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09-14-2002 02:33 PM

Why are ACC refs so incredibly biased whenever an ACC team plays any out of conference team? In the Duke-Northwestern game, ACC refs called 7 penalties on Northwestern in 7 minutes in the first quarter to set the tone and send a message to NU that they weren't going to have any homefield advantage. 13 NU penalties for 126 yards through 3 quarters, 3 times as much as Duke. Lots of questionable holding calls against NU which can be called on any team on any play. ACC refs know how to call them at the right time for maximum impact, it's like an art with these people. Call back a 50 yard NU interception return for TD, wipe out a 25 yard run or long pass, etc. Even though it may only show up as a 5 or 10 yard penalty, ACC refs actually affect hundreds of yards in a single game, disgusting. They seem to be especially biased whenever a game is supposed to be close, notice they don't help out FSU football much if at all because they don't need it. Why does this happen with ACC refs whether it's basketball or football? Someone should analyze total penalties and yardage or FTs in games called by ACC refs between ACC and out of conference teams, the other team would probably have at least twice as many penalties.

[ September 14, 2002, 03:35 PM: Message edited by: Deep Blue ]

09-14-2002 02:57 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />ACC refs know how to call them at the right time for maximum impact, it's like an art with these people.<hr /></blockquote> <blockquote>quote:<hr />ACC refs actually affect hundreds of yards in a single game, disgusting.<hr /></blockquote>These are some pretty serious accusations. I would make sure you know what you're talking about before you go off about ACC officials' trying to ensure the outcome of a game....

-JD

09-14-2002 03:18 PM

146 penalty yards against Northwestern, 45 yards and just one second half penalty against Duke when the game was on the line. Northwestern fans booing all game, NU coach Walker rips into ACC refs right after the game, before and after shaking hands with Franks. Gotta be frustrating hearing about 15 yard personal fouls and 10 yard holding calls in a whiny carolina accent all game long. Duke lost anyway, to a horrible NU team on an 8 game losing streak that got ripped for 100 points by lame teams TCU and Air Force, Franks is pathetic. Does ACC benefit from 2 or 3 times as many calls against opposition with ACC refs? Box scores should list referees again, and conference affiliation. All interconference games in all sports should use neutral refs, I'm sure the ACC would be opposed to that.

Apparently ACC refs set a record:

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Cats eek out a close, come from behind victory over Duke, but commit a record 16 penalities for 140+ yards in the process. From what I heard over the WGN feed though, the officiating was absolutely horrific, most of which was at the expense of the Cats.

Looking forward to hearing the out-takes from those who attended the game.

A wins a win folks! I'll take it!

GO CATS! Beat Navy! "

[ September 14, 2002, 04:36 PM: Message edited by: Deep Blue ]

09-14-2002 03:36 PM

How do you account for the fact that Northwestern won anyway? I mean, surely these refs could have pulled something out to keep dook in it....

By the way, this reminds me of a game Clemson played against UNC in basketball way back... when the Tigers had way more fouls than the Heels. Barnes and a few Clemson fans whined about that -- but the fact of the matter was that anyone who watched the game saw how rough Clemson was playing that day.

Just because the number of penalties isn't even doesn't mean the refs are cheating. Perhaps it says something about the teams playing, though....

-JD

[ September 14, 2002, 04:40 PM: Message edited by: JD Heel ]

09-14-2002 03:50 PM

Franks is the worst coach in sports history, 1-25. The problem is this always seems to happen with ACC refs calling an ACC interconference game. 2 or 3 times as many penalties or fouls or yards or FTs given up against the other team. Happens again and again. NU had more than 3 times as much penalty yardage as Duke which is notorious for dumb penalties, even though it was in Evanston. ACC refs are way too biased to be calling any game, in or out of conference. That Clemson game when the whole team fouled out and they couldn't even put 5 guys on the floor was hilarious, I'm sure heel fans think Clemson losing all 50 games in Chapel Hill has nothing to do with carolina ACC refs, yeah right.

