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07-07-2002 01:43 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by hoops13:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Terpy:
I dont see it as an accomplishment at all, they basically got lucky because they didnt have to play Maryland to get it. With 2 of the top 3 picks and "the best backcourt in America" ( <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> ) they should have done a lot more<hr /></blockquote>Are you trying to say that winning the the ACC Tournament isn't an accomplishment??? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="confused.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />
No matter which team wins the tourney, it is an accomplishment.

If it isn't, than why does the ACC have it?
Why are "ACC Tourney champs" banners hung?
Why does it automatically give the champion a birth into the NCAAs?
Why do the champions get a trophy?

If you are going to argue that Duke should have done more with such a talented team, then I agree wholeheartedly. But please don't be so irrational to say that being ACC Tourney Champs isn't an accomplishment...because if you do, I am not even going to bother reading the rest of what you say.[/QB]<hr /></blockquote>The ACC tourney like all conference Tourneys while fun to watch is nothing more than a scam to make more money for the conference. A team can win the regular season championship and if they have one bad game in the tourney they lose the conference title and the automatic NCAA bid. The conference Champion should be the team that worked their ass off to be the best all season long not just the team that happened to be hot at the end of the season. There have been plenty of teams that got into the NCAA tourney that had no business being there just because they won the conference tourney. Maryland's first round opponent Sienna made the NCAAs because they won their tourney despite having a frikin losing record. Every year it seems like there is a team from a big conference that gets in after winning their conference tourney and gets spanked by a mid major in their first round game. It is really not fair, a better team may get snubbed because they conference tourney champs get an automatic bid.

All of that said I do enjoy the ACC tourney but I dont think it should crown the ACC champ, I mean look at what NC State almost did a couple years ago, they had a horrible season but almost ran the table in the tourney to get a bid they wouldnt have deserved. Theoretically a horrible team, like Carolina last year, could be the conference champs if they get hot in the tourney.

07-09-2002 10:54 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Terpy:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by hoops13:
Duke did win the ACC tourney, which Maryland didn't do.<hr /></blockquote>Who gives a ****? We are the national champs! Anyways if we had gotten by state we would have destroyed Duke.<hr /></blockquote>Incredible insight. That's lovely...only one problem buddy. Yeah, that's right you DIDN'T get by State. And enjoy your ONE championship while we enjoy our THREE.

Yes, I really am stooping this low to count NC's...but hey, that's the way terpy wants to play.

07-10-2002 01:12 AM

07-10-2002 01:18 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Terpy:
[QBI dont see it as an accomplishment at all, they basically got lucky because they didnt have to play Maryland to get it. [/QB]<hr /></blockquote><img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />

07-10-2002 03:25 PM

07-10-2002 10:16 PM

Terpy,

Why not respond to "me", not nate jonesacc, but the poster, instead of just pulling the infamous rolleyes.

07-10-2002 10:17 PM

You don't see the ACC tournament an accomplishment at all??

I'm really sorry that you feel that way.

Maybe when MD wins one, your opinion might change.

07-11-2002 09:57 AM

Glad to see you havent changed a bit Nate. <img border="0" alt="[Wavy Guy]" title="" src="graemlins/wave.gif" />

07-11-2002 10:38 AM

You still won't respond. I wonder why. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />

07-12-2002 10:51 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by nate jonesacc:
You still won't respond. I wonder why. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>

07-12-2002 02:11 PM

Terpy, I see your point -- but a lot of the same reasoning you use can be applied to the NCAA tourney also. A team that is obviously better than most can get knocked out for having a bad night... while a team like Sienna could get hot and win it all (unlikely, but it could happen).

Of course, there are still obviously some differences and reasons why the NCAA tournament is a better measure of a team's strength than the ACC -- mainly, that 1) you have to win 6 or 7 games instead of 3 or 4, 2) you have to qualify for the NCAA tournament, and 3) teams in the ACC know each other better and upsets are more likely when you've already played another team twice.

That said, the ACC tournament determines the official ACC champion just like the NCAA tournament determines the NCAA champion. It still has meaning....

-JD

[ July 12, 2002, 03:12 PM: Message edited by: JD Heel ]

07-12-2002 05:59 PM

Ok, ok, Nate, dont crap your pants, the ACC tourney is an accomplishment, I just dont like how hypothetically a team that stinks up the place all year could be named the conferences champion.

07-31-2002 11:23 PM

Retreat!

08-01-2002 12:03 AM

Dean Smith, one of if not the greatest college BBall coach ever, always said that the regular season championship was a greater accomplishment than the ACC tourney championship. The ACC tourney championship means nothing beyond determining who goes to the NCAA tourney and to make money. Winning the ACC tourney is an accomplishment but to rub it in the Naional Champions face saying that "yeah but you didn't win the ACC tourney is foolish and childish".

As a Clemson fan i have no point to second guess any other BBall team but Terpy does have the right as National Champions to put down any other Basketball team, its an advantage of being NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS.

08-01-2002 08:48 AM

I didn't see anyone rub that in a terps face.

Terpy was trying to say we won nothing, which is complete BS.

08-01-2002 03:31 PM

nate...without loooking, who won the ACC Championship in 1984? Who won the National Chamionship in 1984?

08-01-2002 03:51 PM

NCAA: Georgetown?
ACC: Dunno, but if it was Maryland, congrats, you have 1 ACC tourney title. <img border="0" alt="[laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laughing.gif" />

08-01-2002 04:11 PM

yes, it was maryland, but you missed the point son....

08-02-2002 08:29 AM

Oh, that I was wrong by 1 title, your only title? <img border="0" alt="[laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laughing.gif" />

08-02-2002 03:02 PM

no, the point is you knew who the NCAA champion was, but you had no idea who won the ACC (had nothing to do with maryland). So, in ten years when people talk about 2002 College Basketball they wont give a damn that Duke won the ACC title, but everyone will be sure to know that Maryland won the NCAA Title. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" />

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