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Envy
Star Parker: What's envy worth?

Rich Dems should mind their own business and stop meddling in ours.


Now that Democrats are back in power, it's hard to open a newspaper or watch the news without hearing about the "income gap" or the "wealth gap."

Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., who will take over as chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, says he wants to hold hearing on "How do you do a better job of sharing overall economic growth with the average worker?" and calls this the "No. 1 problem" facing the country. Perhaps Mr. Frank should check with his colleagues on Capitol Hill, who seem to be surviving the assault on working Americans quite well.

Roll Call newspaper has just completed its annual survey of the 50 wealthiest members of Congress. The cutoff at No. 50, at $4.67 million, is up 12 percent from last year's survey.

The top four wealthiest members are all Mr. Frank's fellow Democrats: John Kerry ($750 million), Herb Kohl ($243 million), Jay Rockefeller ($200 million) and Jane Harman ($172 million).

The top five would have been Democrats, but John Corzine ($262 million) departed the Senate to become governor of New Jersey.

New Speaker Nancy Pelosi comes in at No. 15, at a paltry $14.25 million net worth. How about Hillary Clinton? No. 25 at $10.05 million.

Illinois Democrat Rahm Emmanuel, who wants to scrutinize executive compensation and champion activist government for the poor and middle class, is worth $8.52 million.

Two relevant questions to ask: Is the stuff about the growing gaps in income and wealth true? And, second, even if it is, does it matter?

Without trying to answer the first question, it is worth pointing out that what the press cranks out daily as gospel is far from accurate.

Cato Institute economist and columnist Alan Reynolds challenges the conventional wisdom a gap exists in a new textbook called Income and Wealth. Mr. Reynolds demonstrates the statistical complications and vagaries in compiling data on income and wealth. He shows that this is a field of dreams for politicians who can come up with whatever they want to and can show whatever they want to show.

Mr. Reynolds thinks that the country is in great shape and that American workers are really the envy of the rest of the world.

Regarding the second question, my answer is that this information is important if what you really care about is what your neighbor has. However, I would suggest that there is a reason that the Tenth Commandment is "Thou Shalt Not Covet."

Fear and envy create wealth for politicians who use these levers, as Democrats want to do now, to activate and grow government as a pretense for solving problems that people can only solve for themselves.

A recently released study by the Goldwater Institute in Arizona examines, state by state, changes in the rates of poverty from 1990 to 2000.

The study shows that in the last decade, the 10 states with the lowest per capita government spending had an 11.2 percent decline in poverty rates and the 10 states with the highest per capita spending had a 7.3 percent increase in poverty rates.

The 10 states with the lowest levels of taxation had a 13.7 percent decline in poverty rates and the 10 states with the highest level of taxation had a 3.04 percent increase.

Individuals who work create jobs. It's an issue of freedom and values, not social engineering.

What can politicians do? Help get government out of the way.

If the newly crowned Democrats want to do better than Republicans, they should start with education. Barney Frank thinks that the nation's No. 1 problem is worrying what everyone else is earning. The nation's No. 1 problem is the public school monopoly and what it is doing to inner-city kids.

Bust the public school monopoly. Get more freedom in education. This is what Democrats can do to help.

Syndicated columnist Star Parker is a regular commentator on CNN, MSNBC, and FOX News as well as author of "White Ghetto: How Middle Class America Reflects Inner City Decay." She can be contacted through http://www.urbancure.org.


John Kerry $750 million

Herb Kohl $243 million

Jay Rockefeller $200 million

Jane Harman $172 million



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I have always been an advocate of lower taxes. This is the biggest single reason I tend to vote for and support the Republicans, despite disagreement on numerous "smaller" issues. The data presented in this article tends to support the case for lowering taxes.

Just about all the members of congress, Republican, Democrat, or Independent, are wealthy. All of them are getting wealthier while they preform their "public service". But only one group of them is using slogans like "tax breaks for the rich" while actually using those tax breaks themselves, and that group is the Democrats. John Kerry didn't get his effective tax rate to 11.8% by not using tax breaks.

