blah Wrote:Mumbling B.S. doesn't count as speaking in tongues. Bring along some poison and have them drink it. It they are really possessed by the spirit they won't have any trouble. I bet that they won't partake though.

Reminded me of a little anecdote when a buddy and I were in Amsterdam a couple years back. Our first night there we found an Iraqi refugee, looked about 17, who offers to give us a little tour, either the coffee shops or the red light district. Since we had already found some coffee shops we asked for the red light tour. This little kid walked us around so fast we could hardly keep up. At the end we thanked him and gave him the amount of money we agreed upon, but he kept pestering us for more. We felt sorry for him so we gave him another 5, but he still wouldn't leave us alone so we offered to buy him a drink. Fortunately he was Muslim so he couldn't enter a bar. Lesson learned, the easiest way to get rid a of an annoying Muslim is to walk into a bar.

blah Wrote:One last question. Seeing as prophesy is also listed as one of the gifts, along with speaking in tongues, can you identify any modern day prophets?

I have talked to numerous people who have brought messages of prophesy. Does that make them a prophet? I guess so. On multiple occassions I have heard something along the lines of "God is going to do ______," and it came to pass, so I would say that those would be prophetic messages.

One of the big problems with the American church, is that we live such a luxurious lifestyle that we have forsaken God's power. I refuse to forsake any of the "Gifts of the Spirit". They were never taken away, we just refuse to believe.

Fanatical Wrote:

blah Wrote:Mumbling B.S. doesn't count as speaking in tongues. Bring along some poison and have them drink it. It they are really possessed by the spirit they won't have any trouble. I bet that they won't partake though.

Reminded me of a little anecdote when a buddy and I were in Amsterdam a couple years back. Our first night there we found an Iraqi refugee, looked about 17, who offers to give us a little tour, either the coffee shops or the red light district. Since we had already found some coffee shops we asked for the red light tour. This little kid walked us around so fast we could hardly keep up. At the end we thanked him and gave him the amount of money we agreed upon, but he kept pestering us for more. We felt sorry for him so we gave him another 5, but he still wouldn't leave us alone so we offered to buy him a drink. Fortunately he was Muslim so he couldn't enter a bar. Lesson learned, the easiest way to get rid a of an annoying Muslim is to walk into a bar.

Please clarify. You indulged in a beer after your tour of the red light district was finished and that was it?

GrayBeard Wrote:

blah Wrote:One last question. Seeing as prophesy is also listed as one of the gifts, along with speaking in tongues, can you identify any modern day prophets?

I have talked to numerous people who have brought messages of prophesy. Does that make them a prophet? I guess so. On multiple occassions I have heard something along the lines of "God is going to do ______," and it came to pass, so I would say that those would be prophetic messages.

One of the big problems with the American church, is that we live such a luxurious lifestyle that we have forsaken God's power. I refuse to forsake any of the "Gifts of the Spirit". They were never taken away, we just refuse to believe.

I have to agree. I not one to go around to different ministries seeking "words" but since I've been involved in some home groups the past 5 years they bring these prophetic people in. Oh yeah sure there are some whackos, but the ones that have ministered to me were doing it by the power of the Holy Spirit. These people knew things about me that they couldn't possibly have known. They had never seen me before in my life. One "word" was for my brother's son who lives 1,000 miles away. And he identified him by his name--not "your brother's son". They are always encouraging and uplifting words--even if the world is in reference to dealing with sin in your life. But the generalized words that people speak in church at times you could question. For instance, "Yeah, verify saith the Lord from this time forth this church shall arise and go forth and shall be a light unto many nations....." When a Christian with a prophetic gift speaks a word to you, it is very direct and he or she identifies issues in your life that you are dealing with and describes circumstances you are dealing with. It's stuff these people could not possibly know about me and the benefit of it is that the Lord God is confirming to you (through the prophet) the direction your life should take and how you should approach issues you are dealing with. It is a usually a confirmation of what you already know. I never think people should substitute getting on their knees and praying and seeking the Lord's direction in the life for getting "words" from people with prophetic gitfts. To do this is an abuse and that individual probably wont put forth the effort to change direction anyway. My 2 cents.

