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Various news clips found 'round the net today...

A couple of reasons out of many of why I sympathise with libertarian thought:

Eminent domain abuse has quietly been spreading around this country recently, with little attention being made to it in the media (aside from Boortz). Hope this CBS News story shines more of spotlight on it. Homes are being taken not for police stations... they are taken over for businesses and condos that can provide a higher tax base.

<a href='http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/26/60minutes/main575343.shtml' target='_blank'>Property Grabbing</a>

And with other problems in the world going on, the Federal Government is bravely saving the US from imported cheap shrimp. So much for George "Free Trade" Bush.

<a href='http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=%2Fafp%2Fus_trade_shrimp' target='_blank'>Another Tariff</a>

And this one is kind of funny... Michigan democrats are throwing a fit that the GOP is helping Ralph Nader collect enough signatures to land on the state voting ballot. :laugh:

<a href='http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews/pm20589_20040708.htm' target='_blank'>Dems fuming</a>
07-08-2004 10:34 PM
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Quote:And this one is kind of funny... Michigan democrats are throwing a fit that the GOP is helping Ralph Nader collect enough signatures to land on the state voting ballot.&nbsp;

I admit it: That does strike me as utterly lacking in principle, if not outright dirty.

Kind of like the Texas Congressional redistricting.
07-08-2004 10:46 PM
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Schad, Dems do it all the time. They did it here in Georgia, with the redistricting. It's politics and NO party can claim innocence. Do you not think that Perot got financial support from Democrats?
07-08-2004 11:01 PM
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Quote:And this one is kind of funny... Michigan democrats are throwing a fit that the GOP is helping Ralph Nader collect enough signatures to land on the state voting ballot. 

I admit it: That does strike me as utterly lacking in principle, if not outright dirty.

Kind of like the Texas Congressional redistricting.
It's pretty slick, I'll say that. But it's unfortunate that the idea of getting serious candidates on a voting ballot is viewed as "dirty" (whatever the motive for doing so may be). I don't mean to imply that every Joe Q. Schmo that would find it amusing to run for president should be put on a ballot. But why not have several third-parties on every ballot, in every state?
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Shrimp link is broke.
07-09-2004 06:54 AM
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RebelKev Wrote:Schad, Dems do it all the time. They did it here in Georgia, with the redistricting.
When did the Georgians do it?

Traditionally, redistricting is done every ten years when the Census comes out.

The issue in Texas was that redistricting had just been completed. When Republicans assumed control of the state legislature, they immediately wanted to redraw the map again.

That was highly unusual, if not completely unprecedented. It was legal -- but a new trick, and a highly partisan break with tradition.

Republicans then did the same thing in Colorado..

Look, highly partisan maps happen all the time. They've grown more sophisticated each decade with the advancement of computers. And it probably isn't a good thing. It means a great deal of uncompetitive legislative districts and tends to push the candidates that win away from the center. .

But that wasn't the issue in Texas. The issue in Texas was the timing.
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Motown Bronco Wrote:It's pretty slick, I'll say that. But it's unfortunate that the idea of getting serious candidates on a voting ballot is viewed as "dirty" (whatever the motive for doing so may be). I don't mean to imply that every Joe Q. Schmo that would find it amusing to run for president should be put on a ballot. But why not have several third-parties on every ballot, in every state?
Advocates of third and fourth and fifth parties are right to moan about the way the two major parties have created systems to make it more difficult for them to get on the ballot -- although it is my sense that America is a two-party nation for deeply fundamental reasons that go way beyond the number of signatures needed to get on ballots, the definition of major and minor party status and that sort of thing.

But for Republicans to go around putting Nader on the ballot in state after state -- and it's happening all over the place -- is a sick joke. It is utterly without principle.

(Can you imagine if Democrats found some guy name John McCain and started putting him on ballots in state after state?)

Thankfully, I'm not sure it's going to work. Nader will be much less of a factor this year.
07-09-2004 08:08 AM
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Schadenfreude Wrote:
RebelKev Wrote:Schad, Dems do it all the time. They did it here in Georgia, with the redistricting.
When did the Georgians do it?

Traditionally, redistricting is done every ten years when the Census comes out.

The issue in Texas was that redistricting had just been completed. When Republicans assumed control of the state legislature, they immediately wanted to redraw the map again.

That was highly unusual, if not completely unprecedented. It was legal -- but a new trick, and a highly partisan break with tradition.

Republicans then did the same thing in Colorado..

Look, highly partisan maps happen all the time. They've grown more sophisticated each decade with the advancement of computers. And it probably isn't a good thing. It means a great deal of uncompetitive legislative districts and tends to push the candidates that win away from the center. .

But that wasn't the issue in Texas. The issue in Texas was the timing.
Couple of years ago. It was also about timing. The Supreme Court overruled them.
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Schadenfreude Wrote:I admit it: That does strike me as utterly lacking in principle, if not outright dirty.

Kind of like the Texas Congressional redistricting.
Um, while you are throwing those stones, you should check out the NC congressional redistricting fiasco.
07-09-2004 08:48 AM
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Motown Bronco Wrote:And with other problems in the world going on, the Federal Government is bravely saving the US from imported cheap shrimp.&nbsp; So much for George "Free Trade" Bush.

