It is very bitter sweet to see all the wonderful development downtown yet see so much of Memphis be ignored.

marktheapostle Wrote:It is very bitter sweet to see all the wonderful development downtown yet see so much of Memphis be ignored.

Yep. Herenton has turned into the thing he ran against in 1991. Back then he accused Hackett of only caring about Downtown interests and redevelopment and ignoring the neighborhoods. The same can now be easily said of the Dictator. That being said, I strongly support a growing, vital Downtown. It is nothing but good that thousands are moving down there to live and that Downtown is growing every year as an entertainment and tourist center. But, at the same time, large chunks of the city are falling into the abyss and no one seems to give a rat's ass.

JMSTiger Wrote:

marktheapostle Wrote:It is very bitter sweet to see all the wonderful development downtown yet see so much of Memphis be ignored.

Yep. Herenton has turned into the thing he ran against in 1991. Back then he accused Hackett of only caring about Downtown interests and redevelopment and ignoring the neighborhoods. The same can now be easily said of the Dictator. That being said, I strongly support a growing, vital Downtown. It is nothing but good that thousands are moving down there to live and that Downtown is growing every year as an entertainment and tourist center. But, at the same time, large chunks of the city are falling into the abyss and no one seems to give a rat's ass.

With that being said, do you all ever wonder where all the people are going once they tear down projects to redevelop the land downtown? A lot of them are moveing to some of our neiborhoods with section eight. I think that is horrible and I know the mayor has a lot to do with it.

tigerloyal Wrote:Are these new bldg. being built with earthquakes in mind?
Please tell me so.

Yes, it's in the current building code for new construction.

tigertate Wrote:

JMSTiger Wrote:

marktheapostle Wrote:It is very bitter sweet to see all the wonderful development downtown yet see so much of Memphis be ignored.

Yep. Herenton has turned into the thing he ran against in 1991. Back then he accused Hackett of only caring about Downtown interests and redevelopment and ignoring the neighborhoods. The same can now be easily said of the Dictator. That being said, I strongly support a growing, vital Downtown. It is nothing but good that thousands are moving down there to live and that Downtown is growing every year as an entertainment and tourist center. But, at the same time, large chunks of the city are falling into the abyss and no one seems to give a rat's ass.

With that being said, do you all ever wonder where all the people are going once they tear down projects to redevelop the land downtown? A lot of them are moveing to some of our neiborhoods with section eight. I think that is horrible and I know the mayor has a lot to do with it.

Many of these areas of Downtown that have seen such huge amounts of redevelopment were almost completely depopulated. For instance, all of the South Bluff's and now South End area of Downtown was old warehouses or had industrial uses. Very few people lived down there. Uptown is a different story though. I seriously doubt that most of the public housing tenants that used to live at Lauderdale Courts or Hurt Village now live in the redeveloped Uptown on which that public housing used to sit. As you point out, they most likely got Section 8 vouchers and are now living in places like Hickory Hill, Frayser and Raleigh. Dixie Homes has now been razed so I am sure that has released more Section 8 into the city.

gomemphistigers1 Wrote:i think the next thing they need to do is a total renovation of the Sterick Building.



bult in 1930, the 365 foot-tall building was the tallest in Tennessee for over 25 years.

it now sits unused.

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

That is a beautiful, useless building for today. Several years ago people fought hard to get money by placing it on the Historic Register. With that status comes alot of rules that state, among other things, you can't tear it down. The building was build a long time ago with old materials so the spans between the columns are quite short, keeping any use of cubicles out the window and the building can't be retrofitted for seismic without spending more than it's worth. The building needs to be torn down and a new one go up in it's place, but since we were short sighted that isn't an option. It will continues to be a 1000 ton paper weight.

tigertate Wrote:

JMSTiger Wrote:

marktheapostle Wrote:It is very bitter sweet to see all the wonderful development downtown yet see so much of Memphis be ignored.

Yep. Herenton has turned into the thing he ran against in 1991. Back then he accused Hackett of only caring about Downtown interests and redevelopment and ignoring the neighborhoods. The same can now be easily said of the Dictator. That being said, I strongly support a growing, vital Downtown. It is nothing but good that thousands are moving down there to live and that Downtown is growing every year as an entertainment and tourist center. But, at the same time, large chunks of the city are falling into the abyss and no one seems to give a rat's ass.

With that being said, do you all ever wonder where all the people are going once they tear down projects to redevelop the land downtown? A lot of them are moveing to some of our neiborhoods with section eight. I think that is horrible and I know the mayor has a lot to do with it.

I don't know about Section 8, but I know last summer right before some convention (I think COGIC), they shipped all the homeless folks to Hickory Hill. Most have made their way back downtown, but there's obviously some "relocation" plan.

JTiger Wrote:

gomemphistigers1 Wrote:i think the next thing they need to do is a total renovation of the Sterick Building.



bult in 1930, the 365 foot-tall building was the tallest in Tennessee for over 25 years.

it now sits unused.

