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The Tolerant are at it again..(Global Warming)...
Evidently, somebody at the Weather Channel thinks that Golbal Warming Skeptic Meteorologists should be de-certified. A meteorologist responds with this...

[quote]I have been in operational meteorology since 1978, and I know dozens and dozens of broadcast meteorologists all over the country. Our big job: look at a large volume of raw data and come up with a public weather forecast for the next seven days. I do not know of a single TV meteorologist who buys into the man-made global warming hype. I know there must be a few out there, but I can
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The drama continues...

Dr. Heidi Cullen defends her statements on Global Warming

If you don't read anything else, you have to read the reader comments. Many of them get it, while Dr. Cullen continues to spout her intolerance of other opinions while claiming to be tolerant.

lmfao

Here are a few comments that I liked....

Quote:Ms. Cullen: You are apparently not taking into consideration the short blurp on YOUR OWN WEATHER CHANNEL a few months ago that stated that we are at the end of a 22,000 year cycle at which time a new ICE AGE will be ushered in, and that sometimes, prior to this happening, a period of GLOBAL WARMING is experienced. WAKE UP and pay attention to what's on your own WEATHER CHANNEL, provided by SCIENTIFIC STUDY AND RESEARCH. And don't come to us whiningl when you're freezing your butt off and can't drive your car for all the thick ice and snow on the roads that won't melt in southern Arizona or Florida.


Janet | January 19, 2007

Quote:I'm in Michigan, it is 15.3 F out at the moment. What is so wrong with global warming?

Fwiw, I remember 1973 or 4 when the worry was global cooling. WTF?

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Anonymous | January 19, 2007

Quote:Dr. Cullen,
You said in your blog that your intent was not to silence those that are skeptical.

How else is your advocation of stripping broadcast meteorologists to be taken?

I am sure you know more than Professor RICHARD LINDZEN at MIT.

If you are reading this (anyone) take a look at the column available here.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008220

Please allow dissension before the facts are out there.

And when you can tell the weather more that a week in advance.


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This reminds me of Dogger posting about how bad Global Warming has become.........while he was at home on a snow day. lmfao
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RebelKev Wrote:This reminds me of Dogger posting about how bad Global Warming has become.........while he was at home on a snow day. lmfao
You guys aren't real bright are you? No one ever said it wouldn't get cold and snowy it just says the average world temp is rising. Go ahead and laugh at him but your grand children will have to deal with this mess if you guys keep not caring out of selfishness.
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RobertN Wrote:
RebelKev Wrote:This reminds me of Dogger posting about how bad Global Warming has become.........while he was at home on a snow day. lmfao
You guys aren't real bright are you? No one ever said it wouldn't get cold and snowy it just says the average world temp is rising. Go ahead and laugh at him but your grand children will have to deal with this mess if you guys keep not caring out of selfishness.

Let me ask you a couple of questions. Do you believe that there were Ice Ages in the past? Are we in an Ice Age now, or did the globe warm? If you said yes to the first question and "the globe warmed" to the second, what cause it?
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Yesterday, I caught the tail end of a debate on the radio brtween an advocate and and a skeptic of GW. The advocate was insisting that the skeptic should not only get off the air, but should be banned because "the science is proven" and the skeptic was just "denying the facts". At the end it came out that the advocate had a doctorate in Economics and the skeptic had a doctorate in Meteorology. Yet the economist was accusing the meteorologist of ignoring the science.
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OptimisticOwl Wrote:Yesterday, I caught the tail end of a debate on the radio brtween an advocate and and a skeptic of GW. The advocate was insisting that the skeptic should not only get off the air, but should be banned because "the science is proven" and the skeptic was just "denying the facts". At the end it came out that the advocate had a doctorate in Economics and the skeptic had a doctorate in Meteorology. Yet the economist was accusing the meteorologist of ignoring the science.

Well, I don't have a degree in either Economics or Meteorology, but I do know enough to look at those in the industry and realize that there is not a consensus among them, and the people pushing it are people like Algore who invented the internet but does not have a meteorolgy degree (at least I don't think he does). By the way, would you watch Algore as a weatherman? That would be boring.
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I was watching a travelogue of Britain, and they said that up to about 6500 years ago Britain was attached to Mainland Europe, but then a rise in sea levels made it into an island. Wonder what caused that rise in sea level? Camp fires? Atlantis sinking? If the wise men of that time had worried about it at all, they might have divined that it was caused by something like grazing the sheep on the wrong side of the hill. Anyone who disagreed would be dismissed as ignoring the science and denying the proof, or as a paid lackey of the landowner on the wrong side of the hill.

The Earth has done this before, many times. The last time we had global warming, about 900 AD, civilization was not advanced enough and the population of the Earth not big enough for it to an issue. People just moved their villages when the water got too close or too far away. Hard to do now.

But maybe we should, like before, adapt to the earth instead of looking for ways to make it adapt to us and our economic interests. Possibly, trying to stop GW is trying to stop a natural process of the earth. Is that really something we want to do. The natural cycles of the earth are economically inconvenient, let's change them?

