It's gutless.

The Golden Dome has lost its luster.

Only to some memphis state fans.ND can fill stadiums over 80k and have their own tv package.Cries of "gutless" are useless in comparison to money in the bank.ND is sought after even by the B10 for their value.

True, they're a cash cow, but most in the Big East stomached their non-participation for the sake of the bowl deals. As things are looking now though, we may not need them next time around.

Hell, they would have finished 4th or worse in our league last year and they won't be that strong this season. It's a fading power while our league is mostly composed of rising powers. It's time for a paradigm shift. The one thing we can do about it right now is get our butts in bowl game seats.

CardFan636 Wrote:True, they're a cash cow, but most in the Big East stomached their non-participation for the sake of the bowl deals. As things are looking now though, we may not need them next time around.

Hell, they would have finished 4th or worse in our league last year and they won't be that strong this season. It's a fading power while our league is mostly composed of rising powers. It's time for a paradigm shift. The one thing we can do about it right now is get our butts in bowl game seats.

like you say cash cow, yes, great FB, no - again, the Golden Dome has lost its luster

I am not a Memphis State, as those with small minds call it, pimp. I would like Memphis in the BE, no question. But what I want is what I perceive as best for the BE for another reason - WVU. And carpet bagging ND does not fit into my formula.

CardFan636 Wrote:True, they're a cash cow, but most in the Big East stomached their non-participation for the sake of the bowl deals. As things are looking now though, we may not need them next time around.

Hell, they would have finished 4th or worse in our league last year and they won't be that strong this season.

Sure about that?

I would imagine that if all the Big East Teams had to play USC, Michigan and LSU last year...that MANY of them would of gone 0-3 against those powers..just like ND did last year...especially with 2 of them being on the "road" (at USC...and in New Orleans vs LSU).

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CardFan636 Wrote:True, they're a cash cow, but most in the Big East stomached their non-participation for the sake of the bowl deals. As things are looking now though, we may not need them next time around.

Hell, they would have finished 4th or worse in our league last year and they won't be that strong this season.

Sure about that?

I would imagine that if all the Big East Teams had to play USC, Michigan and LSU last year...that MANY of them would of gone 0-3 against those powers..just like ND did last year...especially with 2 of them being on the "road" (at USC...and in New Orleans vs LSU).

No one said UConn or Pitt was beating 1 of those 3. As he said, ND quite possibly would have been 4th in the league last year. None of our top teams played them, so its all speculation. For argument's sake, Sagarin's most accurate predictor ratings has UofL as a 13 point favorite over ND and WVU & RU as 8 point favorites. USF was a 1 point underdog against the Irish. Its more than plausible to call 3 teams better than the Domers.

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CardFan636 Wrote:True, they're a cash cow, but most in the Big East stomached their non-participation for the sake of the bowl deals. As things are looking now though, we may not need them next time around.

[b]Hell, they would have finished 4th or worse in our league last year and they won't be that strong this season.[/b]

Sure about that?

I would imagine that if all the Big East Teams had to play USC, Michigan and LSU last year...that MANY of them would of gone 0-3 against those powers..just like ND did last year...especially with 2 of them being on the "road" (at USC...and in New Orleans vs LSU).

No one said UConn or Pitt was beating 1 of those 3. As he said, ND quite possibly would have been 4th in the league last year. None of our top teams played them, so its all speculation. For argument's sake, Sagarin's most accurate predictor ratings has UofL as a 13 point favorite over ND and WVU & RU as 8 point favorites. USF was a 1 point underdog against the Irish. Its more than plausible to call 3 teams better than the Domers.

Actually...the first poster said ND "would" finish 4th or worse last year in the Big East, not possibly.

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CollegeCard Wrote:

KnightLight Wrote:

CardFan636 Wrote:True, they're a cash cow, but most in the Big East stomached their non-participation for the sake of the bowl deals. As things are looking now though, we may not need them next time around.

[b]Hell, they would have finished 4th or worse in our league last year and they won't be that strong this season.[/b]

Sure about that?

I would imagine that if all the Big East Teams had to play USC, Michigan and LSU last year...that MANY of them would of gone 0-3 against those powers..just like ND did last year...especially with 2 of them being on the "road" (at USC...and in New Orleans vs LSU).

No one said UConn or Pitt was beating 1 of those 3. As he said, ND quite possibly would have been 4th in the league last year. None of our top teams played them, so its all speculation. For argument's sake, Sagarin's most accurate predictor ratings has UofL as a 13 point favorite over ND and WVU & RU as 8 point favorites. USF was a 1 point underdog against the Irish. Its more than plausible to call 3 teams better than the Domers.

Actually...the first poster said ND "would" finish 4th or worse last year in the Big East, not possibly.

I see nothing in my post was disputed content wise. I'm fine changing what I said to agree with the original poster, odds are ND finishes 4th at best in the Big East last year. I don't see them finishing ahead of what was the top 3. ND wasn't even competitive against LSU, USC, and Michigan. I firmly believe they don't stay within 2 TD's of UofL last season and I think RU and WVU beat them as well. Even if they had won 1 of the 3, USF easily could have beaten them.

Tigeer Wrote:The Golden Dome has lost its luster.

Actually I was there last week and it was shining bright.

CollegeCard Wrote:I see nothing in my post was disputed content wise. I'm fine changing what I said to agree with the original poster, odds are ND finishes 4th at best in the Big East last year. I don't see them finishing ahead of what was the top 3. ND wasn't even competitive against LSU, USC, and Michigan. I firmly believe they don't stay within 2 TD's of UofL last season and I think RU and WVU beat them as well. Even if they had won 1 of the 3, USF easily could have beaten them.

Exactly. Notre Dame absolutely and without a doubt could not hang with U of L, WVU or Rutgers last year. I think South Florida and Cincinnati might have beaten them as well. Giving them the benefit of the doubt at 4th was kind.

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CardFan636 Wrote:True, they're a cash cow, but most in the Big East stomached their non-participation for the sake of the bowl deals. As things are looking now though, we may not need them next time around.

Hell, they would have finished 4th or worse in our league last year and they won't be that strong this season.

Sure about that?

I would imagine that if all the Big East Teams had to play USC, Michigan and LSU last year...that MANY of them would of gone 0-3 against those powers..just like ND did last year...especially with 2 of them being on the "road" (at USC...and in New Orleans vs LSU).

Possibly, but that's a different argument. For what it's worth, I think Michigan was overrated, LSU was inconsistent and USC was less than inspired through much of the year. None of those games would have been unwinnable for the top BE teams last year, but I would agree that it would have been a tall task.