Since so many of you UCFers have a hard on for our "announced" attendance, here is a record of your ACTUAL attendance announced by the Citrus Bowl.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/or...layout#ucf
Last years ANNOUNCED attendance was 31,000+
ACTUAL was 22,042

I have to presume that this will be summarily dismissed as slanted journalism, but I hope that the next time one of their fans points to how strong their attendance is "relative to USF's" or that "they only report butts in the seats" that this link will be thrown back in their faces.

USFFan

i don't know what's more depressing the fact they had only 8,888 fans at their last home game or they fudged their number by 167.3% article pretty much confirms what most usf fans think when they accuse of inflating numbers. i'm sure they'll come up with some BS excuse.

UCF - Villanova - 2-Sep-06 - 29,398 - 26,131 - 3,267 - 12.5% - 2006 college football regular season
UCF - USF - 16-Sep-06 - 46,708 - 38,209 - 8,499 - 22.2% - 2006 college football regular season
UCF - UAB - 25-Nov-06 - 23,755 - 8,888 - 14,867 - 167.3% - 2006 college football regular season

USFMike Wrote:i don't know what's more depressing the fact they had only 8,888 fans at their last home game or they fudged their number by 167.3% article pretty much confirms what most usf fans think when they accuse of inflating numbers. i'm sure they'll come up with some BS excuse.

UCF - Villanova - 2-Sep-06 - 29,398 - 26,131 - 3,267 - 12.5% - 2006 college football regular season
UCF - USF - 16-Sep-06 - 46,708 - 38,209 - 8,499 - 22.2% - 2006 college football regular season
UCF - UAB - 25-Nov-06 - 23,755 - 8,888 - 14,867 - 167.3% - 2006 college football regular season

Where are KnightLight and Friends?

No KL or STK?

What a surprise...

I responded on the main board. As I posted, look at the the Florida Citrus sports numbers then talk. Tell me that the Florida Classic only had 57,225 instead of their announced numbers of 71,216 or the Citrus Bowl only had 46,986 instead of their announced 60,774 and I will tell you that you are a fool. The Florida Classic sells out in hours and there are tens of thousands of people waiting outside as well. If the the Citrus Bowl only had 46,986, no one would be in the upper decks, which anyone watching the game would tell you it was damn near full.

Fact is, several gates around the Citrus Bowl don't have turnstyles at all. So once again, I am glad to help you guys out with facts. Damn, doesn't it suck to know the very same facts you used to start this came back and burned you.

You wanted the smack board, I am still waiting on your response. Somehow I dont think you will have one with any merit to it.

You want to use the "fact" that there are entrances to the Citrus Bowl as a defense to refute the attendance, and yet can't account for the fact that the turnstiles were accurate to within 2 people at some other events. Are you saying that only two people used those entrances for other games? Or, rather, are you faced with the embarrassing realization that UCF is now engaging in the same practice of counting attendance that USF has used in the past. It's almost humorous to see the backpedaling that's taking place to excuse UCF's use of this practice when UCF fans were excoriating USF for not providing an accurate count in the past.

Meanwhile, I have trouble believing that the Citrus Bowl and UCF would be allowed to engage in such a practice. I can tell you that the event would be shut down in California, since the law requires that the local fire marshall be given an accurate count of the number of people inside whenever an admission charge is accepted. I've been to college football games at more than 20 different stadiums as well as NFL, NBA, NHL and MLB games and I have never once encountered a stadium that didn't have turnstiles at every entrance. I guess if you run a Mickey Mouse organization, then you can try to justify this practice. Then again, even Disney uses turnstiles.

Oh, and by the way, here's an Orlando Sentinel picture of the UAB game last year:



Is that the UCF bench in front of all those empty seats there? I guess the fans who failed to go through the turnstiles are all hiding in the Pirate Ship (since that's the common insult hurled at USF when empty seats are seen at RJS).

USFFan

Oh, and by the way, your attempt at an insult where you wrote in my reputation that you "have yet to see anything of substance" in anything I've written is laughable. Feel free to go back and see where I presented ideas for, for example, an idea that would force teams to play real opponents outside of their conference and would come a lot closer to finding a real national champion in football. Here's that post:

http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=70085

And, if you can't be bothered to read it, you'll notice that it would include EVERY conference in football so that it doesn't prevent a school from any BCS conference from having a chance to play those meaningful games.