What irks me is not the use of the tax breaks - they are legal and usually there for a good reason - but the way the Hypocrats try to use them as a weapon by misrepresenting themselves as a champion of the litltle guy against the big guy. Now they are talking about taxing big oil. A lot of ignorant people who see themselves as small guys think thtt's good - tax the big guy, leave me alone. How many of you educated, well-informed people on this board think the little guy won't end up paying those taxes at the pump, or in some other way? Yet the Hypocrats keep hammering the class warfare angle, even though they know it will end up coming out of the pockets of the consumer. I find this disgusting.

I don't advocate the abolition of taxes. Clearly they are a neccesary evil, but i think the balance point between what is needed and what is asked is much lower than current levels.

I think the current income and estate taxes should be junked, and replaced with a national consumption tax. There is already a collection appartus in place in most states that the Feds could piggyback on cheaply. To make the tax less regressive, I would exempt groceries, gasoline, and medical supplies/services.

Social Security and medicare taxes must be retained. That ship has left the docks.
12-15-2006 12:45 PM
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Great column, and they nailed the vice: envy.

I've been stunned w/ how envious people are of others. My homeschool child doesn't take a standardized test? "UNFAIR! If my kid does it, yours should too!" Unbelievable.

SF's rants on taxation and poverty bespoke this very thing. He could never provide support for the progressive tax, other than "That's how it was always done."

The evidence that lower taxes lead to lower poverty is an idictment on the Dems. I am not joking when I say that they create problems in order to campaign about them. The fact that people vote for this rhetoric goes back to envy.
12-15-2006 01:06 PM
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Quote:I think the current income and estate taxes should be junked, and replaced with a national consumption tax. There is already a collection appartus in place in most states that the Feds could piggyback on cheaply. To make the tax less regressive, I would exempt groceries, gasoline, and medical supplies/services.

I concur on the 1st part. Our income tax code makes absolutely no sense. Get rid of exemptions and loop holes. Stop taxing prosperity. Quit penalizing hard work. I worked a second job 7 years ago to pay for my down payment on my 1st house. I worked at a hotel 30 hours a week. I worked at the desk. Graded all my papers. Did the house laundry. There was a ton of down time. Now I was dragging tail end, but I wanted to better my family. I didn't have any taxes taken out and I made my 7000 for the down payment working for 7.25. When I did my taxes the next year I lost a third of it to taxes. I was pissed. They shouldn't penalize a guy that much for trying to better his family.

I do have a problem fully exempting estate taxes though (as does Buffet and many others). Because your not replacing them with anything. THE VERY reason were going to hell in a handbasket is this run away spending without comparable means of taxing. WTF happened to the balanced budget amendment btw.

I know rambling especially from me,
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Quote:My homeschool child doesn't take a standardized test? "UNFAIR! If my kid does it, yours should too!" Unbelievable

Why wouldn't you want your kid to take it? I'm confused. It could show where he is exceling and where he is not up to standard. Would you mind clarifying that statement.
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Machiavelli Wrote:
Quote:My homeschool child doesn't take a standardized test? "UNFAIR! If my kid does it, yours should too!" Unbelievable

Why wouldn't you want your kid to take it? I'm confused. It could show where he is exceling and where he is not up to standard. Would you mind clarifying that statement.

Schedule. Because my local school district gets "credit" for his score. Because our educational style may not match with the standardized test.

Regardless of my reasons, it's called "freedom". Why should anyone else be concerned if we raise our child not following their protocol?
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With that line of thinking. Why couldn't every parent not opt out of the "Graduation Test" In Ohio you have to pass the test to graduate. Maybe these same kids should get that Freedom. Interesting
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Machiavelli Wrote:With that line of thinking. Why couldn't every parent not opt out of the "Graduation Test"

I'm talking about elementary school testing.

I actually support a Graduation Test, even for homeschoolers. If you're going to claim that you're a HS graduate, that should meet some universal standard.
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O.K.


But I could even see the benefit of having my home schooled kid tested to see where he is at.
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DrTorch Wrote:
Machiavelli Wrote:With that line of thinking. Why couldn't every parent not opt out of the "Graduation Test"

I'm talking about elementary school testing.

I actually support a Graduation Test, even for homeschoolers. If you're going to claim that you're a HS graduate, that should meet some universal standard.
Torch, isn't that thinking somewhat hypocritical.

You say there should be a universal standard for a high school diploma, but I am sure your elementary school tests are like ours where if a child fails a standardized test for that grade, they are retained. If not let me know.

