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GrayBeard Wrote:
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GrayBeard Wrote:I must say that I am astonished that this many people are so concerned about what I will/will not allow in my house.

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I think it is more the why than the what.

It's just a step down from banning action figures as "graven images."

But I still think that you have the right to decide for your children. As do Wiccan parents.

Don't you take away my GI Joe figures, now! They have kung fu grip! lmfao


No really think about it, I took a stand against something that I didn't approve of. I don't want it in my house. Just think of me as a filter and not a censor. A censor just takes stuff away from you. A filter keeps stuff out that you don't want coming in.

I'm not asking the libraries to ban/burn the books. I'm not asking the supreme court to rule against JK Rowlings. I'm not asking for a consititutional ammendment. I'm just filtering what is coming in my house. I am an involved parent who cares what his kids come in contact with.

Good for you. I agree with you in principle, I just think that you are seeing goblins where none exist.

But I still maintain that it is the why. This wouldn't be of any discussibility if you were not banning a popular children's book/movie on religious grounds. It is kind of like the Muslims barring certain books/movies on relgious grounds. It just seems odd to most of us. But what the heck would I know? I still think Huckleberry Finn is OK.
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GrayBeard Wrote:Now as I said before, I was unable to determine the Biblical spin on LOTR, so I can't find out how it is God honoring.
In LOTR. IMO, Aragon symbolizes Jesus coming back to claim his kingdom.

You should read Narnia, there is more symbolism with Aslan, it is very good.
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What is wrong with Huck Finn?
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GrayBeard Wrote:
uhmump95 Wrote:Graybeard,

would your children be allowed to read the Lord of the Rings Trilogy or The Chronicles on Narnia?

I have read all of the Harry Potters and basically in way or another the books rip off pieces of those two classics.

Since you seem to be opposed to the idea of "good witches" I would assume that Sleeping Beauty is off limits in your house as well.

I think you need to lighten up personally.

To be quite honest with you, I have not made up my mind about those. I have read/watched LOTR, and I know that my kids have watched Chronicles of Narnia. I see the portrayal of Jesus in The Chronicles of Narnia, but I get lost in what is Biblical about LOTR. And as far as Sleeping Beauty, is that even around anymore?

So, guys back to the question, why do you think that more an more children are turning to Wicca?

Check out this site: http://lordofthekingdom.com/
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GrayBeard Wrote:What is wrong with Huck Finn?

That book has been taking heat since it was published...the big one is claims of racism: the N word 200 some odd times (even though the plot is overwhelmingly anti-racist), the "character and actions" of the boys, etc ect. Its still being banned to this day from school districts.
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niuhuskie84 Wrote:
GrayBeard Wrote:What is wrong with Huck Finn?

That book has been taking heat since it was published...the big one is claims of racism: the N word 200 some odd times (even though the plot is overwhelmingly anti-racist), the "character and actions" of the boys, etc ect. Its still being banned to this day from school districts.

Too bad. I really like the Huck and Tom books.
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Greybeard, as others have said, you are free to raise your kids as you see fit. I just think you have to choose your battles. Personally, the more battles you wage, the less effective those viewpoints become to your kids, IMHO.
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GrayBeard Wrote:
niuhuskie84 Wrote:
GrayBeard Wrote:What is wrong with Huck Finn?

That book has been taking heat since it was published...the big one is claims of racism: the N word 200 some odd times (even though the plot is overwhelmingly anti-racist), the "character and actions" of the boys, etc ect. Its still being banned to this day from school districts.

Too bad. I really like the Huck and Tom books.

Even the "witchcraft" parts where they do superstitious thnings to cure warts or keep ghosts away?
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uhmump95 Wrote:
GrayBeard Wrote:Now as I said before, I was unable to determine the Biblical spin on LOTR, so I can't find out how it is God honoring.
In LOTR. IMO, Aragon symbolizes Jesus coming back to claim his kingdom.

Sorry, but Tolkein was emphatic that there was NO explicit symbolism (Christian or otherwise) in LOTR.

Quote:You should read Narnia, there is more symbolism with Aslan, it is very good.

