Today in Japan Cheney tried to spin the UK withdrawal as a positive sign. Southern Iraq was calm enough now for Britain to leave. If this trulywas the case why wouldn't we transfer these forces into Baghdad and try to pacify the situation there. Why not call out Blair for what it is? This administration does NOT SQUARE with the American public. You 28 percenters keep drinkin the kool-aid. Where will we be in August when this surge doesn't work? Scarborough had a list of the things this administration has been wrong about. It would take up too much bandwidth for me to repost it here, but hopefully some of you have been paying attention the last three years and get my meaning. It would be easier to post the things they have been right about. Here they are:

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sums it up.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2891738

Machiavelli Wrote:Today in Japan Cheney tried to spin the UK withdrawal as a positive sign. Southern Iraq was calm enough now for Britain to leave. If this trulywas the case why wouldn't we transfer these forces into Baghdad and try to pacify the situation there.

Just to clarify, the troop reduction isn't scheduled til end of year some time, and will go from 7,600 to 5,500. So they aren't leave entirely.

Quote:Why not call out Blair for what it is? This administration does NOT SQUARE with the American public.

Oy, here we go again.

Quote:Where will we be in August when this surge doesn't work?

You kill me. On one had you bash them for not reallocating troops to Baghdad to pacify it, then a few sentences later proclaim a surge won't work. I swear you try and have it both ways more than a bi-sexual at Mardi Gras.

Quote:Scarborough had a list of the things this administration has been wrong about. It would take up too much bandwidth for me to repost it here,

LOL! Since when have you cared about wasting bandwidth? lmfao

the UK started with around 40k troops, they've been reducing them as conditions improved for quite sometime now. Basra is a different cookie than Baghdad.

Cheney's comment about the Slow bleed plan validating Al-Qaeda's strategy was more interesting I thought, especially after Pelosi ignored the substance of it and went whining to the president(further confirming Al-qaeda's view of our Will)

GGniner Wrote:the UK started with around 40k troops, they've been reducing them as conditions improved for quite sometime now. Basra is a different cookie than Baghdad.

Cheney's comment about the Slow bleed plan validating Al-Qaeda's strategy was more interesting I thought, especially after Pelosi ignored the substance of it and went whining to the president(further confirming Al-qaeda's view of our Will)

lmfao Just repeating the Fox noise and O'Really's talking points given to them from the big Dick.

RobertN Wrote:

GGniner Wrote:the UK started with around 40k troops, they've been reducing them as conditions improved for quite sometime now. Basra is a different cookie than Baghdad.

Cheney's comment about the Slow bleed plan validating Al-Qaeda's strategy was more interesting I thought, especially after Pelosi ignored the substance of it and went whining to the president(further confirming Al-qaeda's view of our Will)

lmfao Just repeating the Fox noise and O'Really's talking points given to them from the big Dick.

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GGniner Wrote:

RobertN Wrote:[quote="GGniner"]the UK started with around 40k troops, they've been reducing them as conditions improved for quite sometime now. Basra is a different cookie than Baghdad.

Cheney's comment about the Slow bleed plan validating Al-Qaeda's strategy was more interesting I thought, especially after Pelosi ignored the substance of it and went whining to the president(further confirming Al-qaeda's view of our Will)

lmfao Just repeating the Fox noise and O'Really's talking points given to them from the big Dick.

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OUGwave Wrote:If military strategists made all decisions based on that logic, you'd never see any strategic retreats at all. I mean, by this logic, Pickett's Charge was a good idea. The seige of Stalingrad was a good idea. These decisions to fight on when victory was impossible cost armies the wider war.

:edited T-Monay820:

OUGwave Wrote:The seige of Stalingrad was a good idea. These decisions to fight on when victory was impossible cost armies the wider war.

Actually, to nit pick: It wasn't that attacking Stalingrad was the wrong idea, it was the battle plan. Hitler refused to yield any field command to even his most capable General, von Manstein, and refused to reallocate troops to necessary locations and weak points of the enemy. He had adopted the mentality that they could not give up any territory, including territory that had no strategic purpose, in exchange for massing where the Soviets were weakest.

Machiavelli Wrote:Today in Japan Cheney tried to spin the UK withdrawal as a positive sign. Southern Iraq was calm enough now for Britain to leave. If this trulywas the case why wouldn't we transfer these forces into Baghdad and try to pacify the situation there. Why not call out Blair for what it is? This administration does NOT SQUARE with the American public. You 28 percenters keep drinkin the kool-aid. Where will we be in August when this surge doesn't work? Scarborough had a list of the things this administration has been wrong about. It would take up too much bandwidth for me to repost it here, but hopefully some of you have been paying attention the last three years and get my meaning. It would be easier to post the things they have been right about. Here they are:

1.....................................................................

sums it up.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2891738

I feel sad for you if you watch Scarborough Country? I wouldn't recommend MSNBC as a news source unless you want to get a load of horse crap. My retarded goldfish has more intelligence than Joe Scarborough.

T-Monay820 Wrote:

OUGwave Wrote:The seige of Stalingrad was a good idea. These decisions to fight on when victory was impossible cost armies the wider war.

