Thanks go to DexterEagle from the MAC board, just wanted to repost it here:

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What this could mean to us...

1. There will be no moving of schools up to Division I or between SUBDIVISIONS of Division I, meaning there will be no FCS/I-AA moveups starting until 2011. So forget about UMass or Villanova joining anytime soon.

2. It sounds as though they want to review Division I as a whole...not only the moving up of schools, but also "standards for Division I institutional and conference membership". Could be interesting to see what they come up with.

it's unlikely that any current 1-AA would be prepared enough for BE consideration prior to 2011 anyway.

And the move exempts schools that have already begun to officially study the issue:

"The moratorium, which is effective immediately, does not affect 20 institutions that already have entered the seven-year Division I provisional-membership process for new NCAA members or the five-year process to move from Division II -- including institutions that currently are officially exploring Division I membership."

Hasn't UMASS formed an exploratory group of some sort already? If so, it appears they wouldn't be impacted by this rule if I'm reading it correctly.

If the exact wording of that one clause is from the rule, then they would not be effected by the rule.

Re-evaluating the standards for membership for 1-A? Shocked. Shocked, I say!

I wouldn't be surprised if the NCAA looks at conference standardization as part of this. Why look at individual school membership in D-1 conferences without taking a look at the conferences as well. Changes could be on the way in everything from conference size to football independence. Could the NCAA mandate that all D-1 conferences must have 12 members and all D-1 schools must be members of these conferences. It seems like a natural progession.
CJ

CardinalJim Wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if the NCAA looks at conference standardization as part of this. Why look at individual school membership in D-1 conferences without taking a look at the conferences as well. Changes could be on the way in everything from conference size to football independence. Could the NCAA mandate that all D-1 conferences must have 12 members and all D-1 schools must be members of these conferences. It seems like a natural progession.
CJ

My guess is that this leads to a culling of D1 programs. They are halting the mass immigration to D1 for a purpose and my guess is that it is to protect the programs that are viable from having to tow the programs that aren't in standardized distributions. Doesn't the BCS pay out some ammount to every D1 conference regardless of how irrelevant they are? Programs that are consistently horrible and draw flies shouldn't be on that train for the good of the system and really the good of their university. Programs that are upside down have no business playing at this level. The Dukes and Temples among others should be watching this closely.

I doubt they will try and cull 1-A programs... that's asking for trouble and lawsuits. I would imagine they are going to attempt to raise the standards for new programs going to 1-A, but existing 1-a programs probably have nothing to worry about.

But - while we are on this topic - I thought that there was no difference between 1-A and 1-AA anymore, isn't that what someone has been preaching on these forums? If that's the case, why the moratorium on movement between subdivisions? Where is TopBoob anyway?

Not neccessesarily, crazed. The NCAA, thus far, has stood outside many legal statutes due to the fact that it is merely a college sports regulating body. I think as long as they don't make some totally stupid ruling, they will be safe by defining what constitutes a major college sports program. As long as the guidelines are clear, and the standards are not out of proportion, any ruling should be safe from legal action.

In other words, some Division 1 programs might not be so safe as you think. Most programs should be safe. But I doubt that all will be safe in this regard.

There should still be the ability to move from one division to another, whether it be up or down, as standards, or school's emphasis/population, change over time. But I have no real problem with a definition for Division 1 football that weeds out those unable to compete on a level playing field. It makes more sense than not doing so.

L-yes Wrote:Programs that are consistently horrible and draw flies shouldn't be on that train for the good of the system and really the good of their university. Programs that are upside down have no business playing at this level. The Dukes and Temples among others should be watching this closely.

Duke isn't going anywhere and we all know that.

Things are cyclical. For those that remember, Kansas State and Oregon State used to make Duke look like a front runner over their many years of futility, and TCU spent most of the 70's and 80's hoping to avoid 10-loss seasons.

Bottom line, if Wake Forest can go to the Orange Bowl, Duke can turn things around.

DFW HOYA Wrote:Duke isn't going anywhere and we all know that.

The only time Duke went anywhere, Spurrier was coaching 'em.

bitcruncher Wrote:The only time Duke went anywhere, Spurrier was coaching 'em.

Duke played in the 1995 Hall of Fame Bowl vs. Wisconsin under Fred Goldsmith, but that was really the last stand.

Since then:

1996 0-11
1997 2-9
1998 4-7
1999 3-8
2000 0-11
2001 0-11
2002 2-10
2003 4-8
2004 2-9
2005 1-10
2006 0-12
Total 18-106

I forgot about that bowl. But it doesn't matter. It wasn't a memorable game.

wvucrazed Wrote:And the move exempts schools that have already begun to officially study the issue:

"The moratorium, which is effective immediately, does not affect 20 institutions that already have entered the seven-year Division I provisional-membership process for new NCAA members or the five-year process to move from Division II -- including institutions that currently are officially exploring Division I membership."

Hasn't UMASS formed an exploratory group of some sort already? If so, it appears they wouldn't be impacted by this rule if I'm reading it correctly.

UMASS is only informally exploring the IA level. "Officially exploring" means paperwork has been filed with the NCAA's office. Western Kentucky will be the only school allowed to continue with the FBS upgrade.

