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"When the cable company decides to send 70 channels - the food channel, and the dog channel and the bike channel and the jewelry channel - into your home, (we believe) that the Big Ten Network deserves to be in that grouping," Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany said. "Everything else is pretty negotiable."

the big ten commissioner sounds like 5 year old throwing a tantrum, i think they grossly overestimate the value of their product. i have confidence the cable companies will stand pat, they know the snowball effect that will happen if the big ten gets what they want.

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08-12-2007 02:28 PM
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USFMike Wrote:"When the cable company decides to send 70 channels - the food channel, and the dog channel and the bike channel and the jewelry channel - into your home, (we believe) that the Big Ten Network deserves to be in that grouping," Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany said. "Everything else is pretty negotiable."

the big ten commissioner sounds like 5 year old throwing a tantrum, i think they grossly overestimate the value of their product. i have confidence the cable companies will stand pat, they know the snowball effect that will happen if the big ten gets what they want.

BTN in jeopardy

Again, I happen to agree with Delany on this issue. But I'm not heartbroken that the BTN is having trouble launching. 03-wink

It hopefully will give the BEast more time to develop.

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08-12-2007 04:15 PM
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RE: Would SU/Rutgers be making a mistake by joining Big Televen?
omnicarrier Wrote:
USFMike Wrote:"When the cable company decides to send 70 channels - the food channel, and the dog channel and the bike channel and the jewelry channel - into your home, (we believe) that the Big Ten Network deserves to be in that grouping," Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany said. "Everything else is pretty negotiable."

the big ten commissioner sounds like 5 year old throwing a tantrum, i think they grossly overestimate the value of their product. i have confidence the cable companies will stand pat, they know the snowball effect that will happen if the big ten gets what they want.

BTN in jeopardy

Again, I happen to agree with Delany on this issue. But I'm not heartbroken that the BTN is having trouble launching. 03-wink

It hopefully will give the BEast more time to develop.

Cheers,
Neil

-- Actually there is precident to the cable companies stance. The NFL Network, the future MLB network, ESPNU, CSTV etc are specialty channels. The cold truth is more people want to watch the some chef on the food channel then a OSU/Minnesota women's volley ball game (which is what a lot of the BTN programming will be)

It will be interesting to see what if the Big 10 can be pursuaded to give its new network some big games. To me, that is thid idea's number one flaw is, its showing games no one wants to watch

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08-12-2007 04:22 PM
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I'm surprised that any channels are in any basic lineup offerring. They have charges and fees for everything. I'm surprised they don't charge you for the cable hookup, and then pile on more charges to be able to see any channels.

That does seem to be the way the world is heading.
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omnicarrier Wrote:
USFMike Wrote:"When the cable company decides to send 70 channels - the food channel, and the dog channel and the bike channel and the jewelry channel - into your home, (we believe) that the Big Ten Network deserves to be in that grouping," Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany said. "Everything else is pretty negotiable."

the big ten commissioner sounds like 5 year old throwing a tantrum, i think they grossly overestimate the value of their product. i have confidence the cable companies will stand pat, they know the snowball effect that will happen if the big ten gets what they want.

BTN in jeopardy

Again, I happen to agree with Delany on this issue. But I'm not heartbroken that the BTN is having trouble launching. 03-wink

It hopefully will give the BEast more time to develop.

Cheers,
Neil

-- Actually there is precident to the cable companies stance. The NFL Network, the future MLB network, ESPNU, CSTV etc are specialty channels. The cold truth is more people want to watch the some chef on the food channel then a OSU/Minnesota women's volley ball game (which is what a lot of the BTN programming will be)

It will be interesting to see what if the Big 10 can be pursuaded to give its new network some big games. To me, that is thid idea's number one flaw is, its showing games no one wants to watch