[ September 14, 2002, 04:51 PM: Message edited by: Deep Blue ]

09-14-2002 04:01 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Franks is the worst coach in sports history, 1-25. <hr /></blockquote>Where were the ACC-biased refs in all those OOC games that dook hast lost? <blockquote>quote:<hr /> The problem is this always seems to happen with ACC refs calling an ACC interconference game. 2 or 3 times as many penalties or fouls or yards or FTs given up against the other team. <hr /></blockquote>Oh, and you have proof of this, right? Or are you just spouting things off willy-nilly?
<blockquote>quote:<hr />NU had more than 3 times as much penalty yardage as Duke which is notorious for dumb penalties, even though it was in Evanston. <hr /></blockquote>So you're saying that the refs should have been biased toward Northwestern because the game was "in Evanston." I think I understand now....
<blockquote>quote:<hr />That Clemson game when the whole team fouled out and they couldn't even put 5 guys on the floor was hilarious <hr /></blockquote>I was actually talking about another game against Clemson. But, the game you're talking about was another one in which the margin of fouls between the teams was lopsided.

Funny, though, that all that has disappeared now that Rick Barnes has moved on. I guess he and his rough style of play had nothing to do with all those fouls.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />

-JD

09-14-2002 04:17 PM

It's evident the ACC refs in Death Valley today came from a K-MART blue light special.

09-14-2002 04:22 PM

Let me just say that I am by no means taking up for the quality of refereeing among ACC officials. They may be horrible -- I really have no clue.

My contention with Deep Blue is over his claim that ACC refs are biased and trying to affect the outcome of the game. I think that's a pretty serious claim....

-JD

***georgia_tech_swagger*** · 09-14-2002 04:40 PM

OK. let me get this straight.

Duke looses and still ppl claim the refs are supporting us. riiight.

we were close today. dont take that away from us by saying the refs tried to throw the game.

did Northwestern commit 7 penalties in the first quarter? or did the refs just like throwing the little yellow flag? if NW committed them then the refs did their job.

09-14-2002 10:48 PM

Wow. This is really fun reading about how Deep Blue analyzes Duke games and whines about them instead of listening to them and enjoying the entertainment value. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> I mean, come on! Duke football isn't what you call great. A few confused refs aren't going to throw the game away intentially. Besides, my uncle's an ACC ref and he wouldn't give Duke a game just because he roots for them. <blockquote>quote:<hr /> I would make sure you know what you're talking about before you go off about ACC officials' trying to ensure the outcome of a game....
<hr /></blockquote>Like JD says, check your info before you go accusing.

09-15-2002 05:53 AM

Why do you guys even respond to this guy? He is just trying to stirr up a bunch of crap.

09-16-2002 03:57 PM

Tell 'em, Blue Balls. Atlantic League referees would never make such disgusting calls! Yeah!!

09-17-2002 07:52 AM

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Listening on the internet feed it sounded like the ACC refs had been bought off by Vegas the way they found hold after hold on NU and none on Duke. Those of you there in person, was it clearly a case of biased officiating or not?

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It was that bad. I talked to many people walking away from the game and everyone felt the calls were completely onesided in Duke's favor. When my mother can see how bad the calls are....

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Was at the game, the officiating was atrocious. Spoke to a Big Ten sideline official after the game, he said he had never seen such biased officiating. He said that more than 3 times a ref through a flag well after the play was over. RW did get into it with a couple of the refs after the game. The only holding penalty on Duke was called on the last play of the game. The Big Ten should definetly say something to the ACC about the crew they sent. The Back Judge threw flags twice from 30 yards away. NU Greek

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Some of the calls were legit, but the overall officiating was incredibly biased.

I hope that the refs are having a good steak dinner tonight enjoying the suitcase of cash that the Dookies handed them after the game.

REFS - YOU STINK!

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for protecting their own. Les Grobstein (radio sports nerd supreme) went on and on about the awful officiating when Duke came to NU in 1996, I think, and the officials did all they could to keep it close. Sounds like a comparable situation.

elgatoloco

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Worst officiating I've ever seen, which says a lot, considering I saw this same f****** crew at Ryan Field in 2000.

To be fair, the refs had a couple of stupendously bad calls that went NU's way. With those exceptions, the calling was comically one-sided.

This crew needs to find a new hobby, like fixing dog races.

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My 73-year-old mother is hoarse from booing the officials.

