Winston Salem is part of a region known as the Triad. Along with Greensboro and High Point. Its DMA (market) is 1.35 Million people (47th).

Winston Salem Market


According to this website, Greenville's DMA is 595,000 people and 107th.

Greenville DMA

To get back to a very old topic. There are 3 counties that border Pitt, that get Greenville TV stations, that now have about 275,000 residents, that are not included in the Greenville Market???

Look at every other market in the state (Country). I think all of them have the adjacent counties to the major population center included? Greenville does not? I wonder why?

Anyway here is the link for the website. It is a very cool link to check out.

http://truckads.com/licensed_affiliates1.asp#usamap

Norfolk Market

Those 9 North Carolina counties that are in the Norfolk, VA DMA. They all get Greenville stations. I was born in one of those counties. People watch the Greenville/Washington stations. BUT Norfolk gets the numbers. Norfolk does not even cover these counties in their news. They even have the Dare County as the Norfolk DMA! Edenton/Chowan County?! Hertford?! Next time you are in Norfolk check and see how many Edenton High School game scores you see? How about Ahoskie? Manteo? All of these teams are in conferences with teams in the Greenville DMA.

That is another 250,000 folks at least Greenville does not get credit for.

University Health System

ECU actually has hospitals in 4 of the counties that are not even in our Media Market???

MU88, At one time there was talk of relocating a major league baseball team to Winston Salem. As TopCard pointed out, Winston Salem's market include Greensboro & High Point. If Wake can't do any better among fans after their championship season, they never will.

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bitcruncher Wrote:Since nobody in Carolina cares about WF, except for a small percentage of the student population, and their parents, what does this signify?

Also, one whole percentage point behind doesn't make you technically tied either. At least not in any book I've ever read. Maybe that's how they teach statistics at ECU, but not at any other school I've ever heard of.

Not that I give a damn about ECU, but this was a poll based on a sampling of people in NC. (They obviously didn't ask everyone in NC). With any poll, there is a margin of error. In this poll it states that there is a margin of error of +/- 4.5% points. Therefore, based on statistics, there is no "statistical" difference between how much people in NC like ECU and WF.

I'm not sure how they teach statistics at WVU, but maybe you should STFU if you don't know what you are talking about.

The only poll in NC that would rank the Pirates highly is one taken within a 50 mile radius of the ECU campus. I know standard deviation too. Trust me, it ain't what you think it is.

That 50 miles would include counties not in our Media Market!!!!

True. But since it doesn't look likely, it's a moot point.

Off the topic and since it is a long way to football season.

How do they determine the markets?? Do they ever change them?

I am assuming that several decades ago, since there were no towns of any significant size in Eastern NC, cities like Raleigh and Norfolk had a larger reach.

Crossing state lines is also odd to me. Really major markets, like New York or Philly, you can imagine they would have more significant reach beyond the state line. But a Norfolk TV station does not follow anything in Northeastern NC. When someone gets stabbed in Edenton, the Norfolk station does not carry that. Then you have the whole High School conference deal. They rarely if ever cross state lines.

Like Greenville SC/Asheville NC market. There are no major cities and that market covers parts of 3 states? You know there is very little link between NE Georgia and what happens in Asheville NC. That should be 2-3 markets. You know those folks would rather see what happens in Atlanta than get commercials for a furniture store in Asheville.

Who controls this stuff? FCC?

How do they define markets? Some statistician goes out and draws arbitrary lines around arbitrary groups and say this is a market. Then they draw up arbitrary policies to oversee and guide these arbitrary groupings in the shows and sports events they deem best at the appropriate times.

At least, that's how I see it being done.

Topcard91 Wrote:Off the topic and since it is a long way to football season.

How do they determine the markets?? Do they ever change them?

I am assuming that several decades ago, since there were no towns of any significant size in Eastern NC, cities like Raleigh and Norfolk had a larger reach.

Crossing state lines is also odd to me. Really major markets, like New York or Philly, you can imagine they would have more significant reach beyond the state line. But a Norfolk TV station does not follow anything in Northeastern NC. When someone gets stabbed in Edenton, the Norfolk station does not carry that. Then you have the whole High School conference deal. They rarely if ever cross state lines.

Like Greenville SC/Asheville NC market. There are no major cities and that market covers parts of 3 states? You know there is very little link between NE Georgia and what happens in Asheville NC. That should be 2-3 markets. You know those folks would rather see what happens in Atlanta than get commercials for a furniture store in Asheville.

Who controls this stuff? FCC?

Designated Market Areas are controlled by Nielsen. They update the DMAs every year, although now to access the current ones you have to go to their site and be a subscriber.

Per wiki..."A Designated Market Area (DMA) is a group of counties in the United States that are covered by a specific group of television stations. The term was coined by Nielsen Media Research, and they control the trademark on it. There are 210 DMAs in the United States.

These market areas can also be used to define restrictions on rebroadcasting of broadcast television signals. Generally speaking, only stations within the same market area can be rebroadcast. The only exception to this rule is the significantly viewed list."