Also, I posted an idea that I'd heard for the Big East basketball tournament here on March 6:

http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=72668

OK, a proposal on a message board doesn't necessarily mean much. Then, interestingly enough, two months later, Andy Katz reports that this very proposal is being discussed as a real possibility for the Big East:

http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=73963

Now, I don't take credit for it, but you have to admit that that's a posting that's "substantial."

Then again, I'm posting about my own school >90% of the time. I personally feel that it's a bigger deal to actually support my own alma mater than to spend my time trying to run down a school that I didn't actually attend. It's a shame that you don't share that opinion.

USFFan

usffan Wrote:

Is that the UCF bench in front of all those empty seats there? I guess the fans who failed to go through the turnstiles are all hiding in the Pirate Ship (since that's the common insult hurled at USF when empty seats are seen at RJS).

USFFan

To answer my own question, that definitely is the UCF bench. Here's a better view:



Maybe all the fans are busy hiding the turnstiles from the evil attendance counters...

USFFan

First the picture you post of the UAB game is showing the endzone that never is filled unless there is well over 40,000 there.

The second picture is that of the visiting side and from what I see on the field, the game has yet to start. Show the other side and you will see a mostly a full side.

I can show many pictures of USF games with no one there as well. The fact still is, there are no turnstyles off of Tinker Field. And I am still waiting on you to explaing to the variance in the numbers with the Florida Classic or the Citrus Bowl.

South Tampa Knight Wrote:First the picture you post of the UAB game is showing the endzone that never is filled unless there is well over 40,000 there.

The second picture is that of the visiting side and from what I see on the field, the game has yet to start. Show the other side and you will see a mostly a full side.

I can show many pictures of USF games with no one there as well. The fact still is, there are no turnstyles off of Tinker Field. And I am still waiting on you to explaing to the variance in the numbers with the Florida Classic or the Citrus Bowl.

I don't have any pictures that show "the other side." However, it didn't take long to find these two pictures. As for "the end zone," that picture of the UAB game shows the ramp behind the UCF bench that, per the other picture, is on about the 40 yard line. All those seats behind the UCF bench are hardly "in the end zone."

As for the discrepancy in the Citrus Bowl and the Florida Classic game, how do I know there's a discrepancy at all? I saw the Citrus Bowl on TV and there were certainly plenty of empty seats, despite the announced attendance. Hell, I've been to the Outback Bowl which was completely sold out and seen plenty of empty seats. I wasn't at the Florida Classic in Orlando, but I HAVE in fact attended it in Tampa and I assure you that the Sombrero wasn't full despite the announced attendance.

USFFan

More:

USF vs. Cuse

USF vs. Rutgers

USF vs. FIU

USF v. McNeese

My favorite of all, an announced crowd of 2,874.

Quote:I don't have any pictures that show "the other side." However, it didn't take long to find these two pictures. As for "the end zone," that picture of the UAB game shows the ramp behind the UCF bench that, per the other picture, is on about the 40 yard line. All those seats behind the UCF bench are hardly "in the end zone."

Acutally you are looking at about the 20 yard line. I know because my seats were on the 40 and you no where near me. The booster section was between teh 25 yard lines. Those are packed for every game.

Quote:As for the discrepancy in the Citrus Bowl and the Florida Classic game, how do I know there's a discrepancy at all? I saw the Citrus Bowl on TV and there were certainly plenty of empty seats, despite the announced attendance. Hell, I've been to the Outback Bowl which was completely sold out and seen plenty of empty seats. I wasn't at the Florida Classic in Orlando, but I HAVE in fact attended it in Tampa and I assure you that the Sombrero wasn't full despite the announced attendance.

More spin, I was at the Citrus Bowl, the only seats available were the corners of the upper deck. The Florida Classic is always sold out. I will tell you why the discrpancy, because they don't have turnstyles at ever gate.

South Tampa Knight Wrote:More:

USF vs. Cuse

USF vs. Rutgers

USF vs. FIU

USF v. McNeese

My favorite of all, an announced crowd of 2,874.

See, you seem to be confused. I've never once said that USF's attendance figures are an attempt to reflect butts in the seats. USF's made no secrets of the fact that they use tickets distributed. It is YOU who seem to be having difficulty with the fact that UCF's attendance figures are no more accurate than are those at USF. In fact, I find it humorous that you're apparently coming to the realization that UCF isn't any more special than USF...

USFFan

wow... keep the excuses/deflections coming, it really makes for great comedy while we're waiting for football season. from the cusa board.

8,800 might be generous