If the temperature of the Earth had been stable for hundreds of thousands of years and then started risingin the last thrity, then I think we would have a problem - something, probably us, would have disturbed the equilibrium. But that is not the case.
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Well I'm no scientist, but I did take a few science/geology courses in college. I know that if it wasn't for greenhouse gasses, the earth would be so cold that no life could exist on it. Greenouse gasses are the only reason the planet is warm enough to support life. So if we continue to increase the amount of greenhouse gasses on the planet.....its going to keep getting warmer. Why are some people so threatened by the global warming theory??
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dwr0109 Wrote:Well I'm no scientist, but I did take a few science/geology courses in college. I know that if it wasn't for greenhouse gasses, the earth would be so cold that no life could exist on it. Greenouse gasses are the only reason the planet is warm enough to support life. So if we continue to increase the amount of greenhouse gasses on the planet.....its going to keep getting warmer. Why are some people so threatened by the global warming theory??

I don't think anyone is threatened by the global warming theory. It is more the other way. We keep being threatened with global warming, and the scientistst that track this stuff can't even agree on it.

I do find it funny that all of the global warming supporters are avoiding the fact that this lady said that those that didn't march in lock step with her should lose their certification. Also, nobody has even attempted to answer my questions above (re: iceage).
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Sorry none of the liberals have responded to you GB. RobertN had a chance but ingored it. Maybe you can get a response from Mach when he gets back to work. Until then, I will have to do.

Yes, I believe there were Ice Ages in the past, interspaced with warmer periods. Scientists call these period glaciations and interglaciations. I don't know what causes either one. Some theories include sunspot activity and changes in ocean currents. I don't profess to know the causes of prior or current trends, just that we have both warmed and cooled before, many times. I don't think the warming and/or cooling are disasters, any more than Summer or Winter is a disaster.
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GrayBeard Wrote:
RobertN Wrote:
RebelKev Wrote:This reminds me of Dogger posting about how bad Global Warming has become.........while he was at home on a snow day. lmfao
You guys aren't real bright are you? No one ever said it wouldn't get cold and snowy it just says the average world temp is rising. Go ahead and laugh at him but your grand children will have to deal with this mess if you guys keep not caring out of selfishness.

Let me ask you a couple of questions. Do you believe that there were Ice Ages in the past? Are we in an Ice Age now, or did the globe warm? If you said yes to the first question and "the globe warmed" to the second, what cause it?
Yes and I think that it is a combo of natural and the crap we are putting in the air is speeding it up.
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dwr0109 Wrote:Well I'm no scientist, but I did take a few science/geology courses in college. I know that if it wasn't for greenhouse gasses, the earth would be so cold that no life could exist on it. Greenouse gasses are the only reason the planet is warm enough to support life. So if we continue to increase the amount of greenhouse gasses on the planet.....its going to keep getting warmer. Why are some people so threatened by the global warming theory??
$$$$$$$
They are affraid that if companies have to add more environmental resrtictions it will hurt stock prices and their family "fortune". Much of it has to do with greed and the "me" first attitude. These people tend to not look at the future or if they do, they say, once we see a "real" link, we will start supporting it. Of course, by then it is too late to slow it. This argument is much like the Holocaust "issue" almost everyone believes it occured but there are still a few out there that believe it is all made up.

OO, lets hope you are right but the predictions are that the current along the East coast could change dramatically causing changes around the globe(it is the current bringing the warm water from the south to the NE). As mentioned, higher oceans. This could cause problems with densely populated coastal areas(ie. a larger scale New Orleans). Of course, these are just educated guesses and there will be no proof until/if they happen.
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When you have an expert like the lady from the Weather Channel speak on Global Warming it is case closed. lmfao lmfao

Dr. Cullen would be an interesting addition to our religion debates here in the Spin Room but I am not prepared to crown her the Queen of Global Warming knowledge.



http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53636
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ShoreBuc Wrote:When you have an expert like the lady from the Weather Channel speak on Global Warming it is case closed. lmfao lmfao

Dr. Cullen would be an interesting addition to our religion debates here in the Spin Room but I am not prepared to crown her the Queen of Global Warming knowledge.



http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53636
Yeah, she is just as reliable. Just seeing the banner along the top with mAnn Coultergeist, you just ruin any credibility you had. Then there is the "Hilary is Communist" t-shirt add. Also, the Christians be armed book(which many already are. Especially in the South(maybe he thinks if they do, the South will rise again. Yee-hah). Last but not least, the ad about the UN being the drath of Israel and the west and the book "Taking America Back". Yeah, that is certainly an unbiased site you have there. The sad thing is you think that it is "mainstream". Shows how out of touch the right is.
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RobertN Wrote:
dwr0109 Wrote:Well I'm no scientist, but I did take a few science/geology courses in college. I know that if it wasn't for greenhouse gasses, the earth would be so cold that no life could exist on it. Greenouse gasses are the only reason the planet is warm enough to support life. So if we continue to increase the amount of greenhouse gasses on the planet.....its going to keep getting warmer. Why are some people so threatened by the global warming theory??
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They are affraid that if companies have to add more environmental resrtictions it will hurt stock prices and their family "fortune". Much of it has to do with greed and the "me" first attitude. These people tend to not look at the future or if they do, they say, once we see a "real" link, we will start supporting it. Of course, by then it is too late to slow it. This argument is much like the Holocaust "issue" almost everyone believes it occured but there are still a few out there that believe it is all made up.

