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Astros Trade for Jason Jennings
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Damn, Hirsh, Taveras and Bucholtz?? They got ripped off imo even though I think Hirsh was severely overrated.
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12-12-2006 07:08 PM |
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ripped off? the rockies got ripped off. Jennings is a damn good pitcher. those 3 guys vary from crap, to mediocre.
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12-12-2006 07:30 PM |
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Who are the 'stros going to put in center field? They essentially traded two of their starters and there center fielder/leadoff man for a slighty above average pitcher. IMO it doesn't add up to a good deal.
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12-12-2006 07:52 PM |
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my guess would be that they play Burke in center field this year and bat leadoff. Then move him to 2nd base next year after Biggio retires
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12-12-2006 07:56 PM |
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it's not like they were going anywhere this year. They got rid of two awful pitchers and a CF with a non existent OBP to get a very good 15 win caliber pitcher.
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Horrible trade for the Astros. Hirsh is a stud and Buchholz could be a solid middle of the rotation starter. Not to mention they got rid of their one legitimate speed threat. Jennings is good, but they gave up too much.
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12-12-2006 11:00 PM |
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flyingswoosh Wrote:They got rid of two awful pitchers
Awful? Based on their limited major league opportunities? Give them a chance. Hirsh really has a good arm.
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12-12-2006 11:02 PM |
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GDawgs88 Wrote:flyingswoosh Wrote:They got rid of two awful pitchers
Awful? Based on their limited major league opportunities? Give them a chance. Hirsh really has a good arm.
hirsh has an awful arm, have you ever seen him pitch? i saw him live and i was less than impressed. his fastball has nothing and his breaking stuff is below average. bucholz is a #5 at best and taveras can be replaced. jennings can be a #2 and he's only 28. The one thing i didn't recognize is, this is jennings walk year, so the astros might lose him.
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12-13-2006 09:44 AM |
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flyingswoosh Wrote:hirsh has an awful arm, have you ever seen him pitch? i saw him live and i was less than impressed. his fastball has nothing and his breaking stuff is below average.
He throws in the 91-94 range so I wouldn't say he's got nothing on his fastball. His curveball is really good. The scouts rave about it. And he's got a great minor league pedigree.
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12-13-2006 03:21 PM |
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GDawgs88 Wrote:flyingswoosh Wrote:hirsh has an awful arm, have you ever seen him pitch? i saw him live and i was less than impressed. his fastball has nothing and his breaking stuff is below average.
He throws in the 91-94 range so I wouldn't say he's got nothing on his fastball. His curveball is really good. The scouts rave about it. And he's got a great minor league pedigree.
first off, he doesn't throw that hard, secondly the scouts are wrong about his curve, it's less than special.
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12-13-2006 05:18 PM |
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Ok, so Im really going to depend on your opinion over those who get paid to scout baseball.
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12-13-2006 05:38 PM |
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Terpy Wrote:Ok, so Im really going to depend on your opinion over those who get paid to scout baseball.
oh yeah, i forgot, scouts are never wrong
i remember when the scouts said jesse foppert threw mid to upper 90's. when the giants called him up, he was throwing 92 at best. So excuse me if i don't always believe the scouts. BTW, 91-92, is not throwing hard. Everyone throws that nowadays.
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12-13-2006 06:41 PM |
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Well, actually I was talking about your comment about his curve, which is much more subjective then velocity on a fastball, which is quantitative.
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12-13-2006 07:01 PM |
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Terpy Wrote:Well, actually I was talking about your comment about his curve, which is much more subjective then velocity on a fastball, which is quantitative.
oh, well yeah i could be wrong. But my dad and i were behind home plate, which is a good spot to be, in order to evaluate a righty's curve.
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12-13-2006 07:42 PM |
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flyingswoosh Wrote:BTW, 91-92, is not throwing hard. Everyone throws that nowadays.
Actually I've heard that he tops out at 94.
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12-14-2006 12:35 AM |
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GDawgs88 Wrote:flyingswoosh Wrote:BTW, 91-92, is not throwing hard. Everyone throws that nowadays.
Actually I've heard that he tops out at 94.
when they say that, it means they think he hit 94 once in a game.
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12-14-2006 09:21 AM |
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I don't think there was a way the Astros could trade for a good starting pitcher without giving up Hirsh and Tavaras or Burke. So overall I think i'm happy about the trade. I know about a month the Rockies were interested in Burke for a Jennings deal and I am glad that did not happen.
I am going to see how it all plays out this season, but I am optimistic about the Astros this year.
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12-14-2006 10:12 AM |
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flyingswoosh Wrote:GDawgs88 Wrote:flyingswoosh Wrote:BTW, 91-92, is not throwing hard. Everyone throws that nowadays.
Actually I've heard that he tops out at 94.
when they say that, it means they think he hit 94 once in a game.
But he consistently hits 91-93, which I'll agree isn't that special, but it's not bad either like you said.
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