Long article, but very interesting and articulate. Covers the "issues" and why you can't tell a republican from a democrat on the issue. Writer predicts death of republican party in 20 years.

http://www.intellectualconservative.com/...the-whigs/

Actually, the differences are pretty stark. I'll admit that there are some "moderate" blue-state Republicans that are running from the traditional conservative values, but they're doing what they feel they have to do to get elected.

It's capitalism vs. Marxism
It's nationalism vs. globalism
It's tax relief for Americans vs. more welfare spending
It's individualism vs. collectivism
It's about who should be the ultimate authority in America, the U.S. Constitution or the United Nations?

Some were predicting the end of the Democrats just 9 months ago. Let's not get too hasty.

Quote:It's capitalism vs. Marxism

The federal government controls every aspect of U.S. industry--even telling the producers of swiss cheese the size that the holes must be in the cheese.

Quote:It's nationalism vs. globalism

Bush is the ultimate personification of a globalist. 4,000 illegals cross our border every day and the purpose is to hold down wages for his buddies who run corporate America. Of course he is extincting his own party by doing so, but doesn't care.

Quote:It's tax relief for Americans vs. more welfare spending

Bush has increased the amount of money in the budget for section 8 housing and other bogus education programs. The federal deficet and spending went ballistic under his watch.

Quote:It's individualism vs. collectivism

We are continusously losing our freedoms in America whether it be under a republican or democratic president.

Quote:It's about who should be the ultimate authority in America, the U.S. Constitution or the United Nations?

I thought one of the duties described in our constitution was to protect and secure our borders. I guess what Mexico wants is the ultimate authority and not the U.S.

I'll agree in theory that's what the Republican party has stood for, but no more. They have become a centerist party that has made them almost indistinguishable from the democrats. Please tell me which party I should vote for 2008 that will REALLY secure our border with Mexico?

The majority of Republicans still believe in these values:

free trade
capitalism
Judeo/Christian ethics
Pro-life
Lower taxes
Less regulation
Nationalism
Secure borders

The republicans sold themselves out to get the White House; they knew Bush wasn't a true conservative in 2000, but they needed someone who could win some swing states. Unfortunately, the political center has shifted to the left; what was called moderate 10 years ago is now called conservative. You see, the Republicans may have controlled the Congress from 1994-2006, but they never really had a true majority, because of the Republicans in Name Only, such as Chafee, Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe, etc.

Bush has been a disappointment for many conservatives, but what's the real choice in 2008? It's not Dems vs. Bush. Bush is done. The question is which party is best for national security.... the one that has tried to fight the terrorists vs. the one that doesn't really believe there is a terrorist threat.

It's like saying "I'm mad at Bush because he didn't get us as large a tax cut as he promised....so I'm going to vote for the Dems in 2008...who have made it abundantly clear that they will raise taxes. It makes no sense.

It's more important than ever that we get strict constructionists appointed to the courts. Bush has done that twice. If Gore or Kerry had been in office, they would have appointed 2 more Ruth Bader Ginsburgs.

The courts are the only thing standing in the way of more gov't intrusion into our lifes. We need judges that will look at the "original intent" of the constitution rather than try to legislate from the bench. Bush is a success in that he's appointed 2 strict constructionists to the supreme court.

At least with the GOP majority you have a 30% chance of getting relevant immigration reform/border security, with the Dems there would be 0 chance....they'd love to get millions more illegals on the welfare rolls, into the unions, and into the voting booth. They thrive on dependency. Those that get a check from the gov't tend to vote for the party that got them that check.

Quote:Bush has been a disappointment for many conservatives, but what's the real choice in 2008?

Well I appreciate your honesty and I think your assesments of the parties are correct. To answer your question my choice will probably be just as real in 2008 as it was in 2004. And that is, I just really didn't vote. Can the republicans win 2008 if a large group of the Christian right stays home? I don't think so. And if it's just business as usual with Mexico, that's exactly what I'm going to do. I live in Texas. I go to the coin operated laundromat where all the Mexicans are. I see how they act when they are the majority. It ain't gonna be pretty.

If you stay home and don't vote because you're mad at Bush when he's not even on the ticket in 2008, then you'll be enabling the very thing you're so upset about. If we can get a TRUE conservative in the WH and a republican majority in congress, then I think some action will be taken on the border situation.

If guys like you don't vote in the next election, get ready for a new wave of illegals in Texas. What do you think's gonna happen when the Dems have the White House and the Congress? They will only expand the benefits to illegals...more free health care, social security benefits, medicaid, more food stamps, more aid for dependent children, more burden on your state's budget and taxpayers. Wait til the Mexicans realize that Hillary has pushed through a national health care program....it'll be a jailbreak for the border to get more free stuff. And you'll be taxed bigtime for it.

i think i'll be heading south for the cheap land. ;-)

ecu92 Wrote:If you stay home and don't vote because you're mad at Bush when he's not even on the ticket in 2008, then you'll be enabling the very thing you're so upset about. If we can get a TRUE conservative in the WH and a republican majority in congress, then I think some action will be taken on the border situation.

If guys like you don't vote in the next election, get ready for a new wave of illegals in Texas. What do you think's gonna happen when the Dems have the White House and the Congress? They will only expand the benefits to illegals...more free health care, social security benefits, medicaid, more food stamps, more aid for dependent children, more burden on your state's budget and taxpayers. Wait til the Mexicans realize that Hillary has pushed through a national health care program....it'll be a jailbreak for the border to get more free stuff. And you'll be taxed bigtime for it.

Yeah, and even more arrogant Mexicans at the laundromat to have to deal with. And whatta you wanna bet that when there is a serious conflict and I call the police, the cop will take me away and I will charged with a hate crime and the illegal wont even be checked out. I guess it could get that bad.

Still if there isn't a candidate that takes a hard stand on the border issue, I'm not voting. These are very serious times and it just can't be business as usual anymore. I've been looking for a job on a web site called simplyhired.com. It seems that all jobs for electronic technicians have now become service jobs. We don't manufacture much in the world of electronics here anymore. And a lot of the job shopper companies (you know the contract manfacturing companies that have the SMT machines, etc.) are foreign owned. Things are getting serious in this country. There is a wider gulf between the haves and have-nots. The middle class is going bye bye. It really seems lost to me unless God Himself raises up a man to make serious changes. I don't think it's possible at the republican or democrat level. Still I'm optomistic, but I'm always trying to be realistic.

Also to the younger generation I have a word of advice. You better get at least a 4-year degree and hopefully in something in demand like engineering or computer science or architecture, etc. Jobs in manufacturing at the technician level are eroding and the trades/crafts are being replaced by Mexicans making 8 to 10/hour. And the unskilled uneducated 15 to 20/hour jobs like there used to be at Miller Brewing and Briggs & Stratton have been gone for sometime now. And if any of the job do still happen to be around, they are reserved for blacks so that companies call fill their affirmative action requirments, etc.

endzone my degree is gonna be in international business.