Cheers,
Neil

basically what I said.

Topcard91 Wrote:Crossing state lines is also odd to me. Really major markets, like New York or Philly, you can imagine they would have more significant reach beyond the state line. But a Norfolk TV station does not follow anything in Northeastern NC. When someone gets stabbed in Edenton, the Norfolk station does not carry that. Then you have the whole High School conference deal. They rarely if ever cross state lines.

Tons of DMA's cross state lines.

Here's the national DMA map...click on any to see local county DMA map.

http://www.truckads.com/licensed_affiliates1.asp#usamap

PS. FYI...Norfolk, VA and Greenville, NC are 130 miles apart. Most DMA's on the East Coast do not go out that far in one direction.

That map is a prime, perfect example of just how ridiculous these "markets" are in some cases (and of course, I speak for the "ECU" market)......take a look at the "Greenville/New Bern/Washington" market, and then take a look at the "Raleigh/Durham/Fayetteville" market.....anyone that knows ANYTHING about Eastern North Carolina knows that areas well within BOTH of those markets are served by media from BOTH markets - even Greenville itself is served by the biggest, best TV station in the state - WRAL - which is in Raleigh.....sitting back and claiming counties like Wilson, Edgecombe, Wayne, etc. as NOT being in the same market as Pitt is beyond ludicrous......

Thanks for the link...perhaps now the myth can be laid to rest.....

Capital Pirate Wrote:Thanks for the link...perhaps now the myth can be laid to rest.....

That goes on everywhere.

Boca Raton, FL is stuck in the West Palm Beach TV Market...but Boca is actually closer to Ft Lauderdale (just 22 miles...FTL/Miami market) than they are West Palm Beach.

Decisions are made like that by county lines all the time.

Greenville is 84 miles away from Raleigh...and if that was one TV market...then markets like Tampa/Orlando would be as well...but of course they are not.

That's one of the great things about the Greenville area of NC...as its AWAY from most major metro areas...and is a beautiful, peaceful place to live....and that IS a good thing!

KnightLight Wrote:That's one of the great things about the Greenville area of NC...as its AWAY from most major metro areas...

Not when issues like "TV markets" are being incorrectly used against the area......obviously not a problem when you have an enormous population already, but for an area like the one ECU is in, it creates quite a bit of confusion and a truckload of false assumptions.....

Like I said, anyone who has any real knowledge of Eastern North Carolina knows that the way these two markets overlap each other - with the spoils of the overlap going to the Raleigh "market" - is borderline asinine.....

Brick City Pirate Wrote:MU88, At one time there was talk of relocating a major league baseball team to Winston Salem. As TopCard pointed out, Winston Salem's market include Greensboro & High Point. If Wake can't do any better among fans after their championship season, they never will.

Baloney. I was in Winston-Salem in March for a few days. Spent a day in Greensboro and High Point. Been there a handful of times too. My dad lives in Charlotte. While relatively close, they are distinct metro areas, even though there are considered one media market. No way that anyone in Greensboro or High Point, except an alum, considers Wake the local school. It has no presence in the other towns.

Under your definition, Georgetown would be the local team in Baltimore, since Baltimore and DC are in the same media market. Its not. I do not mean to suggest that there are no Georgetown fans in Baltimore, just that the vast majority of their fans in DC, their hometown.

BTW, baseball in Winston-Salem? No way. There was some talk about Charlotte as the home of the White Sox and the Brewers, but most people dismissed the Charlotte market as too small at the time (early 90s). Face it, in order for a baseball team to be successful, you need 20,000 fans on a Tuesday night to watch the Devil Rays. Yes, Charlotte has 5 million people within 2 hours of the city, but there is no way someone drives two hours to watch a dog game. The population is not dense enough around the city. Look at the Hurricanes. The Raleigh market is even bigger than High Point, and they can't even support a NHL team. Baseball? Forget about it.

Is "Nielson Conspiracy Theories" a major at ECU? I'm just starting to wonder....! Really, Pirate fans don't have to like decisions that have been made, but those same decisions have been made in other states, and no one is out to screw ECU.

There's no "conspiracy" to it, as far as I'm concerned....it's simply a misleading situation that is constantly used to defame and degrade ECU....

I'm sure if such a myth were being perpetuated against UofL, you and other Cards would be quick to jump to defend her....nothing different here.....

This poll is BS. Why does the city of Charlotte have ECU scheduled to play VT and South Carolina there in the future, plus in the past has had WVU and NCSU play ECU there? The largest crowd ever to see a football game at NCSU was against ECU, not UNC or Duke. Duke's largest crowd ever since WWII was against ECU, not UNC.

The only thing I can think of they are talking about basketball.......

Pinetown Wrote:Duke's largest crowd ever since WWII was against ECU, not UNC.

Interesting, the Duke site says:

Wallace Wade Stadium's largest crowd flooded through the gates in 1949, when 57,500 people witnessed the annual Duke-North Carolina game.