close one. We had close wins in our games against Oregon (30-28) and Hawaii (35-32) and we did it again today with a great comeback."

Each team scored on its first possession. Missouri went 80 yards in 10 plays, capped by a seven-yard scoring run by Temple 3:30 into the game.

Oregon State responded with a 13-play, 80-yard drive which ended with Stroughter making a leaping 13-yard catch in the end zone with 7:07 left in the first quarter.

The Beavers took a 14-7 lead on a one-yard run by Moore with 38 seconds remaining in the first quarter.

Jeff Wolfert kicked a 30-yard field goal 3:39 into the second quarter and Daniel connected with freshman Danario Alexander on a 74-yard scoring play with 8:43 left in the quarter to give Missouri a 17-14 lead.

"We did a lot of good things but we just let it get away in the end," Pinkel said.

Pinkel gambled with an onside kick to start the second half, but Oregon State recovered. Four plays later, Moore hit Newton with an 11-yard touchdown 1:34 into the third quarter to put the Beavers ahead, 21-17.

Pinkel called for a gadget play and it worked when tight end Chase Coffman caught a lateral from Daniel and then lofted a 29-yard touchdown pass to Tommie Saunders with 11:14 left in the third quarter.

A 65-yard scoring run by Temple increased the Tigers' lead to 31-21 with 5:58 remaining in the third quarter.

Serna kicked a 29-yard field goal 1:54 into the third quarter, but just 58 seconds later Daniel hit Coffman with an 18-yard touchdown pass to make it 38-24.

Now why is that relevant to 2007? Because they brought a bunch of players back from that team including a star running back.