If you would take a little time and open your mind up and listen to what the opposition is saying, you would realize that most of what you wrote is actually far from the truth. Most people don't fit the stereotypes that you constantly sling around. I don't support pollution, but I don't support global warming either. Don't you find it odd that if global warming was so factually and scietifically proven that there is not a consensus about it among the industry that watches and predicts the climate? Is greed the motivator with some people? Of course, but I would expect that is the minority of opinions.

I am proud of you for actually typing more than your usual one line of flaming insults to those that you don't agree with, but really, comparing the Holcaust with Global Warming was a stretch that most thinking people wouldn't even attempt. 01-wingedeagle
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Has nothing to do with global warming. It's a liberal vs. conservative debate. Ask yourself why China was exempted from the damn Kyoto Treaty, but we were supposed to be binded by it. China produces FAR more pollution than the US.

This is brought to you by success-hating liberals backed by the far left in this world.
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RobertN Wrote:OO, lets hope you are right but the predictions are that the current along the East coast could change dramatically causing changes around the globe(it is the current bringing the warm water from the south to the NE). As mentioned, higher oceans. This could cause problems with densely populated coastal areas(ie. a larger scale New Orleans). Of course, these are just educated guesses and there will be no proof until/if they happen.

This is not a problem with or of the earth. It is a problem of people and their belongings. It is the first time that naturally occurring fluctuations in the environment have impacted a population of this size, that's all. I question if trying to force the earth from its natural cycles is the best response. I am surprised that you are blaming the Republicans. It is, after all, the moneyed interests that stand to lose the most if the oceans rise - their billions in investments in prt facilities that may be underwater or a mile from shore, their millions invested in oceanfront property that may be inundated with a rise in seas level.

Yes there are polar bears and walruses faced with loss of habitat, just as there 1100 years ago the last time we had a general global warming. and in 100 years or so, when we enter a cooling phase, there will be deer and lizards facing problems with the changes in their habitat, and there will be people upset at their economic losses due to the sealevel falling.

there used to be a ad on TV that said "IT'S NOT NICE to fool Mother nature!!!". Maybe it is not a good thing to interfere with the natural cycles of the earth. We cannot make the earth stay at today's tenperatures forever, and even if we could, should we?

Ad can we is another question? We could implement all the laws you want here, but without China and India on board, it is kind of like designating three tables in a restaurant as non-smoking and then bragging about how there is 5% less smoke in the air of the entire restaurant.
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OptimisticOwl Wrote:
RobertN Wrote:OO, lets hope you are right but the predictions are that the current along the East coast could change dramatically causing changes around the globe(it is the current bringing the warm water from the south to the NE). As mentioned, higher oceans. This could cause problems with densely populated coastal areas(ie. a larger scale New Orleans). Of course, these are just educated guesses and there will be no proof until/if they happen.

This is not a problem with or of the earth. It is a problem of people and their belongings. It is the first time that naturally occurring fluctuations in the environment have impacted a population of this size, that's all. I question if trying to force the earth from its natural cycles is the best response. I am surprised that you are blaming the Republicans. It is, after all, the moneyed interests that stand to lose the most if the oceans rise - their billions in investments in prt facilities that may be underwater or a mile from shore, their millions invested in oceanfront property that may be inundated with a rise in seas level.

Yes there are polar bears and walruses faced with loss of habitat, just as there 1100 years ago the last time we had a general global warming. and in 100 years or so, when we enter a cooling phase, there will be deer and lizards facing problems with the changes in their habitat, and there will be people upset at their economic losses due to the sealevel falling.

there used to be a ad on TV that said "IT'S NOT NICE to fool Mother nature!!!". Maybe it is not a good thing to interfere with the natural cycles of the earth. We cannot make the earth stay at today's tenperatures forever, and even if we could, should we?

Ad can we is another question? We could implement all the laws you want here, but without China and India on board, it is kind of like designating three tables in a restaurant as non-smoking and then bragging about how there is 5% less smoke in the air of the entire restaurant.
Hey, I believe global warming is partly natural. I just believe our "fooling with mother nature"(ie. pollution) is speeding the process up. I don't think we can stop it just try to minimize or at least put off the worst effects for a decade or 2. If it isn't partly the pollution that is causing it like you believe, shouldn't we try to limit anyway? It causes or speeds up diseases like asthma and other breathing related diseases. As for China, believe me, I would REALLY like to see them make progress towards cleaning up their pollution. I think the weathier the population gets, the more they will want it cleaned up. Unfortunately, that may be too late by then but I hope it is sooner than later.
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