Jackson

agreed, i thought it was a very naive statement, only a relatively small sect of people will really care about this network and a majority of those same people only care about football. just find it odd that they're banking on their fans to put pressure on the cable companies to watch their football games, however aren't they basically paying for something they normally see on regular tv for free? plus how does it work if there are multiple games on at the same time? i imagine a minnesota fan wouldn't be too happy if their game was preempted by northwestern/michigan etc.
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RE: Would SU/Rutgers be making a mistake by joining Big Televen?
Well, i think if the big 10 does make a move for an big east team it will be either syracuse or rutgers and either would accept. My gut say's it would be syracuse although rutgers seems like a better fit. However, syracuse has the brand name and the midwest culture + throw in hoops...can already see the big 10 press release going off about syracuse leading bball attendance. Thus, the big 10 move to 12 would have picked off the leading eastern football school, penn state and the PA market and the leading eastern bball school and part of the ny market with syracuse. My guess would be the big east would invite memphis. Yet, if uconn and rutgers evolve into football powers you would think the ACC might eventually try to snap them up and that could get real messy and result in this league:

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Let's go after Southern Mississippi and TCU while we're at it. You might as well cover as many teams as possible. 01-wingedeagle
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Jackson1011 Wrote:
omnicarrier Wrote:
USFMike Wrote:"When the cable company decides to send 70 channels - the food channel, and the dog channel and the bike channel and the jewelry channel - into your home, (we believe) that the Big Ten Network deserves to be in that grouping," Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany said. "Everything else is pretty negotiable."

the big ten commissioner sounds like 5 year old throwing a tantrum, i think they grossly overestimate the value of their product. i have confidence the cable companies will stand pat, they know the snowball effect that will happen if the big ten gets what they want.

BTN in jeopardy

Again, I happen to agree with Delany on this issue. But I'm not heartbroken that the BTN is having trouble launching. 03-wink

It hopefully will give the BEast more time to develop.

Cheers,
Neil

-- Actually there is precident to the cable companies stance. The NFL Network, the future MLB network, ESPNU, CSTV etc are specialty channels. The cold truth is more people want to watch the some chef on the food channel then a OSU/Minnesota women's volley ball game (which is what a lot of the BTN programming will be)

It will be interesting to see what if the Big 10 can be pursuaded to give its new network some big games. To me, that is thid idea's number one flaw is, its showing games no one wants to watch

Jackson

And for me, that's the simplistic view. There are plenty of fine Big Ten football games that did not make ABC/ESPN/ESPN2 last year. I know. I watched some of them on GamePlan.

And while I consider watching Big Ten basketball this country's version of Chinese water torture, I know that there were plenty of great Big East basketball games that I could only get to watch because of Full Court.

By the way, NFL Network, ESPNU, and a few of those other stations are (or soon will be) off the sports tier for some areas mainly because fans pressured for it.

Somehow I don't think if the Food Channel left basic cable there'd be pressure to put it back on basic. But, that's just how I see it.

The main stumbling block for CSTV was actual national content. Let's face it, they don't have the quality 'name-brand' conferences. The main stumbling block for ESPNU has been that subscribers are already paying an arm and a leg for the other ESPN channels, which is filled up with a lot of crap these days. But still, some cable companies in some areas have capitulated in its second year and it will be on basic cable in some areas.

The main problems with the NFL Network is price and that the product is only available for one day a week for four months out of the year.

As for the channels like Jewelry TV and Food Channel, the reason why they are on is solely because of price - usually between $.10 and $.20 per month. If the BTN was willing to settle for twenty cents a month, perhaps they probably wouldn't be facing this much resistance?

On the other hand, the cable companies might still have resisted because 6 conferences at twenty cents a month would be just under $15 a year annually per subscriber. And that would still total over $1 billion annually in additional fees for subscribers.

In the end, I truly believe the BTN will prove to be a success and that within a decade or two all of a conference's games will only be available through such networks. It basically cuts out the middle man (ESPN) while increasing revenue on an annual basis (since TV households with digital subscriptions increase every year), rather than have the major conferences have to go groveling to a middle man (ESPN) that doesn't treat their product with the respect it deserves.

Cheers,
Neil
08-12-2007 05:12 PM
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