Endzone2 Wrote:

GrayBeard Wrote:

blah Wrote:One last question. Seeing as prophesy is also listed as one of the gifts, along with speaking in tongues, can you identify any modern day prophets?

I have talked to numerous people who have brought messages of prophesy. Does that make them a prophet? I guess so. On multiple occassions I have heard something along the lines of "God is going to do ______," and it came to pass, so I would say that those would be prophetic messages.

One of the big problems with the American church, is that we live such a luxurious lifestyle that we have forsaken God's power. I refuse to forsake any of the "Gifts of the Spirit". They were never taken away, we just refuse to believe.

I have to agree. I not one to go around to different ministries seeking "words" but since I've been involved in some home groups the past 5 years they bring these prophetic people in. Oh yeah sure there are some whackos, but the ones that have ministered to me were doing it by the power of the Holy Spirit. These people knew things about me that they couldn't possibly have known. They had never seen me before in my life. One "word" was for my brother's son who lives 1,000 miles away. And he identified him by his name--not "your brother's son". They are always encouraging and uplifting words--even if the world is in reference to dealing with sin in your life. But the generalized words that people speak in church at times you could question. For instance, "Yeah, verify saith the Lord from this time forth this church shall arise and go forth and shall be a light unto many nations....." When a Christian with a prophetic gift speaks a word to you, it is very direct and he or she identifies issues in your life that you are dealing with and describes circumstances you are dealing with. It's stuff these people could not possibly know about me and the benefit of it is that the Lord God is confirming to you (through the prophet) the direction your life should take and how you should approach issues you are dealing with. It is a usually a confirmation of what you already know. I never think people should substitute getting on their knees and praying and seeking the Lord's direction in the life for getting "words" from people with prophetic gitfts. To do this is an abuse and that individual probably wont put forth the effort to change direction anyway. My 2 cents.

sounds like psychics to me endzone...a little pagan, eh?

GrayBeard Wrote:I have talked to numerous people who have brought messages of prophesy. Does that make them a prophet? I guess so. On multiple occassions I have heard something along the lines of "God is going to do ______," and it came to pass, so I would say that those would be prophetic messages.

Sorry I'm coming to this thread so late.

Do you have any specific examples? James Randi offers a million dollar prize to anyone who can prove and paranormal abilities. Psychics/Prophets do not even have to explain how they get their message, they just have to prove that their predictions can beat chance guessing.

Bourgeois_Rage Wrote:

GrayBeard Wrote:I have talked to numerous people who have brought messages of prophesy. Does that make them a prophet? I guess so. On multiple occassions I have heard something along the lines of "God is going to do ______," and it came to pass, so I would say that those would be prophetic messages.

Sorry I'm coming to this thread so late.

Do you have any specific examples? James Randi offers a million dollar prize to anyone who can prove and paranormal abilities. Psychics/Prophets do not even have to explain how they get their message, they just have to prove that their predictions can beat chance guessing.

I agree. I would be very interested in this. Making one guess and getting it right doesn't make you a prophet in my eyes. Would you consider Pat Robertson (sp?) a prophet? For me if you make even one mistake and are right 99% of the time, you are a false prophet.

blah Wrote:

Bourgeois_Rage Wrote:

GrayBeard Wrote:I have talked to numerous people who have brought messages of prophesy. Does that make them a prophet? I guess so. On multiple occassions I have heard something along the lines of "God is going to do ______," and it came to pass, so I would say that those would be prophetic messages.

Sorry I'm coming to this thread so late.

Do you have any specific examples? James Randi offers a million dollar prize to anyone who can prove and paranormal abilities. Psychics/Prophets do not even have to explain how they get their message, they just have to prove that their predictions can beat chance guessing.