OTOH, Lewis was clear that the allegory and symbolism in Narnia was intentional and explicitly Christian.
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GrayBeard Wrote:So, guys back to the question, why do you think that more an more children are turning to Wicca?

Well I gave my answer. Thought it might inspire more of a response.

I believe it lies primarily on the shoulders of the Christian Church.

First, the 20th C Church conservative has rejected many b/c they don't fit into the current agenda. That agenda is more-or-less Bill Bright's "evangelism is everything." I could go on why this is NOT true, but in short, the current conservative church is cutting off its nose to spite its face. Members want to evangelize, but not to make followers of Christ, but rather followers of themselves. Look like, talk like, act like Bill Bright, Dawson Trotman, or John McArthur. I like James Dobson alot, but he's got a bit of this streak in him too.

For the more open, accepting and liberal Christian churches, they have no substance to offer people. Their attendance is plummeting, and it happens each time a denomination changes to be more "open and inviting". They don't have firm beliefs, so in the end, they offer nothing of value to people.

Finally, the Church's rejection of "the secular" in lieu of the "sacred" (a distinction I don't believe is valid) has led to forgoing of most academic discpilines by Christians*. This in turn has opened the doors to post-modernism, where the modern teachings of the renaissance, including logic and sound reasoning, are dropped. Academia is no longer rigorous study, but rather a popularity contest, typically won by the most charming or the most iconoclastic.

Students trained in this environment are free to embrace Wicca, b/c they can mold it to their liking. Exactly what academia does with "knowledge".

*As examples, the Arts, both popular and fine, have been abandoned by mainstream Christianity. Music is one exception, but instead of excellence, churches argue over style. Science has been abandoned by many...evolution has been a key divider, but many "Christians" extol the notion that science is evil, and to be shunned by them. This of course is in contrast to Prov 25:2, among other scripture.
Christians are not encouraged even to be rigorous scholars, a great contrast to the reformation era. Anyone w/ time to study is rather told they should be helping in the church, teaching sunday school, or better yet, evangelizing!
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DrTorch Wrote:
GrayBeard Wrote:So, guys back to the question, why do you think that more an more children are turning to Wicca?

Well I gave my answer. Thought it might inspire more of a response.

I believe it lies primarily on the shoulders of the Christian Church.

First, the 20th C Church conservative has rejected many b/c they don't fit into the current agenda. That agenda is more-or-less Bill Bright's "evangelism is everything." I could go on why this is NOT true, but in short, the current conservative church is cutting off its nose to spite its face. Members want to evangelize, but not to make followers of Christ, but rather followers of themselves. Look like, talk like, act like Bill Bright, Dawson Trotman, or John McArthur. I like James Dobson alot, but he's got a bit of this streak in him too.

For the more open, accepting and liberal Christian churches, they have no substance to offer people. Their attendance is plummeting, and it happens each time a denomination changes to be more "open and inviting". They don't have firm beliefs, so in the end, they offer nothing of value to people.

Finally, the Church's rejection of "the secular" in lieu of the "sacred" (a distinction I don't believe is valid) has led to forgoing of most academic discpilines by Christians*. This in turn has opened the doors to post-modernism, where the modern teachings of the renaissance, including logic and sound reasoning, are dropped. Academia is no longer rigorous study, but rather a popularity contest, typically won by the most charming or the most iconoclastic.

Students trained in this environment are free to embrace Wicca, b/c they can mold it to their liking. Exactly what academia does with "knowledge".

*As examples, the Arts, both popular and fine, have been abandoned by mainstream Christianity. Music is one exception, but instead of excellence, churches argue over style. Science has been abandoned by many...evolution has been a key divider, but many "Christians" extol the notion that science is evil, and to be shunned by them. This of course is in contrast to Prov 25:2, among other scripture.
Christians are not encouraged even to be rigorous scholars, a great contrast to the reformation era. Anyone w/ time to study is rather told they should be helping in the church, teaching sunday school, or better yet, evangelizing!