<a href='http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=%2Fafp%2Fus_trade_shrimp' target='_blank'>Another Tariff</a>
actually this helps americam shrimpers in the gulf coast, and that imported shrimp from vietnam & china is pond raised,like the vietnam catfish, and turd fed, id rather have mississipi shrimp & catfish than some commy turd eatin cats or shrimp
07-16-2004 11:10 AM
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safetyeagle Wrote:
Motown Bronco Wrote:And with other problems in the world going on, the Federal Government is bravely saving the US from imported cheap shrimp.  So much for George "Free Trade" Bush.

<a href='http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=%2Fafp%2Fus_trade_shrimp' target='_blank'>Another Tariff</a>
actually this helps americam shrimpers in the gulf coast, and that imported shrimp from vietnam & china is pond raised,like the vietnam catfish, and turd fed, id rather have mississipi shrimp & catfish than some commy turd eatin cats or shrimp
If what you're saying is true, then it additionally proves the point that there's no need for the tariff. I'd choose the Gulf shrimp too. Consumers in general would be more willing to spend the couple extra bucks on "good" Domestic shrimp as opposed to the crappy (pun intended) Vietnamese shrimp. And for those who happen to be on a tight budget, maybe they'd be willing to buy the lower-quality dirt-cheap import shrimp. In other words, the market should work itself out in this case, and the tariffs forgotten.
07-17-2004 08:33 AM
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Motown Bronco Wrote:
safetyeagle Wrote:
Motown Bronco Wrote:And with other problems in the world going on, the Federal Government is bravely saving the US from imported cheap shrimp.  So much for George "Free Trade" Bush.

<a href='http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=%2Fafp%2Fus_trade_shrimp' target='_blank'>Another Tariff</a>
actually this helps americam shrimpers in the gulf coast, and that imported shrimp from vietnam & china is pond raised,like the vietnam catfish, and turd fed, id rather have mississipi shrimp & catfish than some commy turd eatin cats or shrimp
If what you're saying is true, then it additionally proves the point that there's no need for the tariff. I'd choose the Gulf shrimp too. Consumers in general would be more willing to spend the couple extra bucks on "good" Domestic shrimp as opposed to the crappy (pun intended) Vietnamese shrimp. And for those who happen to be on a tight budget, maybe they'd be willing to buy the lower-quality dirt-cheap import shrimp. In other words, the market should work itself out in this case, and the tariffs forgotten.
Good point. I am also somewhat against tariffs. On the other hand, I think it's the job of the FDA, who should fall under a few aspects of the regulation of interstate commerce, to force businesses to state where their product came from. I saw a report the other day that states people are getting fooled when they buy Red Snapper as much as 70% of the time. The reports stated that most of the Snapper is actually Atlantic Vermillion Snapper, not it's more tasteful cousin, the Red Snapper that is indigenous to the warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico. If I had my choice, I.e. Vietnamese Catfish- $1.49 Lb., Belzoni, Mississippi Farm-Raised Catfish- $2.19 Lb., I'm sticking with the fish from Belzoni.
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RebelKev Wrote:If I had my choice, I.e. Vietnamese Catfish- $1.49 Lb., Belzoni, Mississippi Farm-Raised Catfish- $2.19 Lb., I'm sticking with the fish from Belzoni.
even though im not a catfish farmer but live in catfish farmin area(pass ponds on the way to work every morning) i would like to thank you for supporting MS products even though you live in GA.
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GrayBeard Wrote:
Schadenfreude Wrote:I admit it: That does strike me as utterly lacking in principle, if not outright dirty.

Kind of like the Texas Congressional redistricting.
Um, while you are throwing those stones, you should check out the NC congressional redistricting fiasco.
Politics as usual.........

Both parties trying to get the upper hand.

What else is new in NC?
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safetyeagle Wrote:
RebelKev Wrote:If I had my choice, I.e. Vietnamese Catfish- $1.49 Lb., Belzoni, Mississippi Farm-Raised Catfish- $2.19 Lb., I'm sticking with the fish from Belzoni.
even though im not a catfish farmer but live in catfish farmin area(pass ponds on the way to work every morning) i would like to thank you for supporting MS products even though you live in GA.
I lived in Byram, Ms. until 19. ALL of my family still lives in Byram, Madison, Jackson, Drew, Ruleville, etc. I was the only one smart enough to get off the sinking ship. :laugh:

I love Mississippi. I HATE, however, the politics.
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Kind of like passing out cigarettes to the homeless in exchange for Gore votes in Milwaukee like Kerry backer Connie Milstein?

I freely admit there are scumbags in the Republican Party doing dirtywork...which is why I generally refrain from pointing out the exact same thing on the Democratic side. You can't let ideology blind you from what's going on in either of these parties.
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RebelKev Wrote:I lived in Byram, Ms. until 19. ALL of my family still lives in Byram, Madison, Jackson, Drew, Ruleville, etc. I was the only one smart enough to get off the sinking ship. :laugh:

I love Mississippi. I HATE, however, the politics.
I m not far from drew or ruleville, and yes the politics suck, but with our new gov it might get better.......or not

hey women still cant vote according to our constitution
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