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Post #93 Did RW charge at the officials after the game? Reply

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Continuing the officiating thread, I heard a Score caller say that Coach Walker charged at the officials after the game. Is this correct? When the game ended, I headed right toward the south tower ramps and was not paying attention to the postgame activity on the field.

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Maggs, myself and other NU fans were camped out at the North/west end waiting for the refs. They took lumps from all the fans. When they got to the gate, 3 fans held them up [didn't touch them though], Shouted to the refs, "You shouldn't get paid", The ref shouted back (abviously shaken from things) "we already got paid. I got into it too by telling the refs that they reffed liked they already got paid...by the bookey. They were pissed but all the time taking a very fast walking pace.

I wasn't inside the stadium to see if RW was involved but I would doubt it. They definately had money on the game and kept it within 6 pts.

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You are correct. He did indeed charge at the officials. He gave them a piece of his mind, walked away, and then he decided he hadn't said enough so he went back and gave 'em hell again.

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The Refs (If you can call them that) were from the ACC. The head ref, appeared to be from the same crew in the 2000 game. Horrible Refs.

09-17-2002 08:33 AM

Oh -- well, if a few posts of Wildcat fans say that the officiating was biased, then it has to be true.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />

-JD

[ September 17, 2002, 09:34 AM: Message edited by: JD Heel ]

09-17-2002 11:02 AM

By the way, if you can prove that those refs were dook boosters like <a href="http://msn.espn.go.com/ncf/news/2002/0916/1432534.html" target="_blank">this guy was for Arizona,</a> I'll give you the benefit of the doubt....

-JD

09-18-2002 09:31 PM

Refs that live near schools, like the Tucson resident calling the Arizona game, shouldn't be allowed to officiate those schools' games. All 4 ACC schools in NC are close to each other and ACC headquarters in Greensboro, refs from or currently living in NC shouldn't work games for nearby schools. Atlantic League with Syracuse, BC, Miami, Penn State, UMD, UVA, Duke, UNC, GT, and FSU, should hire refs that have no connection to its schools or its college towns. All interconference games should use neutral refs from a third conference.

Some posts about officiating from thedevilsden:

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posted September 14, 2002 01:27 PM
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We're catching some breaks early too! Another penalty swinging our way.

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posted September 14, 2002 01:27 PM
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Many NU penalties, obviously a conspiracy!
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posted September 14, 2002 01:32 PM
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FINALLY!

The infamous Duke/ref conspiracy seems to be working for FOOTball today
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posted September 14, 2002 01:35 PM
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Damn, we have to captialize on all these penalties

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Damn, Beat Northwestern!

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posted September 14, 2002 01:36 PM
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Dargan might return I think they said.

haha, we just had our first penalty. the crowd goes wild.

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posted September 14, 2002 01:36 PM
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1st Duke penalty - NU fans go wild!

09-20-2002 09:05 AM

Remember that referee doing the Arizona game? <a href="http://www.collegefootballnews.com/2002/Columnists/Ron_McBrude.htm" target="_blank">Here's a nice little column</a> about how folks (me included) can be wrong about a referee based on what they've seen and heard from others. Turns out the guy isn't even close to a booster and didn't even make the call on the game's key play.

Officials aren't perfect, but geez -- it's time to give a little slack to the people who give something to the game without much promise of glory or reward. They mess up like the rest of us do -- but I guarantee you that there are very few (if any) officials trying to fix the outcome of games.

-JD

09-20-2002 02:59 PM

Bluedevil how many times have you been banned from TDD?

09-20-2002 04:16 PM

What the hell is up with copying other sites boards? They don't mean a thing?

09-26-2002 08:19 PM

8 penalties for 100 yards in the first half against Louisville compared to just 75 offensive yards, ACC refs calling the FSU-Louisville game. ESPN announcers talking all game about the questionable calls and major penalties on UL, only question asked to UL coach Smith at halftime about penalties, he just laughs and says everyone saw them on TV. Why is it that this always happens whenever I watch or listen to an ACC interconference game, in basketball or football or whatever, with ACC refs?

[ September 26, 2002, 09:19 PM: Message edited by: Deep Blue ]

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