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

That is a beautiful, useless building for today. Several years ago people fought hard to get money by placing it on the Historic Register. With that status comes alot of rules that state, among other things, you can't tear it down. The building was build a long time ago with old materials so the spans between the columns are quite short, keeping any use of cubicles out the window and the building can't be retrofitted for seismic without spending more than it's worth. The building needs to be torn down and a new one go up in it's place, but since we were short sighted that isn't an option. It will continues to be a 1000 ton paper weight.

Haven't old buildings from the 1920's and 1930's been redeveloped in other cities around the United States? Why the need to tear it down? The Chrysler Building and Empire State Building were both built during that same time. Why are they still used in New York today and not torn down? It would be a horrible mistake to tear down the Sterrick Building. This city has already destroyed so much of its architechitural history over the last 45 years. If they can redevelop the Lincoln American Tower, they will eventually redevelop Sterrick. It will take time, but it will happen one day.

JMSTiger Wrote:

JTiger Wrote:

gomemphistigers1 Wrote:i think the next thing they need to do is a total renovation of the Sterick Building.



bult in 1930, the 365 foot-tall building was the tallest in Tennessee for over 25 years.

it now sits unused.

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

That is a beautiful, useless building for today. Several years ago people fought hard to get money by placing it on the Historic Register. With that status comes alot of rules that state, among other things, you can't tear it down. The building was build a long time ago with old materials so the spans between the columns are quite short, keeping any use of cubicles out the window and the building can't be retrofitted for seismic without spending more than it's worth. The building needs to be torn down and a new one go up in it's place, but since we were short sighted that isn't an option. It will continues to be a 1000 ton paper weight.

Haven't old buildings from the 1920's and 1930's been redeveloped in other cities around the United States? Why the need to tear it down? The Chrysler Building and Empire State Building were both built during that same time. Why are they still used in New York today and not torn down? It would be a horrible mistake to tear down the Sterrick Building. This city has already destroyed so much of its architechitural history over the last 45 years. If they can redevelop the Lincoln American Tower, they will eventually redevelop Sterrick. It will take time, but it will happen one day.

no central air most likely, old, out of code wiring, asbestos, poor floor plans, no wiring for modern communications, rotted wood, mold, etc. same problem with the Sears Crosstown.

but i would like to see the old buildings stay when possible. just a ton of headaches.

wow - that video is VERY impressive.

JMSTiger Wrote:

tigertate Wrote:

JMSTiger Wrote:

marktheapostle Wrote:It is very bitter sweet to see all the wonderful development downtown yet see so much of Memphis be ignored.

Yep. Herenton has turned into the thing he ran against in 1991. Back then he accused Hackett of only caring about Downtown interests and redevelopment and ignoring the neighborhoods. The same can now be easily said of the Dictator. That being said, I strongly support a growing, vital Downtown. It is nothing but good that thousands are moving down there to live and that Downtown is growing every year as an entertainment and tourist center. But, at the same time, large chunks of the city are falling into the abyss and no one seems to give a rat's ass.

With that being said, do you all ever wonder where all the people are going once they tear down projects to redevelop the land downtown? A lot of them are moveing to some of our neiborhoods with section eight. I think that is horrible and I know the mayor has a lot to do with it.

Many of these areas of Downtown that have seen such huge amounts of redevelopment were almost completely depopulated. For instance, all of the South Bluff's and now South End area of Downtown was old warehouses or had industrial uses. Very few people lived down there. Uptown is a different story though. I seriously doubt that most of the public housing tenants that used to live at Lauderdale Courts or Hurt Village now live in the redeveloped Uptown on which that public housing used to sit. As you point out, they most likely got Section 8 vouchers and are now living in places like Hickory Hill, Frayser and Raleigh. Dixie Homes has now been razed so I am sure that has released more Section 8 into the city.

Dont forget Cordova, one of my coworkers knows for a fact that there are many apartments in Cordova with section 8 tenants.

tigertate Wrote:

JMSTiger Wrote:

tigertate Wrote:

JMSTiger Wrote:

marktheapostle Wrote:It is very bitter sweet to see all the wonderful development downtown yet see so much of Memphis be ignored.

Yep. Herenton has turned into the thing he ran against in 1991. Back then he accused Hackett of only caring about Downtown interests and redevelopment and ignoring the neighborhoods. The same can now be easily said of the Dictator. That being said, I strongly support a growing, vital Downtown. It is nothing but good that thousands are moving down there to live and that Downtown is growing every year as an entertainment and tourist center. But, at the same time, large chunks of the city are falling into the abyss and no one seems to give a rat's ass.

With that being said, do you all ever wonder where all the people are going once they tear down projects to redevelop the land downtown? A lot of them are moveing to some of our neiborhoods with section eight. I think that is horrible and I know the mayor has a lot to do with it.

Many of these areas of Downtown that have seen such huge amounts of redevelopment were almost completely depopulated. For instance, all of the South Bluff's and now South End area of Downtown was old warehouses or had industrial uses. Very few people lived down there. Uptown is a different story though. I seriously doubt that most of the public housing tenants that used to live at Lauderdale Courts or Hurt Village now live in the redeveloped Uptown on which that public housing used to sit. As you point out, they most likely got Section 8 vouchers and are now living in places like Hickory Hill, Frayser and Raleigh. Dixie Homes has now been razed so I am sure that has released more Section 8 into the city.