The 20 schools moving to DI that the NCAA was referring to are in various stages of a DI transition (having submitted the official paperwork, financial deposits, and periodic audits), are given below:

DI Exploratory year 2007-8 (they still have the option to back out without penalty after one year)
SIU-Edwardsville
North Dakota
South Dakota
Seattle
Houston Baptist
Bryant
New Haven

4 more years:
Florida Gulf Coast
South Carolina- Upstate
NC Central
Presbyterian

3 more years:
Cal State-Bakersfield
Central Arkansas
Winston-Salem St

Two more years:
Kennesaw St
N Florida
Utah Valley
NJIT

One more year:
North Dakota State
South Dakota State

Granted active DI membership this summer:
UC-Davis
Northern Colorado
Longwood (Va)

DFW HOYA Wrote:

L-yes Wrote:Programs that are consistently horrible and draw flies shouldn't be on that train for the good of the system and really the good of their university. Programs that are upside down have no business playing at this level. The Dukes and Temples among others should be watching this closely.

Duke isn't going anywhere and we all know that.

Things are cyclical. For those that remember, Kansas State and Oregon State used to make Duke look like a front runner over their many years of futility, and TCU spent most of the 70's and 80's hoping to avoid 10-loss seasons.

Bottom line, if Wake Forest can go to the Orange Bowl, Duke can turn things around.

If they enact a standard I assure you Duke will have to put dummies in the seats or be exempted because they are Duke, which I wouldn't put past anyone.

wvucrazed Wrote:But - while we are on this topic - I thought that there was no difference between 1-A and 1-AA anymore, isn't that what someone has been preaching on these forums? If that's the case, why the moratorium on movement between subdivisions? Where is TopBoob anyway?

I'm not TopBoob so you'll just have to settle for a logical answer.

The differences between A/AA remain. What the NCAA did was move to allow 1 game per-year between the two to count towards post-season eligibility in football. Prior to this action it was only once every 2 years, I believe. Thus, for schools like Auburn and so forth there is essentially no difference between scheduling Samford or La-LaFayette for homecoming!

If there's more to it than this I don't recall.

L-Yes, What puzzles me about Duke is the lack of will to win in football & baseball. Before we were born, Duke played in the Rose Bowl. Duke has the money & name recogniton to be successful in any sport. I just don't understand why they don't go for it in football.

Brick City Pirate Wrote:L-Yes, What puzzles me about Duke is the lack of will to win in football & baseball. Before we were born, Duke played in the Rose Bowl. Duke has the money & name recogniton to be successful in any sport. I just don't understand why they don't go for it in football.

Is is really so surprising? SEC had a "talk" with Vanderbilt a few years ago. The conference said they had to commit to winning something in athletics.

Duke has historically committed to basketball.

NoDak Wrote:

wvucrazed Wrote:And the move exempts schools that have already begun to officially study the issue:

"The moratorium, which is effective immediately, does not affect 20 institutions that already have entered the seven-year Division I provisional-membership process for new NCAA members or the five-year process to move from Division II -- including institutions that currently are officially exploring Division I membership."

Hasn't UMASS formed an exploratory group of some sort already? If so, it appears they wouldn't be impacted by this rule if I'm reading it correctly.

UMASS is only informally exploring the IA level. "Officially exploring" means paperwork has been filed with the NCAA's office. Western Kentucky will be the only school allowed to continue with the FBS upgrade.

The 20 schools moving to DI that the NCAA was referring to are in various stages of a DI transition (having submitted the official paperwork, financial deposits, and periodic audits), are given below:

DI Exploratory year 2007-8 (they still have the option to back out without penalty after one year)
SIU-Edwardsville
North Dakota
South Dakota
Seattle
Houston Baptist
Bryant
New Haven

4 more years:
Florida Gulf Coast
South Carolina- Upstate
NC Central
Presbyterian

3 more years:
Cal State-Bakersfield
Central Arkansas
Winston-Salem St

Two more years:
Kennesaw St
N Florida
Utah Valley
NJIT

One more year:
North Dakota State
South Dakota State

Granted active DI membership this summer:
UC-Davis
Northern Colorado
Longwood (Va)

Geez look at all the dreck coming into Div 1....I'm thinking the big boys will be moving their toys to a new organization if all that joins.

chess Wrote:

Brick City Pirate Wrote:L-Yes, What puzzles me about Duke is the lack of will to win in football & baseball. Before we were born, Duke played in the Rose Bowl. Duke has the money & name recogniton to be successful in any sport. I just don't understand why they don't go for it in football.

Is is really so surprising? SEC had a "talk" with Vanderbilt a few years ago. The conference said they had to commit to winning something in athletics.

Duke has historically committed to basketball.

It also doesn't help that they're a small, selective private school within the same metro area as TWO State institutions. Hard to pick up fringe fans when that fan base is inundated with UNC and NCSU info, and many of their alumni are dispersed throughout the east coast and farther.

They have adjusted their admission standards for all sports within the past five years from the most stringent levels. They've also recently upgraded their weight room and training facilities and are considering renovations to Wallace Wade stadium. Now they need to find a coach willing to tackle the type of program they have. Any takers?

Gunner, I still think that Duke could be a power in football. Duke can recruit nationally with it's name recognition. Duke also has over a 3 billion dollar endowment. So Duke has two important parts of the puzzle, money & name recognition. If they chose to spend that money on a better stadium & topflite coach, the skies the limit.