Strangely, I agree with most (if not all) of what you said. Oddly enough, I lead a "small group" discipleship group. Why do we have that? Because we want to talk the talk and walk the walk. It's not about doing it because someone else says it is right, but doing it because it is what we are commanded to do. But that is a whole different topic.
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GrayBeard Wrote:Strangely, I agree with most (if not all) of what you said.

Strangely? Am I that big of a flake?
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I'm amazed by this thread. The cat thinks that Harry Potter shouldn't be allowed in his house. Big whoop. I don't allow UT Orange in my home because I'm the man of the ******* house and I make the rules. When my kids get to be 18, then they can control their lives. Until then I am the dictator, Lord, and being of my home.
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fsquid Wrote:I'm amazed by this thread. The cat thinks that Harry Potter shouldn't be allowed in his house. Big whoop. I don't allow UT Orange in my home

Who wants cat pee in their home anyway?
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GrayBeard Wrote:So, guys back to the question, why do you think that more an more children are turning to Wicca?
I'm having trouble agreeing with the premise. After extensive internet research (about 10 minutes), I can't find any references to this huge growth. I found a couple of estimates that there were a little over 400K Wiccans in 2004, about a third of the number of atheists and well down the list of religions in the US. Is there anyone without an agenda describing this phenomenon?
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Brookes Owl Wrote:
GrayBeard Wrote:So, guys back to the question, why do you think that more an more children are turning to Wicca?
I'm having trouble agreeing with the premise. After extensive internet research (about 10 minutes), I can't find any references to this huge growth. I found a couple of estimates that there were a little over 400K Wiccans in 2004, about a third of the number of atheists and well down the list of religions in the US. Is there anyone without an agenda describing this phenomenon?

I think they saw big growth in the 1990s. Maybe people are assuming it's continuing.
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DrTorch Wrote:
Brookes Owl Wrote:
GrayBeard Wrote:So, guys back to the question, why do you think that more an more children are turning to Wicca?
I'm having trouble agreeing with the premise. After extensive internet research (about 10 minutes), I can't find any references to this huge growth. I found a couple of estimates that there were a little over 400K Wiccans in 2004, about a third of the number of atheists and well down the list of religions in the US. Is there anyone without an agenda describing this phenomenon?

I think they saw big growth in the 1990s. Maybe people are assuming it's continuing.

Another question is....Has there really been that kind of growth, or is that more people are "coming out" so to speak.

I know that in Eastern NC, New Bern especially, there is a very large Wiccan presence, but they remained hidden, for the most part, for years.
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Whatever you do just don't allow your children to decorate a Christmas Tree. This tradition goes back to Pagan worship of the Sun God's as the evergreen symbolized the strength of the Sun God. Witch craft and Pagan worship are both frowned on by the Bible so tow the line my brother.
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DrTorch Wrote:
uhmump95 Wrote:
GrayBeard Wrote:Now as I said before, I was unable to determine the Biblical spin on LOTR, so I can't find out how it is God honoring.
In LOTR. IMO, Aragon symbolizes Jesus coming back to claim his kingdom.

Sorry, but Tolkein was emphatic that there was NO explicit symbolism (Christian or otherwise) in LOTR.

Just to add to that point, Jesus metaphors can be found in just about any fantasy fiction if they're intentional or not. I've seen LOTR connected from everything from Revelation to World War II.

Graybeard, I respect your right to run your household in whatever way you wish. I would encourage you to at least read a summary on the Potter books. I don't really make much of the prescense of magic in the games, as the main theme of the books is a boy overcoming the temptation and sometimes overwhelming prescense of evil. Sometimes you have to really look past the obvious exterior of these books to get the real message.

Then again I'm a guy who plays Final Fantasy and Legend of Zelda, so you probably won't trust my word on this. ;-)
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ShoreBuc Wrote:Whatever you do just don't allow your children to decorate a Christmas Tree. This tradition goes back to Pagan worship of the Sun God's as the evergreen symbolized the strength of the Sun God. Witch craft and Pagan worship are both frowned on by the Bible so tow the line my brother.

I'm pretty sure Easter has a lot of pagan roots as well
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