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SilverSpring_JuniorTerp · 08-09-2002 09:58 PM

this is regarding any promotion of nukes used in
today's modern world.

The good thing about the US today is that we don't have to use nukes. If our government has the power and knowledge to produce a nuke, surely we have the knowledge to coordinate non-nuclear attacks and operations against enemy governments?

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apocalypse dude · 08-09-2002 11:11 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Yawhooos:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Liquid Karma:
Anyone else here think we wouldn't have people attacking the US if we had been a little less discriminate with our use of nukes over the past couple decades?<hr /></blockquote>WE HAVE BEEN ATTACKED REMEMBER 9/11

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NEVER FORGET !!!!<hr /></blockquote>Congrats on a rediculous response to an inane post!

Rt1Rebel · 08-09-2002 11:31 PM

All war is ugly business and it is the absolute worst of human behavior. I watched a documentary on the History Channel about a terrible WWII battle for a south pacific island where our marines literally had to flame the unsurrendering japenese dead in their caves. After months of heavy casualties, on of the last remaining enemy soldiers fell forth from a flamed out cave clutching pictures of his family as he died. Our own marines, who were fighting for months to kill these guys, were absolutely crushed. The point is, a few of us make these wars, the rest of us have to deal with the consequences.

The decision to drop two bombs was the best choice to be made, that does not mean it's something to be proud about. But as a result, our nuclear strength has probably save millions of lives so far. No one would dare anything against us for 50 years.

But now there is a new version of war, and it's aimed strictly at the public. Al Quada and Palestine are getting good at it too. Now we must adapt and preempt. Again, preemption will save lives, but it might seem costly at first. Costly if anyone doesn't remember that 50 million lives are easily lost in a world war.

JD Heel · 08-09-2002 11:46 PM

Well said, Rt1!

-JD

SilverSpring_JuniorTerp · 08-09-2002 11:57 PM

very well said! <img border="0" alt="[goldie]" title="" src="graemlins/goldie.gif" />

nate jonesacc · 08-10-2002 12:10 AM

Agreed, Rt1, except that Israel is also targeting the public in the Middle East, it's just that the suicide bombs get more publicity and sound much worse than Isreali soldiers holding siege on a palistinean christian church and then killing almost all of the people inside.

apocalypse dude · 08-10-2002 12:16 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by nate jonesacc:
Agreed, Rt1, except that Israel is also targeting the public in the Middle East, it's just that the suicide bombs get more publicity and sound much worse than Isreali soldiers holding siege on a palistinean christian church and then killing almost all of the people inside.<hr /></blockquote>I would agree that the palestinian public gets affected by Israeli operations. I do not believe that Israel purposefully attacks civilians however. Seems that is the intent of the suicide bombers.

Rt1Rebel · 08-10-2002 12:29 AM

Nate, Target and Control are two different intents. I agree that Israeli action to control Palistine aggressions have a severe impact on the lives of many innocent Palestinians, but it's a rough neighborhood. If Isreal really wanted to obliterate the Palestine population, they could do it in a day or two. Instead of begging mercy from the people that they are trying to drive from the planet, why don't the Palestinians beg mercy from their own? The Jordanians? The Saudis? the ones who really supposedly sympathize with their plight and own their true homeland? Because they won't get jack **** from them! The Palestinians are convenient sacrificial pawns to their brothers who use them to kill themselves for a cause that the rest of those cowards don't have the fortitude to carry out.

And for the record, the Isrealis could take on all of those thugs put together in a war and kick their asses. It makes the dealings with those Palestinians a public relations game in front of the rest of the world really. And as long as those fools keep blowing themselves up, they aren't gaining many fans.

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nate jonesacc · 08-10-2002 07:34 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by apocalypse dude:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by nate jonesacc:
Agreed, Rt1, except that Israel is also targeting the public in the Middle East, it's just that the suicide bombs get more publicity and sound much worse than Isreali soldiers holding siege on a palistinean christian church and then killing almost all of the people inside.<hr /></blockquote>I do not believe that Israel purposefully attacks civilians however. <hr /></blockquote>My grandmother is pretty active in the whole middle East deal. In fact, she is here right now, and I just talked to her about it over dinner. She told me she personally knows 4 people who were innocent civilians who were shot in cold blood, in the past year. Israeli soldiers do kill innocent civilians, but there are reasons we don't hear about them on the news everyday.
a) they aren't high impact attack like the suicide bombings.
b) Our INCREDIBLY strong ties with Israel.

Also, the israeli soldiers do so many indirect things to screw up innocent palistineans' lives. Creating settlements on the gaza strip... Shooting down the water tanks on top of the palistineans houses... giving the palistineans little to no water while they have swimming pools, sprinklers for their grass, etc....

I have seen parts of bombs from the middle east that Israel has used, and guess what they all say on them? Made in U.S.A. We give the Israelis fuel to add to the fire, and rougly 4-5 billion dollars A YEAR. Meanwhile, the palistineans bring in about 500 US dollars a year, while an average Israeli brings in 19,000/year. Most of this is because of our role in the affair.

Suicide bombings are terrible. I wish none of that took place. Arafat is, in general, a bad leader, but... How else do you expect the palistineans to defend themselves? They get no support from us, no support from anyone outside of the situation, and have very few weapons. I would rather there not be suicide bombings, but I would also rather Israel to stop all the ****ing persecution.

nate jonesacc · 08-10-2002 07:37 PM

They are never gonna get many fans, RT1. Ya know why? Because Israel and the USA are tight as can be. We fund them everything they have.

Also, they have begged for mercy. Arafat and his regime have been stuck up ********, and unfortunately, the majority of his people wont rise up and dethrone him because there are tons and tons of palistineans who want peace, and want to stop all the suicide bombings.

Jenibu · 08-10-2002 08:06 PM

Let me just say that I have only read the second page of this thread, and my post only pertains to that.

The media is lacking in reporting all the things the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians, while even elementary schoolers in America know about suicide bombings. This is because the government doesn't want to make Israel look bad- they're suppose to be the "good guys" in the view of the American public, when really, they are just the opposite. We do this because the rich, Jewish-Americans give big $$ to politicians, and of course the politicians don't want to lose their main moolah. That's why the majority of the American public thinks that Palestine is fully responsible for this whole situation, which is untrue. Yes the suicide bombings are horrible and shouldn't take place, but neither should the unheard things that happen to the Palestinians. They both have responsibility for their problem.

apocalypse dude · 08-10-2002 11:25 PM

I don't think anyone is saying that Israel is innocent. They are far from innocent. However, it is obvious, as Rt1 has pointed out, that they are not trying to maximize civilian deaths. This is precisely what the Palestinians suicide bombers are doing.

The motivation for the suicide bombings is another discussion entirely. Do the Palestinian people have some legitimate complaints? Absolutely! Is suicide bombing their only recourse? Absolutely not.

And any talk about some jewish media conspiracy is absolutely rediculous. Frankly, its insulting. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad-flaming.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad-flaming.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad-flaming.gif" /> Do me a favor and read the papers. The NY Times ran numerous human interest stories on the palestians which conveyed their plight. As a matter of fact, many jewish people have boycotted the paper because they felt it was biased towards the palestinians. In case you haven't heard of it, the New York Times is a m major american publication. And probably is at or near the lead in "jewish media conspiracy" accusations. I'm tired of hearing this garbage.

apocalypse dude · 08-10-2002 11:26 PM

I'd also like to point out that the US has a free press.

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