I know I am against standardized testing. My wife is a teacher and she is so handcuffed by "teaching the test" that she can't teach the students anything but the test.
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uhmump95 Wrote:
DrTorch Wrote:
Machiavelli Wrote:With that line of thinking. Why couldn't every parent not opt out of the "Graduation Test"

I'm talking about elementary school testing.

I actually support a Graduation Test, even for homeschoolers. If you're going to claim that you're a HS graduate, that should meet some universal standard.
Torch, isn't that thinking somewhat hypocritical.

You say there should be a universal standard for a high school diploma, but I am sure your elementary school tests are like ours where if a child fails a standardized test for that grade, they are retained. If not let me know.

I don't think so. I can't say for sure, but I don't think elementary school kids are held back strictly on Standards of Learning tests.

We still have to demonstrate progress, but there are options on how to do it.

Also, what is crossing my mind is not basic functionality but more esoteric subjects. For example my kid is weak on geography, but off the charts on history and reading.

So if he picks up geography in an order different from the neighborhood school, is that a problem?

And what does "holding him back" mean for homeschooling? Public schools demand to take over? That's frightening, if he can read, write and do math.

Dogger- Certainly there can be some benefits to taking the standardized test. But, that wasn't the issue.
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Machiavelli Wrote:
Quote:I think the current income and estate taxes should be junked, and replaced with a national consumption tax. There is already a collection appartus in place in most states that the Feds could piggyback on cheaply. To make the tax less regressive, I would exempt groceries, gasoline, and medical supplies/services.
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I do have a problem fully exempting estate taxes though (as does Buffet and many others). Because your not replacing them with anything. THE VERY reason were going to hell in a handbasket is this run away spending without comparable means of taxing. WTF happened to the balanced budget amendment btw.

I know rambling especially from me,


I AM replacing the estate tax, with the consumption tax. There are a lot of good reasons why the estate tax should be junked. The only one I will repeat here is that it is just another piece of the class warfare engendered by the Democrats. But if you really want more reasons, go into the archives a few months back, to a thread I started titled "Estate Taxes".

Why is there something wrong with a person's family inheriting his estate?
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Machiavelli Wrote:THE VERY reason were going to hell in a handbasket is this run away spending without comparable means of taxing. WTF happened to the balanced budget amendment btw.

Who says we're going to hell in a handbasket?
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As I was picking up my kid from day care I thought about the estate tax. I've heard people call it in the past "the voluntary tax". Most people with half a brain, and if they are leaving their kids a sizable estate I bet they do, can escape the tax. So, I can see your point Owl.

I just want to pay as we go. I want a balanced budget. The thing I really can't stand about some of you guys is you want the tax cuts and you want to spend more. Clinton put us on the path of fiscal responsibility. Credit goes to the Republican House and Senate also, but those same guys walked lock step in this path of record deficits. So I guess the lion's share of the credit should go to Clinton, IMHO.
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Machiavelli Wrote:I just want to pay as we go. I want a balanced budget. The thing I really can't stand about some of you guys is you want the tax cuts and you want to spend more.

Tax cuts result in increased tax revenues, in the long run. So, to a limited extent, and in the long run, maybe tax cuts can work with increased spending - later.

I think the problem is the disconnect between income and spending. I was once called to a creditor's meeting. The company had been run by two partners. One handled buying, the other sales. Maybe they should have worked together. It is an example of what happens with government.

A balanced budget is a good thing( a surplus is better), but there are times when it cannot, and should not, be done. Wartime is one example. WWII was fought on debt. We are at war now. I can just see the next president saying to a foreign country, "We are going to declare war on you if you don't stop what you are doing, and ifwe have the cash. Hold the phone while I call my accountant."

A lot of people run their own house on a balanced budget - I suspect everyone on this forum does. But when a project comes up that requires extradinary expenditure, we borrow. Small ones, like a new computer, may result in a a bulge in credit card balances for a few months. Others, like a house or car, may result in long term payments. But they would all be impossible if we all individually had to live according to a balanced budget amendment.

As for Clinton, the economic expansion was in its second year when he took the oath of office, and the recession was in its second year when Bush took his oath of office. The so called "Clinton years" could have been the "Yellow Dog years" had we elected a yellow dog instead. Just because I'm sitting on my porch when the sun rises doesn't mean i caused it. I will say that Clinton didn't do a lot to hurt the expansion, although he did try once. He sure could have done a lot worse.
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