Actually, to nit pick: It wasn't that attacking Stalingrad was the wrong idea, it was the battle plan. Hitler refused to yield any field command to even his most capable General, von Manstein, and refused to reallocate troops to necessary locations and weak points of the enemy. He had adopted the mentality that they could not give up any territory, including territory that had no strategic purpose, in exchange for massing where the Soviets were weakest.

Fair enough, but I think my general point stands.

Basra is listed in the top 5 of most dangerous places in Iraq by our OWN PENTAGON. Guys the British leaving is a terrible development. Now when Slovenia and Lithunia pull out their twenty troops. All that will be left of our coalition is Moldovia's 2 troops and the one guy from Botswanna.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/02/22...41848.html

OUGwave Wrote:

T-Monay820 Wrote:

OUGwave Wrote:The seige of Stalingrad was a good idea. These decisions to fight on when victory was impossible cost armies the wider war.

Actually, to nit pick: It wasn't that attacking Stalingrad was the wrong idea, it was the battle plan. Hitler refused to yield any field command to even his most capable General, von Manstein, and refused to reallocate troops to necessary locations and weak points of the enemy. He had adopted the mentality that they could not give up any territory, including territory that had no strategic purpose, in exchange for massing where the Soviets were weakest.

Fair enough, but I think my general point stands.

Yes, I think your point still stands. There are times when it's smarter to give up territory to keep your army in the fight and put them in the most advantageous positions.

So I take you think we should "strategically redeploy", to Okinawa ? And so what if Al-Qaeda sees this as another sign of American weakness, the "paper tiger" as Osama views us confirmed. This is exactly why they decided to attack the most powerful nation with the most powerful military ever on 9/11....our lack of will. Because without out a backbone to stick to commitments and use our power it makes that power impotent(as Osama described it) and the people of the world will begin to not see the US as an Omnipotent power anymore.

Quote: when people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature, they will like the strong horse. This is only one goal[----Osama Bin Laden 2001

So would the US be seen as the Strong Horse or the Weak Horse if we redeploy? Which people will be drawn to which

Tis' better to declare victory and go ................ than to stay and remove all doubt of victory. We can not win a civil war playing referee. We are only doing the Shia's job if we stay. We are tipping the balance of power with our presence there. Chalabi and his ilk convinced the neocons into thy bidding. The sooner we leave the better it will be for all involved. Right now you have a defacto war between the House of Saud and Tehran.

If we retreat, on top of all the over effects of projecting American Weakness and vulnerability that I already mentioned.....is it will start something far worse. The al-sadr's(backed by Iran) would attempt to commit massive Genocide against the Sunni's and that would effectively get rid of Al-qaeda in Iraq(this is how what Murtha says would happen if we left would actualy happen: genocide), except that before that happens Saudi Arabia would step in to protect the Sunni's thus aligning them with Al-Qaeda while being at full blown war with Iran. just what the civilized word needs, not. What would this do to the world's oil prices?

The Democrats/Liberals/Media are trying to label the Iraq war the Republicans war or bush's war, even though they voted for it and even started the policy of regime change in Iraq in 1998. all for cheap political gain.

some RINO's are trying to call it "bush's war" for similar reasons.

The Rest of the World sees it as America's War and are watching very closely.

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"Experience proves that the man who obstructs a war in which his nation is engaged, no matter whether right or wrong, occupies no enviable place in life or history. Better for him, individually, to advocate 'war, pestilence, and famine' than to act as obstructionist to a war already begun.... The most favorable posthumous history the stay-at-home traitor can hope for is -- oblivion."

~~ Ulysses S. Grant, Personal Memoirs

GGniner Wrote:The Democrats/Liberals/Media are trying to label the Iraq war the Republicans war or bush's war, even though they voted for it and even started the policy of regime change in Iraq in 1998. all for cheap political gain.

some RINO's are trying to call it "bush's war" for similar reasons.

The Rest of the World sees it as America's War and are watching very closely.

Quote:
"Experience proves that the man who obstructs a war in which his nation is engaged, no matter whether right or wrong, occupies no enviable place in life or history. Better for him, individually, to advocate 'war, pestilence, and famine' than to act as obstructionist to a war already begun.... The most favorable posthumous history the stay-at-home traitor can hope for is -- oblivion."

~~ Ulysses S. Grant, Personal Memoirs

Ulysses S. Grant knew who he was fighting.

Machiavelli Wrote:Basra is listed in the top 5 of most dangerous places in Iraq by our OWN PENTAGON. Guys the British leaving is a terrible development. Now when Slovenia and Lithunia pull out their twenty troops. All that will be left of our coalition is Moldovia's 2 troops and the one guy from Botswanna.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/02/22...41848.html

80% of that attacks in Iraq are within a 30 miles of Baghdad....what does this tell you about Basra?

Quote:"Anybody who studies Iraq for five minutes,knows that controlling Baghdad is infinitely more challenging than controlling Basra in the south. That is the reason why the Americans are increasing their numbers and the reason why, because of the relative improvement in Basra, the British are reducing their numbers." --- Prime Minister Howard

Hey Howard...................


How about sending those boys from Basra to Baghdad to help out then!!!!!!

No kidding