I agree. I would be very interested in this. Making one guess and getting it right doesn't make you a prophet in my eyes. Would you consider Pat Robertson (sp?) a prophet? For me if you make even one mistake and are right 99% of the time, you are a false prophet.

I'm not calling anyone a prophet, but I am saying that there is still a gift of prophesy. You guys are reading way too much into what I am saying. Prophesy is not a cheap parlor trick, but it happens when God reveals "a word" to someone about a future or current event.

GrayBeard Wrote:

blah Wrote:

Bourgeois_Rage Wrote:

GrayBeard Wrote:I have talked to numerous people who have brought messages of prophesy. Does that make them a prophet? I guess so. On multiple occassions I have heard something along the lines of "God is going to do ______," and it came to pass, so I would say that those would be prophetic messages.

Sorry I'm coming to this thread so late.

Do you have any specific examples? James Randi offers a million dollar prize to anyone who can prove and paranormal abilities. Psychics/Prophets do not even have to explain how they get their message, they just have to prove that their predictions can beat chance guessing.

I agree. I would be very interested in this. Making one guess and getting it right doesn't make you a prophet in my eyes. Would you consider Pat Robertson (sp?) a prophet? For me if you make even one mistake and are right 99% of the time, you are a false prophet.

I'm not calling anyone a prophet, but I am saying that there is still a gift of prophesy. You guys are reading way too much into what I am saying. Prophesy is not a cheap parlor trick, but it happens when God reveals "a word" to someone about a future or current event.

But if they are not prophets, how does one determine if what is being uttered is a true prophetic message or not? Wait until it comes true? That seems pretty worthless. Why then would God give this gift if it wasn't usable. If you look back through the Bible the true prophetic messages are uttered from prophets in a very detailed way and are always used to further God's plan.

GrayBeard Wrote:I'm not calling anyone a prophet, but I am saying that there is still a gift of prophesy. You guys are reading way too much into what I am saying. Prophesy is not a cheap parlor trick, but it happens when God reveals "a word" to someone about a future or current event.

You made the claim that you know of someone who has he ability to make prophesies. All I want is a name or example. How is that reading too much into your statement?

there is no moral equivalency between Radical islam and Christianity, period.

If you would educate yourselves, you would find children, yes children, in Palestine and throughout the middle east being brainwashed by a death cult. MEMRI has tons of videos of little school children talking about drinking the blood of George Bush and Ariel Sharon, and how they are big and little satan. Then on how they can not wait to become suicide bombers....you people that try to dumb this down by equating the two are suicidally dangerous to us all.


Islam is a religion, a rule of law(sharia) and its own form of government in its Radical form, this is why Islamofascist is quite appropriate and why "christofascist" is an idiotic comparison.

GrayBeard Wrote:

niuhuskie84 Wrote:yea, fundamental christians arent brainwashed at all

I watched that video (the original link doesn't exist anymore), and I really don't see what you guys are getting all bent out of shape over. So, they were praying over the President. Big Deal. What is wrong with that? I realize that it was a cardboard cutout, but the intent was fine. Being a children's Sunday School Teacher for kids around that age, I can tell you that giving them something visual helps them understand and focus, thus the cut out.

The one thing that did bother me was the lady speaking in tongues. Do I believe in speaking in tongues? Yes I do. Is everyone that does it honestly speaking in tongues? I don't think so. Now, she may have actually been saying a prayer in Hebrew (I know several people that do this and they call it speaking in tongues, but I call it talking in Hebrew). Honestly, I don't know what she was doing, so I will leave that between her and God.

So what is the problem again?

I believe in the gift of tongues among the church, but I think the problem in some of our churches today is that everyone is doing it, like the problem the Corinthians had. Paul lays out guidelines and such for this gift to the church of Corinth in 1 Corinthians mainly chapter 14.