Dont forget Cordova, one of my coworkers knows for a fact that there are many apartments in Cordova with section 8 tenants.

Not just apartments. Many people who are fleeing Cordova can't sell, so they are renting their homes out. I have heard of Section 8 being used even in places like Countrywood. Who would have thought that 10 years ago.

JMSTiger Wrote:

JTiger Wrote:

gomemphistigers1 Wrote:i think the next thing they need to do is a total renovation of the Sterick Building.



bult in 1930, the 365 foot-tall building was the tallest in Tennessee for over 25 years.

it now sits unused.

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

That is a beautiful, useless building for today. Several years ago people fought hard to get money by placing it on the Historic Register. With that status comes alot of rules that state, among other things, you can't tear it down. The building was build a long time ago with old materials so the spans between the columns are quite short, keeping any use of cubicles out the window and the building can't be retrofitted for seismic without spending more than it's worth. The building needs to be torn down and a new one go up in it's place, but since we were short sighted that isn't an option. It will continues to be a 1000 ton paper weight.

Haven't old buildings from the 1920's and 1930's been redeveloped in other cities around the United States? Why the need to tear it down? The Chrysler Building and Empire State Building were both built during that same time. Why are they still used in New York today and not torn down? It would be a horrible mistake to tear down the Sterrick Building. This city has already destroyed so much of its architechitural history over the last 45 years. If they can redevelop the Lincoln American Tower, they will eventually redevelop Sterrick. It will take time, but it will happen one day.

Those buildings you mention are much more historic and important than the Sterrick Building, meaning there is more $$$$ available than that of the Sterick building. I know for a fact that the Empire state building was WAYYYYYY overdesigned structurally and don't have to deal with the same seismic loading we do here.

salukiblue Wrote:Is there enough of a money base in the city for people to actually occupy that building? 150 condos, I imagine will go from $300,000 and up. How many businesses will relocate to that space?

It looks good on paper, and in picture, but I dunno.

The website states prices will start at around $550,000.00.

gomemphistigers1 Wrote:i think the next thing they need to do is a total renovation of the Sterick Building.



bult in 1930, the 365 foot-tall building was the tallest in Tennessee for over 25 years.

it now sits unused.

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

It was actually the tallest building in the entire South when built.

3601 Wrote:

gomemphistigers1 Wrote:i think the next thing they need to do is a total renovation of the Sterick Building.



bult in 1930, the 365 foot-tall building was the tallest in Tennessee for over 25 years.

it now sits unused.

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

It was actually the tallest building in the entire South when built.

i know that i'm no architect...but maybe it could be re-done floor by floor...and re-opened slowly.

it's PRIME real estate in the heart of downtown...i would love to have a 2 bedroom condo in that tower.

here's the view from the top...(i found this cool site, this guy goes exploring in old abandoned buildings)

http://www.uer.ca/locations/viewgal.asp?...alid=15110

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

man, look at some of these pics...

looks like 1967 was the last time the building was used...


view from 365 feet up...i could wake up to this every day.



i dig this old carpet, LOL!


it's a LONG way down!


it's so sad this building sits unused!

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

Chi-Town Wrote:

salukiblue Wrote:Is there enough of a money base in the city for people to actually occupy that building? 150 condos, I imagine will go from $300,000 and up. How many businesses will relocate to that space?

It looks good on paper, and in picture, but I dunno.

I'm with you.....if there were not a hotel involved, there wouldn't be a snowball's chance to get this thing going. I know there is a lot of interest in downtown lately, but that is some serious coin for a bunch of condos. I wonder if the "river condo" upscale market has been tapped out with south bluffs, etc..?

not really.....there are a lot of people, empty nesters mainly, who live out in collierville & g'town who are starting to purchase these condos as "second homes," coming to grizzlies/tigers games, and spend the weekends downtown.

gomemphistigers1 Wrote:i dig this old carpet, LOL!

That's not carpet. It's a thousand pounds of pigeonshit.

tigergreen Wrote:

Chi-Town Wrote:

salukiblue Wrote:Is there enough of a money base in the city for people to actually occupy that building? 150 condos, I imagine will go from $300,000 and up. How many businesses will relocate to that space?

It looks good on paper, and in picture, but I dunno.

I'm with you.....if there were not a hotel involved, there wouldn't be a snowball's chance to get this thing going. I know there is a lot of interest in downtown lately, but that is some serious coin for a bunch of condos. I wonder if the "river condo" upscale market has been tapped out with south bluffs, etc..?

not really.....there are a lot of people, empty nesters mainly, who live out in collierville & g'town who are starting to purchase these condos as "second homes," coming to grizzlies/tigers games, and spend the weekends downtown.

For half a mil? I know the exchange building and the condos over the Y are pretty popular, but they run in the 100-300k range. These bad boys are starting out at $550,000.